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Old 01-05-2019, 08:34 AM   #101
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Plus one to all of that (and I'd add flexibility to your list, albeit you could include it in physical strength). My diet/workout regime covers all these things in spades...but none of that is really anything to do with "detoxification" as a marketing strategy.

This could easily become an exercise in semantics, so I'll just wish you luck, but add don't do the water thing for any more than three days.
The dry fasting thing you mean? Could do it for longer easily, but I don't really want to as it's a pretty big inconvenience.

The fast is over!

Sooooo the clock has just struck 7pm and I dolphin dived into my salt water bath. Next to me in the tub I have a bottle of water, a bottle of water with potassium and salt, some date juice, some coconut water, some lemon juice, and some acv as well as some baking soda. I'm basically just going to sip on all these bitches for next couple hours and slowly rehydrate.

The 3 day dry fast was honestly a hundred times easier than I expected. Of the 72 hours I really only had a headache for 10 hours. I had pretty much zero hunger? I didn't really feel like I was starving for something to eat for a minute this whole time. That was super surprising tbh.

I lost a total of 6.5kg in the 3 days and 9.5cm from my waistline.

You'd think when I had the opportunity to start drinking again just now that I'd be desperately chugging back water, but I can really only stomach a couple mouthfuls - I'm honestly not that thirsty at all!?

Overall I'm surprised at how easy it was.

Anyways the plan now is to continue on a water fast for the next few days at least, I'm not hungry so don't see the point in eating. Tomorrow AM I have my 2.5 hour spa session and then I have a coaching session after. The following day I'll look to get back in the gym and start playing some poker!
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Old 01-05-2019, 09:54 AM   #102
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it wasnt real weight though was it? just water weight which you will just put back on?
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:04 AM   #103
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No better way to break a fast than inserting your penis into Watermelon hole IMO. Watermelon is full of water and vitamin C so healthy AF
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:05 AM   #104
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If a team of writers was trying to write a detox parody, they would not have come up with anything as good as that post.
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:57 AM   #106
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it wasnt real weight though was it? just water weight which you will just put back on?
Not eating for 72 hours will definitely burn some fat ... your body needs energy to function, so probably between 1-2 kg of that is fat.
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Not eating for 72 hours will definitely burn some fat ... your body needs energy to function, so probably between 1-2 kg of that is fat.
2kg of bodyfat is roughly 14.000 kcal
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:59 AM   #108
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Hey Meale, I followed your first PG&C for a while but fell off of 2+2 in general so didn't realize you created a follow-up thread in Thailand. I discovered it, read the first 3 pages and was pumped to start reading the thread in its entirety on the sh**ter. Once I got around to starting up I realized it was closed, skipped to the last few pages and wow, what a 180 straight into degeneracy lmao

I've always been impressed with your "let's get it, all or nothing" mentality which was demonstrated in the beginning of both of your threads. Obviously I wasn't rooting for you to fail and I feel like your time enjoying Thailand and all its enticements, despite potentially detracting from your poker goals, was time well spent. It was more of a significant sidetrack than a failure imo.

All that said, I'm excited to see how your efforts pan out this year now that you've (maybe?) gotten all the debauchery out of your system. I'm on a similar path in that I've gone from smoking the ganja daily (akin to your forays into the nightlife, I'd imagine) to quitting the stuff entirely and really buckling down to get to the best version of myself. You've inspired me to rip my own thread out of the muck and do a better job of holding myself accountable. Cheers and good skill!
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Old 01-05-2019, 12:34 PM   #109
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it wasnt real weight though was it? just water weight which you will just put back on?
Definitely some was fat, but a lot of water weight too. I don't plan on putting much of the water weight back on as I won't be eating any carbs for a long time so that should reduce water retention somewhat.

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No better way to break a fast than inserting your penis into Watermelon hole IMO. Watermelon is full of water and vitamin C so healthy AF
You're not wrong. Tbh kinda wishing I'd done that instead of this silly date juice bollocks :')

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If a team of writers was trying to write a detox parody, they would not have come up with anything as good as that post.
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Not eating for 72 hours will definitely burn some fat ... your body needs energy to function, so probably between 1-2 kg of that is fat.
Yeah seems about right.

