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Originally Posted by Oladipo
Hey Harvey! Don’t be offended as everything I am gonna day is obviously just what I believe. I won’t derail the thread with nutrition talk further after this post
It's not a derail at all! This thread isn't just about poker.
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, but saying there is “science behind” a fast or a diet doesn’t necessarily mean a thing (I do, for what it’s worth, believe in some benefits of fasting). There is science behind EVERY single diet! Yet none of them work, because they all are looking for a quick fix to something that requires permanent change
I'm not talking about diets here though, I'm talking about an eating frequency guideline (prolonged fasting, that's all it is). Whether you create permanent change or a habit doesn't really have much to do with whether you're eating 1 meal a day or whether you're a vegan.
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When I mentioned exercise and a diet earlier, it was because learning how to eat right and then implementing it is a habit, just like eating Pringles or ice cream or whatever is a habit too. To try to achieve a certain bf % by incorporating a diet is a fool’s errand, you will just end up putting it back on (or just be miserable fighting urges 24/7 until you give in) after a period of time.
This isn't some "diet" I'm just going to decide to stop one day. I've said a few times now that I want to develop a fasting focused lifestyle. Also fighting urges and cravings is not super difficult once you've beaten your food addiction, IIRC. But we'll see on that one.
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You (and everyone) should just start learning how to eat whole, unprocessed foods, and Eat only them, all the time, without worrying about calories or fasts or anything else. That is a permanent habit that anyone can make in their lives, and the results from it will blow everything else out of the water, because our bodies get fed what they need, and your whole attitude about food will change. You will feel better than you’ve ever felt, have less mood swings, more energy, better hard-ons, and your mind will work better.
I see your point but I personally disagree. Who's to say eating whole unprocessed foods all the time is better than fasting or looking at calories? The dietary advice we've been prescribed over the past 100 years is largely bollocks and the science is moving very quickly. Remember 10 years ago if you wanted to bulk up, what advice would you get? Drink a gallon of milk, 8 meals a day, loooads of carbs, and when your full, force-feed yourself some more. That was the conventional (bro)wisdom at the time, but no one knew better.
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Yet why can’t people do this? Why instead do they look for a quick fix? Because ACTUALLY making change in this realm takes a lifestyle change and people fail at it.
I'm not sure you understand what I'm doing here. This IS an actual lifestyle change. This is by no means a quick fix.
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It’s easier to convince ourselves we are doing something while on our diets.....and then months later, when we’ve made little or no progress, look for something else that works.
This "diet" is guaranteed to work, though. By definition.
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Weighing yourself while fasting is obv mostly water weight. My best friend fasted for 42 days lol and got pretty ripped but also looked bad. Sure you will lose fat but your bad habits will remain, going on a week long coke bender will make you lose fat too (as well as be a lot more fun).
Again, why do you assume someone can't make fasting a part of their lifestyle for any prolonged period of time?
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The only real solution to all this is to eat a (really) nutritional diet. The rest is just noise imo
How do you even define a really nutritional diet? Is eating steak, bacon, and eggs once a day nutritional? If not, why not?
Also man, I really do love and appreciate you making this post. This sort of discussion is exactly what I want on this thread and it's really good to have knowledgeable guys like yourself chiming in.
Sorry if I come across as super defensive or patronizing, I don't mean it.
<3
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Originally Posted by BigBananas
how many calories do you eat on avg/24 hours on OMAD? and what are the macros roughly?
I am still fasting so I'm not sure yet. My plan is to do the following... Once I break my fast over the next few days, I want to start training fasted and then eat immediately afterwards. Probably something like,
- 300g steak
- 4-6 fried eggs
- fkloads of bacon
It's all fat and protein so should stay in ketosis to keep burning that fat. Again this is one meal a day, 20 minute eating window. Probably the above is about 1500 calories?
I'll do that til I'm down to the bodyfat % I'm happy with and then I'll look to switch it up a bit. I'm not POSITIVE on how I want this "bulking" diet to work yet but what I'm thinking is,
Carbs first thing in morning, so like some fkn fried rice + pad thai or some ****, then hit the gym, then have the above 1500 calories afterwards... It'll make my eating window something like 5 hours instead of 20 mins because **** takes time to digest, but the carbs should give me some more strength in the gym and I imagine this will put me over caloric maintenance too. Then it basically just comes down to keeping a very close eye on the scale, setting set point weights and goal weights, mixing in some 48 hour fasts from time to time possibly too if I feel the fat is creeping up.
