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Old 12-28-2020, 11:34 PM   #1
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2021 Discretion's Poker Journey

Hey all,

I decided to start a PGC thread for various reasons, mainly being:

- keep motivated
- keep track of results
- accomplish my goals
- Llinusllove had a 2+2 thread when he was playing 10nl and hopefully I can replicate that success

My goal is to be crushing 200 blitz on WPN by the end of the year.

Started the month playing 50nl. Got smacked a little. Most of it was from a downswing at the end when I was tilting and a session in the middle when I was tilting and playing poorly. I don't know whether I'm a winning player or not. I know a lot of my leaks but don't have the confidence to go back in and try and fix them right now.



In the meantime, playing some 10nl for two weeks to rebuild confidence. Only played 3 days so far. If I could keep a bb/100 over 10 for the next two weeks (likely around 30k hands), I will move back up. Graph over the last 3 days (nonexistent sample size)


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Old 12-29-2020, 11:16 PM   #2
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Is it just me, or is everyone creating a training videos nowadays? TheWakko, MMAsherdog, and Jarretman all have videos that are better than any training site out there for free. It seems like buying a RIO essential membership is pretty useless compared to the free content out there.

TheWakko had the best two videos out there about deviating from solver ranges in practice. Even though I'm literally playing 10nl right now, that was eye opening. Maybe I would get to use it in 50nl someday.

On a different note, every single "decent" reg in the ACR 10nl pool is playing 15/10. That is just depressing. I get that a lot of those players are somehow grinding out a living on 300 dollars a week playing 10nl in Russia but I still don't understand how every single one of them is playing 15/10. I would think that there's at least some regs in the pool playing decent stats.

If anyone has any tips on getting through a downswing lmk. I feel like a 30bi downswing should be quite common in online, but it's been rough mentally. Part of me doesn't understand the mental frustration. I play 2/5 live and have lost 1500 in single sessions before. That has hurt nowhere near as much as losing 30bi in 8k hands.

Apologies for the garbled mess here that is just me thinking out loud.
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Old 12-30-2020, 08:49 AM   #3
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Is it just me, or is everyone creating a training videos nowadays? TheWakko, MMAsherdog, and Jarretman all have videos that are better than any training site out there for free. It seems like buying a RIO essential membership is pretty useless compared to the free content out there.

TheWakko had the best two videos out there about deviating from solver ranges in practice. Even though I'm literally playing 10nl right now, that was eye opening. Maybe I would get to use it in 50nl someday.

On a different note, every single "decent" reg in the ACR 10nl pool is playing 15/10. That is just depressing. I get that a lot of those players are somehow grinding out a living on 300 dollars a week playing 10nl in Russia but I still don't understand how every single one of them is playing 15/10. I would think that there's at least some regs in the pool playing decent stats.

If anyone has any tips on getting through a downswing lmk. I feel like a 30bi downswing should be quite common in online, but it's been rough mentally. Part of me doesn't understand the mental frustration. I play 2/5 live and have lost 1500 in single sessions before. That has hurt nowhere near as much as losing 30bi in 8k hands.

Apologies for the garbled mess here that is just me thinking out loud.
Is not just you,I also wondered about that.

Nice to see TheWakko talking about his mixed SB strat,or Jarretman talking about default lines or MMA given his views as well.

Can't really compare it to the value provided by training sites since I haven't join one at the moment. (I guess they go in to more detail and more structured explanations,rather than just thinking out loud specific spots on the fly,as those play and explain format do?)

Adding to the list mynameiskarl and sinkarma (although the latter content material has been focusing more on bringing new players,rather than the already grinders public).

TBH,sometimes I wonder how much the EV/hourly/effort/ROI of making this videos is,compared to just grinding?

Is it a way to diversify income while reducing grinding volume?is it legit "giving back to the community"?Or is it more like "poker is dying,if not dead already,better change paths while there is still a market to provide content for those fighting for the crumbs of the cake"?

Anyway GL OP,subbed!
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Old 01-03-2021, 12:06 PM   #4
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Re: 2021 Discretion's Poker Journey

Some more garbled thoughts after a couple days of playing both 10nl blitz and 50nl blitz.

Although I am not winning at that rate, I think you don't actually need to be playing GTO or anywhere close to it to be winning at 10bb/100 in 50 blitz. Most of the value comes from overfolding rivers since the regs are underbluffing (as they should be). If I call call fold most of my moderately strong hands, that should be fine for now. I also need to work on bet/folding and thin value betting rivers (with hands like third pair). Literally the basics.

I also don't need to work on having a balanced bluffing range. There have been so many times over the last couple days when I showed up with a hand on the river, knew the other person was folding 2% of his range, and bluffed anyways because of "good blockers". Spoiler: the other person never folded.

