Hey man.

fellow 100z grinder here, sometimes shotting higher

Any thoughts on the pre call and river check by baron here? pre seems bad :S
river puzzled me


Poker Stars $50/$100 No Limit Hold'em $20 Ante - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

fish2013 (BTN): $9408.03
ICEMAN2710 (SB): $27209.48
1nvoker (BB): $24487.63
OtB_RedBaron (UTG): $36851.74
ltt1981 (MP): $22395.87
antoha1998 (CO): $17661.28

Pre Flop: ($270.00)
OtB_RedBaron raises to $244.30, 2 folds, fish2013 raises to $800, 2 folds, OtB_RedBaron calls $555.70

Flop: ($1870.00) 7 6 A (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron checks, fish2013 checks

Turn: ($1870.00) T (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron bets $1995.55, fish2013 calls $1995.55

River: ($5861.10) 9 (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron checks, fish2013 bets $2986.61, OtB_RedBaron raises to $19192.77, fish2013 calls $3605.87 all in

Final Pot: $19046.06
fish2013 shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
OtB_RedBaron shows 4 5 (a flush, Ten high)
OtB_RedBaron wins $19041.06
(Rake: $5.00)



gl with the grind

Haha, do you really expect him to critique the best 6m nlh player of all time?




GL mate, will be following

As Ishter says... This is gonna be pretty high level stuff but I'll try my best...

Pre the open seems fine albeit slightly loose, but OTB is the best and from a gto pov probably wants this hand in his range for board coverage purposes.

Calling the 3 bet also seems pretty loose, but fish isn't sitting full stacked and could be the spot in this game, so I guess that means we wanna take some more -EV spots pre.

The turn seems pretty standard.

The river I think is also kinda standard, fish is gonna get to this river with straight draws (Kq/KJ/QJ), sets, flushes, an occasional 2 pair, actual straights with 78 type stuff.

OTB is always going broke in this spot with a flush if our opponent has a better holding, checking allows us to induce bluffs and allow our opponent to overplay his sets and straights and therefore is better than betting ourselves.

Yeah I dont expect anyone to berate Baron. But we can analyze his play and even question it sometimes if we dont agree ofc. Even great players make too loose/slightly bad plays sometimes (Im not saying he did, just wondering)*

About fish I dont think he would be the spot, sometimes this guys are not auto refilling, Baron was playing with 85-95 bbs for a while at another table too. And fish was playing every table and from what I know he is one of the good regs right?

Anyways. Pre Open seems a bit lose but given that there are 3 deep stacks left to act and one of them is a recreational (illt1981 -from what I figured he was the spot- ) it seems fine. The 3bet call specially vs that stacksize with this particular hand seems just -ev imo. If you run it in a sim Im pretty sure its a 100% fold hand, anyways maybe he is calling it 1/16 of the time and this was it.

Flop and turn obv fine. River is puzzling me a bit tho, I guess its a mixed strat and he used c/r this time. I would assume its a good spot to overbet. I dont really think fish has QK KJ QJ in this spot at all after turn overbet, except for those of clubs (and thats obv a higher flush). Straights are calling an overbet shove too, I guess some also, and I dont really see naked bluffs in fish's range.

I guess he assumes fish might have some Ax that will bet and not call a shove? but then those Ax should bet semi small/fold to shove, and in Baron's shoes u can still bet that ammount urself.

I dont know, I find it a weird c/r.

But just love watching this guy play

GL with the grind man.

Is your sn outed? If not wanna share by pm? ill share mine 2.

You should ask your agent for some money back, that condo goes for 9-10k

16k gets you an upper scale 1br

Yeah I think it's in the Gyazo's I posted 'g-i-n-g-e37' feel free to lmk yours

I agree its not super amazing, but location wise its great for me, right by a bts and with people i wanna study with. This is one of the cheaper prices right by a bts.

In about 8 months when all our contracts are up, hoping to get a joint place and then won;t need to be nearer at bts and can get a nice penthouse for the same price.

I meant for this exact apartment you are overpaying, there's most likely 30-40 more condos that have been for rent in your building for a year+ with no interest.

If you can't deal to the fair price yourself, just find a regular thai person(preferably male) to deal with you and give them 300b if they lower the price by a few k

Don't let the scums win at their overpricing game next time.

Not your fault obviously, as a newbie you can't really know what kind of prices you should get.

Hey Richard, nice thread! I would be interested in hearing how you and Jason met. What is Jason like in person, is he a sick baller?

How long do you think it will take for you to get on the same level or even surpass him?

Thailand sounds awesome.

Maybe this just wasn't worded the best but we should never be taking a -ev spot.

If you mean that you need to play wider vs a weaker player bc the game may break around him then the argument is for thinner spots being more valuable, but every decision should still be +ev.

if were betting 45cc otr then were betting all of our flushes, im guessing he just wanted to protect his checking range and put some strong hands in there, to balance the times when he shows up w 2 pairs

He is currently mad at me for mentioning his name in the thread (So i'm gonna hold fire on any more details just yet)... and wants me to edit his name out of everything and if i can't he wants me to delete the thread...