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Hey Meale, I followed your first PG&C for a while but fell off of 2+2 in general so didn't realize you created a follow-up thread in Thailand. I discovered it, read the first 3 pages and was pumped to start reading the thread in its entirety on the sh**ter. Once I got around to starting up I realized it was closed, skipped to the last few pages and wow, what a 180 straight into degeneracy lmao

I've always been impressed with your "let's get it, all or nothing" mentality which was demonstrated in the beginning of both of your threads. Obviously I wasn't rooting for you to fail and I feel like your time enjoying Thailand and all its enticements, despite potentially detracting from your poker goals, was time well spent. It was more of a significant sidetrack than a failure imo.

All that said, I'm excited to see how your efforts pan out this year now that you've (maybe?) gotten all the debauchery out of your system. I'm on a similar path in that I've gone from smoking the ganja daily (akin to your forays into the nightlife, I'd imagine) to quitting the stuff entirely and really buckling down to get to the best version of myself. You've inspired me to rip my own thread out of the muck and do a better job of holding myself accountable. Cheers and good skill!
Great write up mate, hope you crush 2019 as well!
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The dry fasting thing you mean? Could do it for longer easily, but I don't really want to as it's a pretty big inconvenience.
how much longer than 72 hours can you really go without water? iirc the body starts shutting down around 96 hours

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I was reading up a little about it, and apparently dehydration that causes a 7% or greater loss in body weight causes bloodflow to slow to the kidneys, which prevents your kidneys from filtering your blood and causes cellular waste to build up. maybe this is the pain people feel in their kidneys during dry fasting?

the more I read about it the more I'm like nooope not for me. I drink 6 liters of water a day though. A few hours without a glass gives me headaches so there's no way I could go a day or more
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how much longer than 72 hours can you really go without water? iirc the body starts shutting down around 96 hours



I was reading up a little about it, and apparently dehydration that causes a 7% or greater loss in body weight causes bloodflow to slow to the kidneys, which prevents your kidneys from filtering your blood and causes cellular waste to build up. maybe this is the pain people feel in their kidneys during dry fasting?

the more I read about it the more I'm like nooope not for me. I drink 6 liters of water a day though. A few hours without a glass gives me headaches so there's no way I could go a day or more


This is a 7 day hard dry fast, think people have done a bit over 10 days though, I imagine soft dry fast.

It's important to make a distinction between being dehydrated in general and then being dehydrated deliberately. When you do this deliberately you are literally doing nothing all day everyday, hardly using much energy and surviving off the water from the fat tissue quite nicely. If you're lost In a desert trying to find your way, you're well and truly dead after 3 days.
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This is a 7 day hard dry fast, think people have done a bit over 10 days though, I imagine soft dry fast.

It's important to make a distinction between being dehydrated in general and then being dehydrated deliberately. When you do this deliberately you are literally doing nothing all day everyday, hardly using much energy and surviving off the water from the fat tissue quite nicely. If you're lost In a desert trying to find your way, you're well and truly dead after 3 days.
I've heard of people dry fasting for 7 days during the day, where they rehydrate at night/in the morning but not consume anything all day. I've never heard of anyone depriving themselves entirely of water for 7 days. I'm sure it's survivable for some people if you're well trained, but I'd guess that it's dangerous for even healthy people to attempt.

I'm trying to read more about this stuff but I can't find anything besides fad diet type sites trying to sell me their products. I can find scientific studies on regular fasting, but not much on dry fasting. If you know of any good resources I'd appreciate it!
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I've heard of people dry fasting for 7 days during the day, where they rehydrate at night/in the morning but not consume anything all day. I've never heard of anyone depriving themselves entirely of water for 7 days. I'm sure it's survivable for some people if you're well trained, but I'd guess that it's dangerous for even healthy people to attempt.

I'm trying to read more about this stuff but I can't find anything besides fad diet type sites trying to sell me their products. I can find scientific studies on regular fasting, but not much on dry fasting. If you know of any good resources I'd appreciate it!
Truth be told there simply isn't much in the way of science on prolonged fasting yet. I'd say Cole Robinson's Snake Diet page is a decent place to start - he's not trying to sell anyone anything (the snake diet is literally just you not eating for long periods of time) and he's done multiple different experiments on his own body and his clients.

