Have to agree with @OldManDecaf regarding 5nlz. It is very nitty, there are a few solid adjustments I would suggest that I have been having decent results with.

1 - 4 bet bluffing in late position battles. People are actually 3 bet bluffing a fair bit in late position but no one is really 4 bet bluffing. It works because in the nitfest no one is 4 bet bluffing so 4 bets are treated with lots of respect. (Trapping with AA pre is very good as it becomes much harder for people to get away from their overpairs on dry boards.)

2 - Be selective about who you choose to stack off with KK. It is not an auto get in when people are not 5 bet bluffing all in and are folding AKo/QQ/JJ at a decent rate pre. If every time you stack off with KK you get shown AA then it is probably not just bad luck.

3 - People tend to let you know when they have a good hand on the turn. If you get raised on the turn you can pretty much autofold anything less than two pair. Same thing applies to river.

4 - The biggest one....in 3 bet pots people are generally not following through with river jams when they are bluffing. Most of the time they bet flop/turn and give up on rivers. It is rare to see AKo triple barrel on dry boards as a bluff. This lets us know that river jamming ranges are value heavy in 3 bet pots and we can overfold massively. Of course there are exceptions and times when we have to call down depending on villain but for the most part I think this is a very solid read. QQ on 551023r in a 3 bet pot facing a river jam is a very easy fold for the most part.

5 - With the rake you generally want to be doing a lot less calling pre, especially from the big blind. Very easy to leak money pre in Zoom. 3betting more is very good, especially when people are probably overfolding to 3 bets.

6 - Fish will have inelastic ranges on flops/turns very often. Overbetting on early streets for value is very profitable. For some reason it takes them getting to the river to realise their top pair bottom kicker is probably not good. Max out value as soon as possible.

7 - Checking out of position generates a tonne of aggression. A huge trend I am seeing is people just betting range when checked to in position in heads up pots. This is because people are check folding way too much. With this in mind you can get a lot of value from random hands/bluffs when you have top pair good kicker type hands that you wouldn't bet 3 streets with (even middle pair.)

8 - Bluff the regs. (with overbets)

9 - People are oversqueezing with broadways, if you start rejamming 88/99/1010 you are going to pick up a lot of dead money. Only do this against aggro villains, never versus the nits.

Hope this helps a bit, obviously this is very subjective and based on my experience but maybe can give you guys some new ideas about stuff.

@OldManDecaf Thanks for the tips. Actually, I tried to learn and play turbo STT and turbo MTTSNG a few years ago. On the STT front, did relatively well at the $1.50 level, got crushed at the $3.50 level. It was during the rakeback/SN/SNE times, so I´m pretty sure even the $3.50 level was already reg infested. Ran bad also (considering our lolev line).

Anyway, tried the nano MTTSNGs last year, 90 man and 180 man turbos up to $2.50, and found the level a joke. I guess without proper rb ppl either got out of the games, or loosened up without knowing exactly what they were doing (the early antes might have something to do with this also). Small sample obv, but playing a little looser but not that much at the early levels, a little more aggression, and being aware of push/fold strat (cev) was enough to get a nice roi.

I wish I had the patience and the free time to grind these games, pretty sure their profitability is way higher than cash at the unl level. Obv cash is more interesting.

@291 Good tips, agreed with everything. One reason you might want to 4bet them light is their ranges when they 3bet. It´s pretty weird. A lot of regs 3bet a linear range down to 55 when ip, instead of a normal polar range, and 3bet even Q3o sometimes sb vs btn for example. Opposite of what we´d expect lol. But there is some variability in this ofc, and it´s necessary to pay attention to the showdowns from time to time (easier at normal than zoom).

7 is a very profitable exploit I use a lot vs regs btw.

KK is not an automatic stackoff preflop vs regs, esp if you opened from EP, and esp in FR.

One general rule you guys might want to adopt when facing nits is to not bloat pots vs them in srp without a clear reasoning for doing that. The way to beat these guys is to win a lot of small pots vs them. 3bp is another story

Cheers

Some good tips. Obviously, me not playing poker anymore isn't one of them hahaha. My guess is spins would be among the softest formats, based on what I've seen in my limited experience with the lower level ones.

Think deepstack cash is probably the best way to get better at the game. Have an idea if you had the roll/time MTT's are probably the most profitable but the variance is very high. Think if you study ICM a lot you could gain a pretty big edge but the fields are so large in micro's it could be difficult to get consistent success to begin with. Also with cash once you get comfortable at a limit and have a consistent winrate you can make money whilst still improving/shot taking. Spins&gos are crazy soft but pretty boring. 6 max turbo sit&gos are extremely soft at micro level. Lots of punting and obvious mistakes on bubbles.

I think I never said this before here in my thread, but I love the fish. Have no better word to express how I feel about those generous souls who love to donate (when we finally understand what they are doing). I love them 1000000x. If I ever berate any fish again here in 2p2 or in any other forum where you may encounter me, plase call me an idiot (you may send a pm if you don´t want to say the word in public places).