I was going to but I lost a ridiculous bet to him earlier, where I bet $200 that i started taking poker seriously in Nov 2016 and that prior to that I had a job. i got the years confused as obviously nov 2016 hasn't happened yet and I meant 2015... I'm so dumb. So now if he wants me delete/edit it'll cost him $200

Lol'd

I was gonna make a sarcastic response yesterday to your Nov 2016 reference but I figured it just wasn't funny/was pointless. Sorry if you made the bet with him today and I screwed you over for $200

Wow your a scumbag if you don't pay and delete.

hi jason

gl!

hi Jason

IMO I think Baron checked river because he knows that if fish has KK QQ JJ which is a good chunk of his range here he's never calling a river bet because he's blocking baron's bluffs. Checking allows fish to potentially turn these hands into bluffs and fish can still value bet AA, TT and 78s which he plays this way as well. I think it was a very good check by Baron.

Could be sick thread glgl.

How much has moving to thailand coat you all together? Did you move from the uk?
What are expcting expenses to be roughly?

So this Ja$onB bet raged on... Ego war no. 674

I was at his place with one other guy sitting around talking. I mentioned that I had been taking poker seriously since Nov 16 and prior to that I had a job. He laughs and wants to bet... It's my life so I'm to bet, we state terms about my other friend being the judge. Then we agree an amount... $200 and shake hands and he points out my huge error that it is in fact 2016 now and that I had of course meant 2015.

I'm furious at my own stupidity and mistake. He laughs at how he knows there's no way I'd take money off him the other way around but he is more of a c**t than me.

I go home kind of annoyed but its my mistake and i feel like I have to pay regardless. I ask a few friends and they mention how essentially he's been a scumbag and I've been free rolled as if I notice my error I never get paid and exploited because he could have said any amount, he chooses $200 because it's an amount he knows I'd pay.

After some thought I send him a message and say, if you don;t void this bet I don't see how we can be friends (as gay as that sounds). I'm don't wanna hang around with people where I can be exploited in these spots in the future. He gets mad...

To give some context to this, I met him in January and have sweated a few of his sessions and vice versa, he's told me how **** I am and said that I spew too much. In my mind that does not constitute as coaching and no deal has ever been struck, I figured we were just friends.

I stacked him at 500z and typed 'ure so bad' into chat with him, like he does to everyone else as a joke an dhe took it extremely badly and I apologised.

I lost a 200z prop bet to him 3 weeks ago and snap paid him $1.7k when I lost. So this bet isn't really about the money













He then sees my comment about joking that I would charge him $200 to remove my thread... and gets even more infuriated. He tells me how several people would think I'm a scumbag for situation despite me already talking to them and them thinking the opposite.

I was just trying to be logical



Then we hit the crux of the issue... He was still super super mad about how i typed 'ure so bad' even stating he would never take money off anyone else.



So it was clear we have a problem and said to him that isn't gonna go away by me paying this bet and I'm gonna fight you about paying it until we resolve it.

The next day he comes over, we talk and he's basically threatening to beat me up and how bad things are gonna happen to me if I don't pay up. 'I'm not having a bum like you disrespect me' 'If you pay that's it we're done and move on'

So i agreed, I'll pay if we can drop all this baggage.

I paid... and then he turns into the salty bitch...





So mabe I should have paid... Maybe I shouldn't... Maybe I was the bitch maybe I wasn't yada yada

Either way, he had previously told me I can't do training videos because he doesn't want me to give away his teachings... I guess I may just start doing that now (I guess I am the bitch)

Lol, ffs guys you're grown men. It''s all so ridiculous it has to be a level...

My take on it if true is that, of course you don't owe him anything - any bet like that among true friends would be laughed off by him straight after by saying "Nov 2016, really are you sure about that?" where you'd probably catch on or something like that and that would have been the end of it.

The "ure so bad" seems out of line given he gave you hours of free coaching but after your explanation it seems you made a joke which he didn't get/appreciate and you both just saw it a different way.. again it's such a small thing.. it shouldn't even be a thing.

Finally, he threaten to beat you up? (presumably he was serious since you paid) then you asked him for a night out with him? Eh?

Sounds like you're not friends at all and are totally different, just acquaintances brought together by a common interest in poker. You seem a straight up guy and once you've been here in SE Asia a while you'll meet new people and proper friends and won't have these sort of issues... lol.

Could not have put this better myself, it is ridiculous, but I think the environment here blows these tiny issues out of proportion very quickly.

The night out is with other guys and I don't wanna be cut out of th every small circle and was my attempt to try to move on.

And yes i agree, that's my conclusion too Have some more friends coming over soon so I'm still very excited to be here

I doubt any of you two get much of action with opposite gender without opening valet.

So fake its actually really boring.

I thought Jason's attitude was just a front for the lols on the Internet. If it's not, and he's genuinely that narcissistic, then stop talking to him and move on, it's that simple. Keep people who are positive and/or influential to you in your life; if people are gonna treat you like **** then why the **** are you even thinking twice? It's not even about being logical, it's about basic ethics you show towards your peers.

TL;DR if you're going to let someone walk over you like this then sorry but you, too, are the idiot. Move on.