If it interests you I'd say that's a cool place to start.
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Truth be told there simply isn't much in the way of science on prolonged fasting yet. I'd say Cole Robinson's Snake Diet page is a decent place to start - he's not trying to sell anyone anything (the snake diet is literally just you not eating for long periods of time) and he's done multiple different experiments on his own body and his clients.

If it interests you I'd say that's a cool place to start.
thanks man, I'll check it out. not really interested in doing it, but it's interesting to read about
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I also think the detoxification stuff is mostly nonsense, but to each their own. Just don't do stuff that harms yourself.

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I also think the detoxification stuff is mostly nonsense, but to each their own. Just don't do stuff that harms yourself.

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Cheers M8!

And I mean the science on this stuff is plentiful so you can read it if you like. A few months ago I probably would have said the same tbh.
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Hey Harvey! Don’t be offended as everything I am gonna day is obviously just what I believe. I won’t derail the thread with nutrition talk further after this post, but saying there is “science behind” a fast or a diet doesn’t necessarily mean a thing (I do, for what it’s worth, believe in some benefits of fasting). There is science behind EVERY single diet! Yet none of them work, because they all are looking for a quick fix to something that requires permanent change

When I mentioned exercise and a diet earlier, it was because learning how to eat right and then implementing it is a habit, just like eating Pringles or ice cream or whatever is a habit too. To try to achieve a certain bf % by incorporating a diet is a fool’s errand, you will just end up putting it back on (or just be miserable fighting urges 24/7 until you give in) after a period of time.

You (and everyone) should just start learning how to eat whole, unprocessed foods, and Eat only them, all the time, without worrying about calories or fasts or anything else. That is a permanent habit that anyone can make in their lives, and the results from it will blow everything else out of the water, because our bodies get fed what they need, and your whole attitude about food will change. You will feel better than you’ve ever felt, have less mood swings, more energy, better hard-ons, and your mind will work better.

Yet why can’t people do this? Why instead do they look for a quick fix? Because ACTUALLY making change in this realm takes a lifestyle change and people fail at it. It’s easier to convince ourselves we are doing something while on our diets.....and then months later, when we’ve made little or no progress, look for something else that works.

Weighing yourself while fasting is obv mostly water weight. My best friend fasted for 42 days lol and got pretty ripped but also looked bad. Sure you will lose fat but your bad habits will remain, going on a week long coke bender will make you lose fat too (as well as be a lot more fun).

I’ll get off my soapbox but I get a lot of exposure to health and nutrition, the gf is a nutritionist and I am a chef so I hear all the time about how this works, that works, and then I see the people talking about it never making any changes in their lives because of what I wrote about above. Like I said sub-10% bf is actually not that hard to keep, and all I do is swim 3x a week and lift 5. I do intermittently fast because I love it’s benefits, but that’s not necessary. The only real solution to all this is to eat a (really) nutritional diet. The rest is just noise imo

Either way GL bro!

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how many calories do you eat on avg/24 hours on OMAD? and what are the macros roughly?
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Wp with the fast Meale! Sounds like you know your stuff about nutrition too which is refreshing. The benefits of autophagy and mitophagy are amazing along with the weight loss.

Sorry if this has been discussed before but how much should I except to pay for a 1 bedroom place in Pattaya near walking street?

GL with goals this year
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Depriving the body of water for 6 days or longer is seriously dangerous and can do lasting damage to the body/organs.

You can take that to the bank; In the military, I was a sea survival instructor and used to teach this stuff professionally.

Obviously, every human is different and tolerances will swing massively, but if you are doing this stuff without medical advice, you are just playing Russian roulette with your kidneys.

I googled this dry fast stuff and sure on the internet loads of bedroom business bottom feeders are promoting stuff about it and other forms of extreme fasting...a lot of noise by a load of internet chancers does not add up to anything scientific.