Also, there have been times when I literally could not find a bluff in villain's range but was at close to the top of my range and ended up calling off. Spoiler: I was good 1/12 times.

I literally just need to be playing good nitty poker. I read a comment online from demondoink on a RIO video where he said that most good 500z regs are greatly underbluffing rivers. He also claims they are also some of the biggest winners in the pool.
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Old 01-03-2021, 11:37 PM   #5
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Re: 2021 Discretion's Poker Journey

January Goals (50 blitz)

[] 30k hands
[] At least breakeven winrate after rakeback
[] Red line loss of 10bb/100 or less
[] No spew sessions

Basically, I have been studying flop floats and having a more solid turn strategy. This should help my redline and overall winrate.

Having a graph of -30bi in december also isn't motivating at all. I'm resetting the graph and starting at 0 in 2021. This is the only way to realistically reset my mental state.

Also had at least 3-4 sessions in December where I was pure spewing. If my mental game is not at 90%+, I'm going to end the session no matter the result.
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Old 01-04-2021, 12:25 AM   #6
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Is it just me, or is everyone creating a training videos nowadays? TheWakko, MMAsherdog, and Jarretman all have videos that are better than any training site out there for free. It seems like buying a RIO essential membership is pretty useless compared to the free content out there.

TheWakko had the best two videos out there about deviating from solver ranges in practice. Even though I'm literally playing 10nl right now, that was eye opening. Maybe I would get to use it in 50nl someday.

On a different note, every single "decent" reg in the ACR 10nl pool is playing 15/10. That is just depressing. I get that a lot of those players are somehow grinding out a living on 300 dollars a week playing 10nl in Russia but I still don't understand how every single one of them is playing 15/10. I would think that there's at least some regs in the pool playing decent stats.

If anyone has any tips on getting through a downswing lmk. I feel like a 30bi downswing should be quite common in online, but it's been rough mentally. Part of me doesn't understand the mental frustration. I play 2/5 live and have lost 1500 in single sessions before. That has hurt nowhere near as much as losing 30bi in 8k hands.

Apologies for the garbled mess here that is just me thinking out loud.
GL man, uh 15/10 yeah that seems fishy i want to say bot, they are 10-tabling, or they are actually that bad at poker.

Also what the hell is a 10nl reg, vs. those stats id just be over-betting the **** out of them and going with large sizings + 3 barrels with a decent portion of my bluff range, and 4!ing more preflop, use small sizings with the nuts and maybe slowplay with the nuts sometimes
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Btw OP, im considering moving states to play on ACR/the good US sites, what btc wallet are you using?

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Old 01-04-2021, 01:21 AM   #7
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January Goals (50 blitz)

[] 30k hands
[] At least breakeven winrate after rakeback
[] Red line loss of 10bb/100 or less
[] No spew sessions

Basically, I have been studying flop floats and having a more solid turn strategy. This should help my redline and overall winrate.

Having a graph of -30bi in december also isn't motivating at all. I'm resetting the graph and starting at 0 in 2021. This is the only way to realistically reset my mental state.

Also had at least 3-4 sessions in December where I was pure spewing. If my mental game is not at 90%+, I'm going to end the session no matter the result.
you may or may not find the info in this article interesting https://www.tournamentterminator.com...tarting-hands/
point being if you play fast fold type poker game (which isnt real poker to me i like table dynamics some back and forth patterns you can see which you get on regular tables but not really in fast fold) but yh its borderline rake trap, this site database showed hands all players made money with that played a certain threshold of hands on the site 18.4-23.7% something like that, obviously (it doesnt account for individual players just saying everyone made money with those holdings that played a certain amount of hands on the site) im not saying just play those hands but to be fair you could simplify your game and do just that see how it goes.
think not tilting is an underrated poker edge a really big edge cause if tilt bad you could tilt away any edge may of had.
Good luck this year man.
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Old 01-09-2021, 03:47 AM   #8
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2021 Week 1
Started off playing some 10nl to get my confidence back up. Results aren't that relevant (won at 15 evbb/100) and decided to revisit 50nl. Something clicked this time from watching Ginge's videos and I now think I'm a small winner in the pool. This isn't being results oriented as I realized this during a session that I was down 3.5 bi. Something just felt... different around hand 3500-4000. I can't even verbalize what I'm doing differently but I know for a fact that I'm winning now and wasn't before. Also doesn't hurt to run above EV for the first time.

2021 graph thus far


I think I also realized, this time from watching DLeePoker that you don't have to play anywhere close to GTO to beat 50 or 200 blitz. I've been running sims and trying to balance my turn overbet frequencies but it turns out you just have to have some basic hand reading skills and solid fundamentals.