I do like the idea of not eating any carbs at all, but not sure how practical that'll be while bulking. I also like the idea of keeping everything to 1 meal AND training fasted. Ideally I'd train fasted and just ram like 2500-2800cals in in one meal after training - and tbh that might work fairly well... I'll still be in a caloric surpluss.
If anyone has any advice on which of these two approaches I should pick, lmk!
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Originally Posted by Sensimuse
Oladipo dropping the nut nutrition advice ITT. Good post.
+1
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
OP ded?
Not yet! 4 days in and feel a million bucks!
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Originally Posted by Darragh
Wp with the fast Meale! Sounds like you know your stuff about nutrition too which is refreshing. The benefits of autophagy and mitophagy are amazing along with the weight loss.
Sorry if this has been discussed before but how much should I except to pay for a 1 bedroom place in Pattaya near walking street?
GL with goals this year
Exactly!!!
Ummm, for a long term rental in central Pattaya you would probably be looking at the 15k mark. Really you could get something from 7k-22k baht per month, but it depends a lot on just how povo you wanna live. It also depends a bit on whether it's peak season or not etc etc. Check out The Base condo, I know a few poker players chillin in that one as we speak!
FOr 1 night, idk, pennies.
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Originally Posted by Fatboy54
Depriving the body of water for 6 days or longer is seriously dangerous and can do lasting damage to the body/organs.
You can take that to the bank; In the military, I was a sea survival instructor and used to teach this stuff professionally.
Obviously, every human is different and tolerances will swing massively, but if you are doing this stuff without medical advice, you are just playing Russian roulette with your kidneys.
I googled this dry fast stuff and sure on the internet loads of bedroom business bottom feeders are promoting stuff about it and other forms of extreme fasting...a lot of noise by a load of internet chancers does not add up to anything scientific.
TBC, I am as open-minded as anybody on here, hence I've spent 3-4 days looking for an opinion of dry fasting from what I would call a credible source. So far I've got squat, but anybody wants to post a link...I'll take a look for sure.
PS Funny, after all that reading, you know what impact it has left on me. I need to drink more water.
Hahah, yeah as I said there's really not much science out there yet. The research simply hasn't been done. The next best thing IMO is just looking at people who have done it and had results. Look at the Cole Robinsons, look at his clients, and decide for yourself. FWIW, Cole Robinson is doing some stuff that's probably as close to hard science as you get. He's done multiple extended fasts, had his bloods taken before and after, dexa scans, and does the full breakdown.
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
A quick google search showed a lot of chiropractors who disagree with you.
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Today was my birthday, the big 2-4. Went to Oasis Spa in Jomtien for a 2 hour deep tissue Thai massage thing because my sis got me a voucher for Xmas. Was the absolute nuts. Fkn expensive though that place, was like 4600 baht for that massage lmao. I got a comparable one for 300 baht on Beach Road.
Anyway, had my first coaching session with DownandUnder today, have a great big laundry list of **** I need to change in my game immediately. It's honestly so beneficial spending just 1 hour with someone who is better than you, you learn a lot. People say the best way to get good at poker is to consume all the free content, training sites etc, but I've always said, getting a good coach to straight up tell you what you're doing wrong and what to do to fix it is a hundred times higher EV.
Initially I'd planned on moving up to 5/10/20 when I play next, but I've decided I'll stay at 2/4/8 and do a bit of 4 tabling to implement these new tings before moving up. I'll be putting myself in a lot of uncomfortable spots and that COULD get expensive so I'm going to stay at 2/4/8 for a while longer.
Gameplan tomorrow is to do up a 2 week plan in my diary, I have a friend visiting from Aus on 15th, so I have to take that day off (I don't want to but told him last year I'd hang with him if he visited). So need to figure out my week around that. I have a couple sweat sessions I want to do with a couple of my players and I also need to finalise some book keeping stuff. Going to drag myself to the gym tomorrow and train fasted. Not going to eat til the day after I don't think.
Gl all.