TBC, I am as open-minded as anybody on here, hence I've spent 3-4 days looking for an opinion of dry fasting from what I would call a credible source. So far I've got squat, but anybody wants to post a link...I'll take a look for sure.

PS Funny, after all that reading, you know what impact it has left on me. I need to drink more water.
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Hey Harvey! Don’t be offended as everything I am gonna day is obviously just what I believe. I won’t derail the thread with nutrition talk further after this post
It's not a derail at all! This thread isn't just about poker.

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, but saying there is “science behind” a fast or a diet doesn’t necessarily mean a thing (I do, for what it’s worth, believe in some benefits of fasting). There is science behind EVERY single diet! Yet none of them work, because they all are looking for a quick fix to something that requires permanent change
I'm not talking about diets here though, I'm talking about an eating frequency guideline (prolonged fasting, that's all it is). Whether you create permanent change or a habit doesn't really have much to do with whether you're eating 1 meal a day or whether you're a vegan.

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When I mentioned exercise and a diet earlier, it was because learning how to eat right and then implementing it is a habit, just like eating Pringles or ice cream or whatever is a habit too. To try to achieve a certain bf % by incorporating a diet is a fool’s errand, you will just end up putting it back on (or just be miserable fighting urges 24/7 until you give in) after a period of time.
This isn't some "diet" I'm just going to decide to stop one day. I've said a few times now that I want to develop a fasting focused lifestyle. Also fighting urges and cravings is not super difficult once you've beaten your food addiction, IIRC. But we'll see on that one.

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You (and everyone) should just start learning how to eat whole, unprocessed foods, and Eat only them, all the time, without worrying about calories or fasts or anything else. That is a permanent habit that anyone can make in their lives, and the results from it will blow everything else out of the water, because our bodies get fed what they need, and your whole attitude about food will change. You will feel better than you’ve ever felt, have less mood swings, more energy, better hard-ons, and your mind will work better.
I see your point but I personally disagree. Who's to say eating whole unprocessed foods all the time is better than fasting or looking at calories? The dietary advice we've been prescribed over the past 100 years is largely bollocks and the science is moving very quickly. Remember 10 years ago if you wanted to bulk up, what advice would you get? Drink a gallon of milk, 8 meals a day, loooads of carbs, and when your full, force-feed yourself some more. That was the conventional (bro)wisdom at the time, but no one knew better.

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Yet why can’t people do this? Why instead do they look for a quick fix? Because ACTUALLY making change in this realm takes a lifestyle change and people fail at it.
I'm not sure you understand what I'm doing here. This IS an actual lifestyle change. This is by no means a quick fix.

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It’s easier to convince ourselves we are doing something while on our diets.....and then months later, when we’ve made little or no progress, look for something else that works.
This "diet" is guaranteed to work, though. By definition.

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Weighing yourself while fasting is obv mostly water weight. My best friend fasted for 42 days lol and got pretty ripped but also looked bad. Sure you will lose fat but your bad habits will remain, going on a week long coke bender will make you lose fat too (as well as be a lot more fun).
Again, why do you assume someone can't make fasting a part of their lifestyle for any prolonged period of time?

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How do you even define a really nutritional diet? Is eating steak, bacon, and eggs once a day nutritional? If not, why not?

Also man, I really do love and appreciate you making this post. This sort of discussion is exactly what I want on this thread and it's really good to have knowledgeable guys like yourself chiming in. Sorry if I come across as super defensive or patronizing, I don't mean it.

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how many calories do you eat on avg/24 hours on OMAD? and what are the macros roughly?
I am still fasting so I'm not sure yet. My plan is to do the following... Once I break my fast over the next few days, I want to start training fasted and then eat immediately afterwards. Probably something like,

- 300g steak
- 4-6 fried eggs
- fkloads of bacon

It's all fat and protein so should stay in ketosis to keep burning that fat. Again this is one meal a day, 20 minute eating window. Probably the above is about 1500 calories?

