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Old 07-28-2010, 04:08 AM   #1
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3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Partly inspired by PrimordialAA's challenge thread on BBV, I've decided to really make myself play a lot of HUsng's and have a positive ROI seperate from bonus/rb cleared. I understand this is not even in the same universe of difficulty as his challenge, and there are probably thousands already doing it... This is a personal challenge, I'm going to be playing my weakest game.

While it might not sound like much after doing all the math I feel this goal will be pretty tough for me. I'm planning on starting at the lower 6.25 turbo's on stars (rake reasons) and continue on up, as long as I have 40-50 BI's in account. For tilt reasons I find a larger # of buy-ins to be better.

I was a winning limit player fr, somewhat of a bonus whore on a lot of sites, but I just lost all feeling for poker, till about a year ago where I started back up and re-read and studied so much. I find I study/review more than I play though and I just need a real push to put in volume, while constantly trying to play (hell just develop) an A game in HU.

I'll do my best to post updates on a semi-daily or daily basis, and attempt 20 sng's a day depending on conditions of mental state. Still studying a ton and reading everything I can HU at this moment.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:15 AM   #2
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Sub goal #1 : set up non crappy HUD for PT3, reading manual now.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:37 AM   #3
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

try playing husngs without a hud mate, this isnt hu-cash

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oh and you are more than welcome in the hu subforum https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/ to ask questions (begginers thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...thread-257336/ ) or post hands or whatever
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:59 AM   #4
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Cheers Freakg, ty for invite I have lurked there a long time, reading :-).

I like a few stats on hud just to remind me as match gets a bit deeper, and for future matches vs same person. I'll post a image as I figure it out. Doesn't look too bad.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:10 AM   #5
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.



One thing I look for sorta early is how many hands they're playing oop , that's the colored stat. if they're playing a ton of hands oop calling and not 3betting this number gets green, if they're nitty and playing almost only in position it gets red.

so basically it's straight forward, the FB is fold bb, if it's 33 for this person they're playing oop 67 % of hands the last line is turn/foldturn so a look at double barrels.

I think a lot of this is useless first time you play someone but if you keep seeing them it's nice to have a bit of a background?

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Old 07-28-2010, 05:54 AM   #6
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Good luck sir. The stat seems like a good idea to me, but take that with a grain of salt because i'm a fish.
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:21 AM   #7
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

First 25 done (some done yesterday after I started thinking about doing this, but before post)

I'm feeling good, but got in trouble twice with top pair, weak kicker. I'm honestly losing 3/4's of flips which has cost me at a few but sample size of course is so small. A few maniac's, spewy lag's and I'm fine vs them, I feel the TAG's are my worst enemy right now.

15-10, 15.2% roi Feel gutted about a few of the suckouts, going to call it for now, regroup and study some more about ranges... so much easier to put people on a range in 6max/fr for me, position, vpip, pfr, I had it down pretty well... I'm treading water here, don't like feeling, probably why I sucked at cash HU.

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Old 07-28-2010, 09:21 AM   #8
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

problems with hud is that it doesnt take into account blindlevel/stacksizes but anyway if it works for you dont change it, just dont start basing your play solely on huds/stats and youll be fine

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Old 07-28-2010, 11:58 AM   #9
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

lol 3% should be pretty ez at turbos, esp. at low stakes. good luck OP, hope you meet your volume goal
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:26 PM   #10
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Good point Freakg, I've read about Mzone, maybe I'll set something up like that, I just see stacks to bb sorta by nature and adjust as they get lower. I think my call range vs shoves when they're getting low is a bit too tight right now.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:27 PM   #11
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

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lol 3% should be pretty ez at turbos, esp. at low stakes. good luck OP, hope you meet your volume goal

Well I'm not a winning HU player by any means. lol. So like I said, there are probably 1000's doing this already, I hope to join them, and suck less, and maybe be able to move up eventually. :-) About to start session today after I fix a few comp problems.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:48 PM   #12
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

One of the most frustrating situations I'm having is this :

I get up early with a pretty strong lead, say 2100/900 and I raise in position with something like 10/j suited and other person shoves... I lay it down (only cost 60, as I'm usually raising the first level to 3x bb, is that ok?) anyway unless I have really strong hand I feel I'm giving these up too easily and I'd rather just see a flop, but if I limp I get shoved over. Basically I'm having trouble playing with people who when down 1:2 they just play shove/fold I wait mostly for good hands, and I'm ok, but as blinds increase I feel too nitty.