For now, planning on playing 50 blitz until I dig myself out of the -30bi hole I set myself up in last year. I plan on playing at least 100k hands in 2021 until I will consider taking shots at 200 blitz. I know this is a complete change in mindset from before where I was sure I was losing but something just feels different this time. On that note, here are some of my biggest punts of the week.

I finally figured out how to post hand histories.

How does anyone lose when these players are in the pool

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.5 BB
Hero (SB): 108.28 BB
BB: 74.88 BB
UTG: 106.7 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 74.38 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 14.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 11 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 2 players) 6 8 K
Hero bets 11.4 BB, BTN raises to 22.8 BB, Hero calls 11.4 BB

Turn: (75.6 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 37.8 BB, Hero raises to 70.98 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 33.18 BB

River: (217.56 BB, 2 players) 4

BTN shows T Q (High Card, King)
(Pre 27%, Flop 5%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows Q K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 73%, Flop 95%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 211.56 BB


And players like this

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 144.88 BB
SB: 116.48 BB
BB: 688.46 BB
UTG: 114.5 BB
MP: 121 BB
CO: 150.62 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 15 BB, fold, Hero calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (31.5 BB, 2 players) T 6 2
BB bets 23.62 BB, Hero calls 23.62 BB

Turn: (78.74 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 39.36 BB, Hero raises to 106.26 BB and is all-in, BB calls 66.9 BB

River: (291.26 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 71%, Flop 99.6%, Turn 100%)
BB shows A 6 (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 29%, Flop 0.4%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 285.26 BB

I think I'm supposed to fold river here but I'm not good enough....

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 125.08 BB
SB: 124.58 BB
BB: 52.38 BB
UTG: 123 BB
MP: 106 BB
CO: 122.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

fold, MP raises to 2.86 BB, CO calls 2.86 BB, Hero calls 2.86 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.08 BB, 3 players) J 2 4
MP bets 6.72 BB, CO calls 6.72 BB, Hero calls 6.72 BB

Turn: (30.24 BB, 3 players) K
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets 10.56 BB, MP raises to 21.12 BB, fold, Hero calls 10.56 BB

River: (72.48 BB, 2 players) J
MP bets 75.3 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 75.3 BB

Hero shows 2 2 (Full House, Twos full of Jacks)
(Pre 18%, Flop 91%, Turn 2%)
MP shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Jacks)
(Pre 82%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)
MP wins 217.08 BB

Just your standard horrific bluff when I'm holding the worst blocker in the deck. I can't even mark this hand as total tilt because I was certain he would fold 99 here somehow...

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 137.82 BB
BB: 203.24 BB
UTG: 133 BB
MP: 105.94 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 20.74 BB, BTN calls 13.24 BB

Flop: (42.98 BB, 2 players) 2 8 2
Hero bets 12.24 BB, BTN calls 12.24 BB

Turn: (67.46 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 17.36 BB, BTN calls 17.36 BB

River: (102.18 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 49.66 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 49.66 BB and is all-in

BTN shows Q K (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)

Hero shows J A (One Pair, Twos)

BTN wins 195.5 BB
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Old 01-18-2021, 09:16 PM   #9
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Week 2 of January is in the books

For the first 3 days, I thought I was a linus level and was going to beat 200z by February. Unfortunately, poker does have variance and a graph can't go straight up.



My mental game was strong during the downswing which is good. Ended up up on the week which is incredible given how tilted I was at the low point.

Obviously must give some hands.

Yikes
Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 427.1 BB
SB: 126.2 BB
BB: 124.5 BB
UTG: 148.5 BB
MP: 152.9 BB
CO: 71.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) A 9 3
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (23 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 17.24 BB, Hero calls 17.24 BB

River: (57.48 BB, 2 players) 7
SB bets 28.74 BB, Hero raises to 398.86 BB and is all-in, SB calls 69.22 BB and is all-in

Hero shows J T (Straight Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 34%, Turn 89%)
SB shows K A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 60%, Flop 66%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 247.4 BB

Had this guy tagged as very strong reg prior to this hand

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 105.72 BB
SB: 240.6 BB
BB: 67.9 BB
UTG: 137.02 BB
MP: 111.5 BB
CO: 103.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) T 6 8
CO bets 8.74 BB, Hero calls 8.74 BB

Turn: (34.98 BB, 2 players) 8
CO bets 26.22 BB, Hero calls 26.22 BB

River: (87.42 BB, 2 players) T
CO bets 60.74 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 60.74 BB

Hero shows T J (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
(Pre 46%, Flop 73%, Turn 84%)
CO shows 7 A (Two Pair, Tens and Eights)
(Pre 54%, Flop 27%, Turn 16%)
Hero wins 202.9 BB

And gotta show by far my worst hand of the week

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.76 BB
SB: 322.12 BB
BB: 120 BB
Hero (UTG): 134.32 BB
MP: 205.88 BB
CO: 116.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

