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Old 09-04-2019, 09:28 AM   #676
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That rake is nuts. Good a reason as any to move up. Paying just over 1 bb/100 at 2knl
not so thinly veiled brag... Post the UW 49' 4k while you're at it, bud.
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not so thinly veiled brag... Post the UW 49' 4k while you're at it, bud.
If I played 4 tables of 2knl I'd buy a 49' uhd as well!
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Hey man, glad to see it's all going so well! Been away for a while but back on the rail.
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Old 09-04-2019, 01:33 PM   #679
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Hey man, glad to see it's all going so well! Been away for a while but back on the rail.
Cheers bruh! <3
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:27 AM   #680
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Old 09-13-2019, 04:06 AM   #681
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CALLING ALL PROP BETTORS

The end of the year is looming and as always I'm interested in trying to get a friendly prop bet going. Last year I vs'd brokenstars in a volume prop bet which culminated in a buyout but caused many an 18 hour day.

This year I want to do it a bit differently and actually prioritize my health. This past week I've literally put on 3kg staying up all night, drinking energy drinks, and playing WCOOP. I literally couldn't put on my weightlifting belt at the gym yesterday.

At the start of the year I'd made 3 major goals, one pertaining to poker, one pertaining to muscle mass, and one pertaining to bodyfat. I've smashed the poker goal currently, but haven't put on the muscle mass or gotten anywhere near my desired bodyfat percentage. It's too late to put on a chunk of muscle when I still haven't sorted my sleep out but think I can make a run at getting down to 10% bodyfat, as I'm currently at about 19% I'd guess.

So he's what I'm proposing, I want to play 686 hours of poker between now and end of year at minimum 230hph as per HEM. Plus I want to get down to 10% bodyfat. That's roughly 45 hours of poker a week til the end of the year when I've barely done more than 30-35 hours a week for the entire year.

We have friends visiting between now and the end of the year, no doubt Christmas and New year's celebrations, and as we've all seen, I am extremely easily convinced to go out and party living in this city - if I go out drinking, it not only ruins my volume (I have a rule that I do not play any poker whatsoever when hungover) AND sinking 50 beers in a night is horrendous for bodyfat obviously.

So it would be a multifaceted challenge for me as to succeed I'd have to do the following,

A) create a plan that balances everything in such a way that I don't kill myself playing poker or starving/get burnt out, while getting down to a bodyfat percentage I've never been at ever in my life (10%).
B) Not go out drinking/partying/seeing girls more than the few allotted days I've given myself for the next 3.5 months. This will be extremely difficult with friends visiting, likely lots of drinking going on in the penthouse, and me generally being very easily convinced to go out.
C) Play 45 hours of poker a week between now and the end of the year.
D) Hope and pray that the quality of my sleep improves to a point that allows for me to burn the necessary fat - going from 12-10% will be difficult and near impossible if I'm not sleeping.

I know this won't exactly be as exciting to rail as last year's prop bet but I really want to do something that will help me check off that BFP goal that I set at the start of the year.

***I am willing to offer extremely decent odds for anyone who is keen to bet against me. Also open to negotiating terms etc.
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:07 AM   #682
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@scottycorbett ^^^ prop bet for you mate
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:13 AM   #683
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@scottycorbett ^^^ prop bet for you mate
Think this would be perfect given relatively similar poker/fitness goals!
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Old 09-13-2019, 07:55 AM   #684
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I'll run a poker/fitness prop bet vs you but we'd have to have handicaps on poker volume for me and fitness for you. I run a YouTube fitness channel and play mid/hi stakes tournies about 30hours a week
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:58 AM   #685
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I'll run a poker/fitness prop bet vs you but we'd have to have handicaps on poker volume for me and fitness for you. I run a YouTube fitness channel and play mid/hi stakes tournies about 30hours a week
Sounds good! What do you think would be equivilent/challenging poker/fitness goals for you?
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Old 09-13-2019, 09:44 AM   #686
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How are you going to measure your BF? Think this is pretty important as different type of scans have shown to produce different results.
Think there's no chance you'll fail volume goal and it all comes down to the BF, which is anyones guess. I am not firing shots, but guess you'll have a pretty good understanding about whether its doable or not. I mean i've never been lower than 14-15% probably and i know for a fact that i couldn't get to 10%~ within even a 6 months.
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Old 09-13-2019, 10:25 AM   #687
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How are you going to measure your BF? Think this is pretty important as different type of scans have shown to produce different results.
Think there's no chance you'll fail volume goal and it all comes down to the BF, which is anyones guess. I am not firing shots, but guess you'll have a pretty good understanding about whether its doable or not. I mean i've never been lower than 14-15% probably and i know for a fact that i couldn't get to 10%~ within even a 6 months.
I have/had calipers lying around but don't really plan on doing any scans unless requested. Will mainly just be using before and after pictures and allow people to make their own judgement, but I'll grab some calipers at the end to make sure of it anyway.