Also encountering a ton of people who like to limp pre, which is fine for me, as I'm oop, and get to see if I hit, but I'm wondering if I should check my good hands as well as bad to disguise the strength and because I'm oop?


One other thing and I'd really appreciate any comments on this, I sorta mentioned it earlier. Putting people on a range in HU seems so hard for me compared to fr/6max, where do I even start?
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:00 PM   #13
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Sometimes I feel determined to build a time machine... not to save some political/spiritual/rapper of the past... no... simply to see if my mom dropped my on my head... I just need that confirmation, so when I think things like "My 4's are good" I can more confidently say "yes my mother dropped me on my head"

playing well I think only lost one in the first 6, but I threw the game away so badly vs a tag nit that that time machine comment needed to be posted.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:41 PM   #14
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

You need to not be so hard on yourself in my opinion. You won 5/6, we all make mistakes. The update you said you were treading water and getting sucked out on, yet you posted you had a 15.6% ROI. Stop thinking only about the bad.
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:06 PM   #15
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

lost 7 straight after, got so tilted in 2, where I was all in with kk vs a/5 and lost , then qq vs jj and lost, rinse repeat.

run bad, plus tilt is not fun. will post more results later tonight when I'm done, tanking badly right now.
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Old 07-29-2010, 12:29 AM   #16
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Ok I'm more proud of my comeback after supertilt, and sorta owe it to coaching forum here where someone else was posting about spazzing out and someone replied... graph first then round up.

30wins 20 loss 15.2 % ROI

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Old 07-29-2010, 12:36 AM   #17
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

So after ending well last night I went on a mini heater and would have won another game if it wasn't for one bad decision.

Then I play a game vs super spew, looking back I should have just stopped after this game but I tilted and kept playing... Just awful in terms of dominating him on two hands and losing, losing pair vs pair battles, ect... this leads to a lot of bad decisions

The biggest thing I did note, and learn from however, was "the next guy is not the last guy" so obvious, but I can't play take emotions/actions from one game into the next.

So tilt was mostly a 2-3 game thing, then I just got unlucky, tp tk vs a set that hits on turn, ect.. I'm sure I didn't play perfect, so tonight after two giant cans of beer and maybe a Delirium tremens I'll just replay hands.

One other cool thing to note... I played someone who usually wins at 110's but for whatever reason was down at my lvl, not sure if he was making a video (sorta likely) or was just coaching someone but it was fun to play, inbetween lag/tag style, he had good reads on me, and made interesting bets that forced me to think. It was even going into 75/150 limit and I semi-bluffed at wrong time, open ended draw vs his top pair and lost. Was a lesson for free though, so I appreciated it :-).

Thanks for words and good advice ATM. Cheers to anyone else who hops into thread.
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Old 07-29-2010, 10:34 PM   #18
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

8-2 today, I really felt I played well, bet sizing, I only had time for 10 games, so up to 60.

38-22 ROI% 21.60

Should play more, but I really want to drink after a stressful day haha, cheers :-)

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Old 07-31-2010, 05:54 AM   #19
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Still doing well, got really tired, and made some mistakes in last three games which everyone cost me.

Noticed people sitting other tables around me so I'm having to join random people, didn't think people would game select at this low of a stake. Also I'm noticing a lot of people who reg play like 55+ coming down, doing ok vs them but it's a much harder grind.

Up around 80 games, need to up volume one day. Helped two people move today so I'm shot to ****. Will post update near 100. pz
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Old 08-01-2010, 01:16 AM   #20
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

How can I edit the title of this thread?

Anyway first 100 down, feel like I'm getting it. My luck ev shows I'm actually running way below EV which I sorta though, but my roi is still solid. Maybe after another 100 I'll move up we'll see.

Totals 62-38 ROI % 19.04
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Old 08-01-2010, 01:20 AM   #21
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

sorta wish I had a coach, anyway here is graph , doesn't look like a lot of interest in this thread, so I might just let it die or post only every 250 or something. take it ez.

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Old 08-01-2010, 07:28 AM   #22
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

keep updating. Some people read but just dont reply. Most threads here seem to die out and nobody finishes their goals.
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Old 08-01-2010, 08:10 AM   #23
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

agree with this man, keep doing it!
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Old 08-01-2010, 12:28 PM   #24
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

good job so far OP, where did you first learn HUsng?
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Old 08-01-2010, 02:46 PM   #25
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Re: 3% ROI in 2,000 or more HUsng's... my weakest game.

Yeah, don't stop updating. Just because we lurk doesn't mean we aren't interested.
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