Hero raises to 2.24 BB, MP raises to 8.22 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 23.66 BB, MP calls 15.44 BB

Flop: (48.82 BB, 2 players) Q K 5
Hero bets 12.1 BB, MP calls 12.1 BB

Turn: (73.02 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 33.5 BB, MP raises to 139.9 BB, Hero calls 65.06 BB and is all-in

River: (270.14 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
MP shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
MP wins 264.14 BB

Another person tagged as "very strong reg" prior to this hand

Yatahay Network - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101.24 BB
SB: 533.52 BB
BB: 367.38 BB
UTG: 200.98 BB
MP: 83.98 BB
CO: 177.58 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 21.12 BB, Hero calls 13.12 BB

Flop: (43.74 BB, 2 players) T 6 8
CO bets 26 BB, Hero raises to 80.12 BB and is all-in, CO calls 54.12 BB

Turn: (203.98 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (203.98 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows A J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 51%, Flop 59%, Turn 48%)
CO shows 2 2 (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 49%, Flop 41%, Turn 52%)
CO wins 197.98 BB
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Old 01-19-2021, 03:52 AM   #10
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Old 01-24-2021, 04:10 AM   #11
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No HHs this week

I changed up my strategy completely (studying different flop textures, what population does, and how to exploit it) and crushed the first half of the week. Ex: No one defends T83ccc correctly vs a 1/4 pot cbet (I dare any half decent reg in the pool to call KJhh vs that bet). Population will cbet 100% Btn vs BB on K22r but won't defend anywhere close to properly vs a raise. I could go on and on but can't give away all my secrets

Unfortunately, on Friday, I suffered some personal issues. Nothing major, just shorting Gamestop stock like a ***** idiot. To blow off steam I booted up 5 zone tables and proceeded to dust off 10 buy ins in the span of 2 hours. Mental game might be a small leak . I'll be back at it. I know I have the technical skills to beat 200z, I just don't have the roll or the mental game right now. Still waiting on 100k hands at at least 8bb/100 before I move to 200z. That means I have to average 10bb/100 for the last 70k hands. Doable? Yeah. I think the best regs can win at 15bb/100 at these stakes and I think I am (when I am at my A game) close to the best reg in the pool. The problem is maintaining that A game.

In other news, played live poker for the first time in a while. Played 5/10 at the Bellagio for 3 days on a martin luther king's day trip and made 5k. Feeling pretty comfortable there with the skills I gained from playing micro stakes. Idk, live poker is where the money's at if I were looking to play for a living. It hasn't come to that yet and hopefully won't for a while.

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Old 01-24-2021, 05:59 AM   #12
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I played 50 blitz during the pandemic and did well although I’m admittedly a live pro, not an online specialist. I own a solver and appreciate the importance of GTO concepts, but you are right that you definitely don’t have to, nor should you be trying to play GTO. In my experience, and your results may vary, I would do two things in that pool:

1. Cbet flops very aggressively for smallish sizes. The player pool does not play back at you enough. I’m not saying to cbet black AK on 89T two hearts, but cbet frequently. Anything a solver would have as say a 20% or higher cbet I was cbetting 100%.

2. Exploit fold vs post flop aggression, particularly when you bet and get raised.

50 blitz seemed like if everyone at 2/5 live was given a preflop chart and more or less stuck to it. Other than that it played very similarly in my opinion. Don’t take my word as gospel since I never accumulated a huge sample in that game, just my two cents.
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Old 01-24-2021, 10:18 PM   #13
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I played 50 blitz during the pandemic and did well although Iím admittedly a live pro, not an online specialist. I own a solver and appreciate the importance of GTO concepts, but you are right that you definitely donít have to, nor should you be trying to play GTO. In my experience, and your results may vary, I would do two things in that pool:

1. Cbet flops very aggressively for smallish sizes. The player pool does not play back at you enough. Iím not saying to cbet black AK on 89T two hearts, but cbet frequently. Anything a solver would have as say a 20% or higher cbet I was cbetting 100%.

2. Exploit fold vs post flop aggression, particularly when you bet and get raised.

50 blitz seemed like if everyone at 2/5 live was given a preflop chart and more or less stuck to it. Other than that it played very similarly in my opinion. Donít take my word as gospel since I never accumulated a huge sample in that game, just my two cents.
I like the comparison that 50 blitz is a 2/5 game where everyone knows how to play preflop. It doesn't really feel like people are playing particularly close to GTO and the standard bet-folding technique that prints live seems to work well there.

I'm also primarily a live player though I think online is fascinating. I think playing 50-200 blitz on acr is great training for playing 10/20+ live (if you can get 5bb/100 in 200 blitz, you are definitely prepared for 10/20 in vegas). I'm primarily playing to get better, or else I would be playing on global or ignition.
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