Have no proof other than pictures that I'm ~19% now, tbh it's likely 17-22% range and I think the pics would reflect that. Will supply these to anyone who takes action ofc.

Also idk what bfp you're at now but if it's under 22ish% you 100% could get to 10% in 6 months and I doubt it would be particularly difficult if you worked hard at it.

I'm not planning on doing any fasting whatsoever for this but intermittent combined with prolonged fasting can make fat loss extremely quick.

My current gameplan is to just eat about 500 Cal's under maintenance (~3500) which should see me lose about 0.5kg per week. Will start at about 3200 Cals and reduce to 3000 after a few weeks and then based on scale feedback will be adding 1x cardio session every 4 days if I need to in order to maintain pace.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:58 PM   #688
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I think you're underselling how difficult it is to get to 10%, but good luck anyway!
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Old 09-13-2019, 06:43 PM   #689
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are you going to use steroids?
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Old 09-13-2019, 08:32 PM   #690
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I think you're underselling how difficult it is to get to 10%, but good luck anyway!
Possibly! We'll see.

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Old 09-13-2019, 10:09 PM   #691
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Hey bro, I've cut bf% a bunch of times, dropping 9% with 3200 calories in 14 weeks, unless you are doing serious amounts of cardio and eating absolutely clean, will be virtually impossible

I'm not saying it can't be done, but I believe it can't be done with those parameters
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Hey bro, I've cut bf% a bunch of times, dropping 9% with 3200 calories in 14 weeks, unless you are doing serious amounts of cardio and eating absolutely clean, will be virtually impossible

I'm not saying it can't be done, but I believe it can't be done with those parameters
The first couple weeks I'm planning on doing 3200, but maintaining 3000 for the bulk of the 15 weeks and then tapering down toward the end and upping cardio will almost certainly be inevitable. Of course I could experiment with some fasting if need be but I want to avoid that if possible and just do it the old school way so I can still put up numbers in the gym.

I realise it's going to be very tough indeed, mainly with having a life still - I'm not sure how much of a set back drinking once a month will be but time will tell!

Any advice you could give Matt I'd certainly appreciate any help I can get from someone who's done it before!
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Old 09-14-2019, 01:31 AM   #693
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Sounds good! What do you think would be equivilent/challenging poker/fitness goals for you?
Hmmm.

I think we could do the BF 10% thing, I'm around 15ish right now. Do you have access to DEXA scans in Thailand? That's the most accurate. We could do a before and after. I'm thinking this part will be easier for me.

Then we could do the hours poker thing hmmm, I can do the 45 hours thing.

You have a handicap or better odds on the body fat challenge and I could have that on the poker part?

What you think?

I'm super down for $5k or so bet if you'd like.
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you can get DEXA scans in TH
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Old 09-14-2019, 03:22 AM   #695
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Hmmm.

I think we could do the BF 10% thing, I'm around 15ish right now. Do you have access to DEXA scans in Thailand? That's the most accurate. We could do a before and after. I'm thinking this part will be easier for me.

Then we could do the hours poker thing hmmm, I can do the 45 hours thing.

You have a handicap or better odds on the body fat challenge and I could have that on the poker part?

What you think?