I'll do that til I'm down to the bodyfat % I'm happy with and then I'll look to switch it up a bit. I'm not POSITIVE on how I want this "bulking" diet to work yet but what I'm thinking is,

Carbs first thing in morning, so like some fkn fried rice + pad thai or some ****, then hit the gym, then have the above 1500 calories afterwards... It'll make my eating window something like 5 hours instead of 20 mins because **** takes time to digest, but the carbs should give me some more strength in the gym and I imagine this will put me over caloric maintenance too. Then it basically just comes down to keeping a very close eye on the scale, setting set point weights and goal weights, mixing in some 48 hour fasts from time to time possibly too if I feel the fat is creeping up.

I do like the idea of not eating any carbs at all, but not sure how practical that'll be while bulking. I also like the idea of keeping everything to 1 meal AND training fasted. Ideally I'd train fasted and just ram like 2500-2800cals in in one meal after training - and tbh that might work fairly well... I'll still be in a caloric surpluss.

If anyone has any advice on which of these two approaches I should pick, lmk!

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Wp with the fast Meale! Sounds like you know your stuff about nutrition too which is refreshing. The benefits of autophagy and mitophagy are amazing along with the weight loss.

Sorry if this has been discussed before but how much should I except to pay for a 1 bedroom place in Pattaya near walking street?

GL with goals this year
Exactly!!!

Ummm, for a long term rental in central Pattaya you would probably be looking at the 15k mark. Really you could get something from 7k-22k baht per month, but it depends a lot on just how povo you wanna live. It also depends a bit on whether it's peak season or not etc etc. Check out The Base condo, I know a few poker players chillin in that one as we speak!

FOr 1 night, idk, pennies.

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Depriving the body of water for 6 days or longer is seriously dangerous and can do lasting damage to the body/organs.

You can take that to the bank; In the military, I was a sea survival instructor and used to teach this stuff professionally.

Obviously, every human is different and tolerances will swing massively, but if you are doing this stuff without medical advice, you are just playing Russian roulette with your kidneys.

I googled this dry fast stuff and sure on the internet loads of bedroom business bottom feeders are promoting stuff about it and other forms of extreme fasting...a lot of noise by a load of internet chancers does not add up to anything scientific.

TBC, I am as open-minded as anybody on here, hence I've spent 3-4 days looking for an opinion of dry fasting from what I would call a credible source. So far I've got squat, but anybody wants to post a link...I'll take a look for sure.

PS Funny, after all that reading, you know what impact it has left on me. I need to drink more water.
Hahah, yeah as I said there's really not much science out there yet. The research simply hasn't been done. The next best thing IMO is just looking at people who have done it and had results. Look at the Cole Robinsons, look at his clients, and decide for yourself. FWIW, Cole Robinson is doing some stuff that's probably as close to hard science as you get. He's done multiple extended fasts, had his bloods taken before and after, dexa scans, and does the full breakdown.

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Today was my birthday, the big 2-4. Went to Oasis Spa in Jomtien for a 2 hour deep tissue Thai massage thing because my sis got me a voucher for Xmas. Was the absolute nuts. Fkn expensive though that place, was like 4600 baht for that massage lmao. I got a comparable one for 300 baht on Beach Road.

Anyway, had my first coaching session with DownandUnder today, have a great big laundry list of **** I need to change in my game immediately. It's honestly so beneficial spending just 1 hour with someone who is better than you, you learn a lot. People say the best way to get good at poker is to consume all the free content, training sites etc, but I've always said, getting a good coach to straight up tell you what you're doing wrong and what to do to fix it is a hundred times higher EV.

Initially I'd planned on moving up to 5/10/20 when I play next, but I've decided I'll stay at 2/4/8 and do a bit of 4 tabling to implement these new tings before moving up. I'll be putting myself in a lot of uncomfortable spots and that COULD get expensive so I'm going to stay at 2/4/8 for a while longer.

Gameplan tomorrow is to do up a 2 week plan in my diary, I have a friend visiting from Aus on 15th, so I have to take that day off (I don't want to but told him last year I'd hang with him if he visited). So need to figure out my week around that. I have a couple sweat sessions I want to do with a couple of my players and I also need to finalise some book keeping stuff. Going to drag myself to the gym tomorrow and train fasted. Not going to eat til the day after I don't think.

Gl all.
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