I'm super down for $5k or so bet if you'd like.
Yeah bit of a hassle, i had a quick poke around and seems like id have to do some more research to see if dexa technology exists in Pattaya, BPH may have it. I also don't think 45 hours for an MTT pro is much of an equivalent - considering I'm also doing an hour's study each day as well as 2 hours coaching each week, so I'd want a higher number for you which would ideally be based on your schedule and other commitments as well so it's challenging for us both.

Regardless of whether we can come to some sort of arrangement in terms of betting, I've officially started my challenge as of today.
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Yeah bit of a hassle, i had a quick poke around and seems like id have to do some more research to see if dexa technology exists in Pattaya, BPH may have it. I also don't think 45 hours for an MTT pro is much of an equivalent - considering I'm also doing an hour's study each day as well as 2 hours coaching each week, so I'd want a higher number for you which would ideally be based on your schedule and other commitments as well so it's challenging for us both.

Regardless of whether we can come to some sort of arrangement in terms of betting, I've officially started my challenge as of today.
Word good luck man! I'll think about what other options we have, it's be fun to have a bit on the line for it. We could definitely add study into the equation or something to even it out, I'll think on it.
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Word good luck man! I'll think about what other options we have, it's be fun to have a bit on the line for it. We could definitely add study into the equation or something to even it out, I'll think on it.
Sounds good, lmk if you come up with something, GL for the rest of your year regardless!
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Old 09-14-2019, 05:15 PM   #698
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Advice:

1. I've found intermittent fasting to be the most effective way of losing fat, both for the physiological benefits and because it's easier to stick to a diet that is all or nothing. Knowing you can't eat during certain hours makes it easy to not break that diet rule. Also, try to stop eating like 5 hours before you go to sleep.

2. Don't eat anything processed. Make sure all your carbohydrates are complex (only time you can break this rule is right after workouts). Avoid anything with artificial sweeteners, the science isn't out on all this, but all those sugar-free drinks are no good for fat loss.

3. Do HIIT for cardio, no long distance BS

4. Superset everything during your workout, keeps the heart rate up.

5. Supplements
- If you're ok with being sped up a bit, use a preworkout drink.
- Fish/Krill Oil, 3-5g/day
- multivitamin for sure
- if you're drinking lots of caffeine, get an adaptogen like Ashwaganda.

6. Water - it's so ridiculously important. Look up the guidelines for what is recommended for your weight and aim for the top end of whatever they suggest (even more if you're doing tons of cardio)

7. Macros - everyone responds to everything differently, you can play with them to see what works for you. Since you're trying to get really lean really fast, start with something like (off the top of my head, there's prob better info available on the web)
-150g carbs
-200g protein
-40g fat

- See how your body responds and adjust accordingly. That's a pretty calorie-restrictive diet, if you're starving just adjust it to where you can stand it, and use that as your baseline. See how much you lose after 2 weeks and adjust cardio levels as necessary to make sure you are on track for the rest of the time period. I use the app mymacros+, just use that or another macro tracker. Track your food religiously, too many people f*ck around and guess, it's just a waste of time. Once you nail down what you're putting into your body, you can find out really easily where you want to be in order to hit your goals.


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*I don't know if you're allowing steroids for this, but I haven't taken anything since college and am out of the loop w/ them.

*Drinking - obv the nut low for fitness goals but a couple times won't kill the program. Just the obvious, don't go drink 4000 calories of beer in a night. If you're gonna party, honestly blow or psychs are gonna be way better than booze
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Some absolute gold there mate, really appreciate you taking the time to write all this out! I've commented on some stuff in bold below.

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Advice:

1. I've found intermittent fasting to be the most effective way of losing fat, both for the physiological benefits and because it's easier to stick to a diet that is all or nothing. Knowing you can't eat during certain hours makes it easy to not break that diet rule. Also, try to stop eating like 5 hours before you go to sleep.

My only reservation about IF is training fasted. Even though it shouldn't actually be a relevant point if the sole goal here is fat loss, I feel like I am super weak when doing this and generally put in pretty pathetic workouts. Which I hate doing. Since I have to train in the morning because of poker and timezones, I guess I'd have to concede that my workouts are going to be tougher/more shite in general in order to train fasted?

Re the 5 hour before bed eating thing, that's quite interesting actually. I also learnt in my sleep research that you should go to bed neither bloated nor empty, I feel like id be starving attempting to sleep after no having eaten in 5 hours. :s




2. Don't eat anything processed. Make sure all your carbohydrates are complex (only time you can break this rule is right after workouts). Avoid anything with artificial sweeteners, the science isn't out on all this, but all those sugar-free drinks are no good for fat loss.

Yep, diet seems to fit the bill so far!

3. Do HIIT for cardio, no long distance BS

You're 100% right that hiit is going to be the best form of cardio for fat loss, however I worry that my knees may not be up to the challenge - I need surgery on both to fix meniscal tears. I did some cardio a few weeks back, basically just ran on the treadmill for an hour and idk what happened but this caused my knee to be completely ****ed for about 10 days. No bikes in my gym either so I'm not sure what the best alternative would be here.

4. Superset everything during your workout, keeps the heart rate up.

can't argue with that! Initially I'd planned on doing super high intensity workouts, keeping reps low and weight high because I want to maintain strength numbers throughout this process - which seems difficult to pull off in terms of super setting. But again if I'm solely focussed on fat loss, this should not be a concern.

5. Supplements
- If you're ok with being sped up a bit, use a preworkout drink.
I can't live without the ****
- Fish/Krill Oil, 3-5g/day
- multivitamin for sure
- if you're drinking lots of caffeine, get an adaptogen like Ashwaganda.
cheers, ima go raid the supp shop tonight.

6. Water - it's so ridiculously important. Look up the guidelines for what is recommended for your weight and aim for the top end of whatever they suggest (even more if you're doing tons of cardio)
living in TL I wanna say I'm on top of the water thing at this point. Forcing mysel to stop drinking water at 8pm though so I don't have to get up to piss in middle of the night

7. Macros - everyone responds to everything differently, you can play with them to see what works for you. Since you're trying to get really lean really fast, start with something like (off the top of my head, there's prob better info available on the web)
-150g carbs
-200g protein
-40g fat

- See how your body responds and adjust accordingly. That's a pretty calorie-restrictive diet, if you're starving just adjust it to where you can stand it, and use that as your baseline. See how much you lose after 2 weeks and adjust cardio levels as necessary to make sure you are on track for the rest of the time period. I use the app mymacros+, just use that or another macro tracker. Track your food religiously, too many people f*ck around and guess, it's just a waste of time. Once you nail down what you're putting into your body, you can find out really easily where you want to be in order to hit your goals.

definitely fall into the camp of ****ing around and guessing. Mainly since it's quite hard to find macro information on everything I eat. I just had a friend rice for breakfast and have no idea what portion size it was. I also buy these garden/chicken salad things which also don't contain macro information. If I could make it more accurate I would, but at the moment I'm sticking with a pretty basic diet and imagine I'll start tapering calories by eating one or two less eggs a day, maybe cutting out X grams of chicken breast at night etc.

Notes:

*I don't know if you're allowing steroids for this, but I haven't taken anything since college and am out of the loop w/ them.
not planning on it!

*Drinking - obv the nut low for fitness goals but a couple times won't kill the program. Just the obvious, don't go drink 4000 calories of beer in a night. If you're gonna party, honestly blow or psychs are gonna be way better than booze

if I could find stims that actually work I'd not touch alcohol for the rest of the year but last time I tried buying some I got scammed by some Thai guy and **** didn't work. Plan at this stage is to just go out one time a month and binge like a mad man, like a proper end of month cheat day. But I worry not being smarter about it will be too much of a negative on the overall process that I end up failing.

I really think the macros and cardio and etc will be the easy part of all this, but it's stopping myself from sinking 40 beers in a night once a month that will make things more difficult. And I don't really enjoy shots whatsoever.

If anyone can sell me a giant bag of coke, I'll pay very good money for it!

Cheers again big boy
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:37 AM   #700
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Bottle of Sangsom and 7/11 protein shakes for chase. Really not rocket science.

Glad to see things going well, gl gl.
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