Umm Fazendeiro, I think someone hacked into your account and posted this. Don't worry, I'll contact the moderators.

lol seriously, just one example, I think the guy from that HH you posted just moved up to 5nl fr. Btw, slightly bigger sizes on purpose, I revert to old blackrain mode on fun days and times to capitalize on the player pool drunkenness.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP: $9.28 (186 bb)
MP+1: $5.07 (101 bb)
LP: $9.56 (191 bb)
CO: $5.34 (107 bb)
BU: $2.68 (54 bb)
SB: $5.00 (100 bb)
BB: $5.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with A♣ A♥
Hero raises to $0.17, 1 fold, MP 3-bets to $0.55, 6 players fold, Hero 4-bets to $1.95, MP 5-bets to $9.28 (all-in), Hero calls $3.05 (all-in)

Flop: ($10.07) 9♣ 6♦ 7♣ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($10.07) K♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($10.07) 3♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.07 (Rake: $0.42)

Showdown:
MP shows A♦ Q♠ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 8%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

UTG (Hero) shows A♣ A♥ (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 92%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

UTG (Hero) wins $9.65

Heeeeyyyyyyyy!!!!! Stop stealing my villains!!!!!

Not many interesting spots today again. Fish saved the day tonight (thanks guys!), 10nl shot very small and during early morning went ok.

Weekend will be 5nl only, will try to put a little more volume. Hopefully, with some rungood, I may finish my personal challenge in the next few days

Results from today:



Cheers

Third unremarkable day in a row Won´t post cooler or bad beat hands obv. The changes I implemented in the small pots last month are still yielding very satisfactory results, and I have a feeling it helps a lot with the wr thing, all without risking my blueline.

Cheers

Losing day, but obv coudn´t expect anything different. It´s sunday

Vs fish, 30/10, fold3b only 31%. AF 1.4, so still on the passive side. Think I should have folded turn right? His range imo is smth like QQ-99, AJs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KTo+, QTo+ and JTo, and equilab says I´m winning 12.63% of the time. Folding river was a mistake (a close one) if this range is accurate as I got the right odds.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 7 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $1.04 (21 bb)
MP: $7.08 (142 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
CO: $4.78 (96 bb)
BU: $5.08 (102 bb)
SB: $5.49 (110 bb)
BB: $7.94 (159 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP+1 with A♠ K♥
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero 3-bets to $0.45, 4 players fold, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.97) 6♣ K♠ Q♥ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.31, MP raises to $0.62, Hero calls $0.31

Turn: ($2.21) T♦ (2 players)
MP bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.21) 9♦ (2 players)
MP bets $0.45, MP+1 (Hero) folds

Total pot: $4.21 (Rake: $0.17)
MP wins $4.04



Cheers

Updated 5nl graph. EV line still rising faster, so unless I get a nice heater (where is my rungoooooood??????????), it will get there first. No problem obv, but still want the $$$$$$$

Nice, except for those big dips haha But what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, right?

Seeing an insane amount of spew in 5nlz at the moment more than I have ever seen at reg tables, deffo recommend hopping in there

@PokerPhilosopher Hopefully one day we´ll find a way to make our poker graphs more stable Until this day, the only option is to keep grinding.

@291 Unfortunately I´m doomswitched right now lol. Seriously, beat and/or gross spots every 30-90 secs. At least 6-tabling FR allows me some time to absorb this and cooldown. Moving to a faster format would mean another 30bi ds, instead of a 3bi one like I am today, since I´d be already in a monster tilt and shoving atc like the guy from the other thread

This explains why I won´t move to zoom, even when it´s soft as ****

Hand of the day (vs big whale obv):

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 7 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $7.30 (146 bb)
MP: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): $5.00 (100 bb)
CO: $5.24 (105 bb)
BU: $5.98 (120 bb)
SB: $5.14 (103 bb)
BB: $4.76 (95 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP+1 with K♦ K♣
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Hero 3-bets to $0.67, 4 players fold, UTG calls $0.52, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.56) T♠ J♦ 5♠ (2 players)
UTG bets $6.63 (all-in), Hero calls $4.33 (all-in)

Turn: ($10.22) Q♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($10.22) 4♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.22 (Rake: $0.42)

Showdown:
UTG shows Q♣ 5♣ (two pair, Queens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 16%, Flop: 19%, Turn: 64%, River: 100%)

MP+1 (Hero) shows K♦ K♣ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 84%, Flop: 81%, Turn: 36%, River: 0%)

UTG wins $9.80

Won´t keep posting images anymore, too much in this thread already lol. Anyway, today´s session was a nightmare. Even with a small recovery in the end (was losing a little more than 5 BIs during the worst part of the day) still finished deep in the red.

Loss: ($18.33)
EV Loss: ($14.75)
Hands: 1814

Cheers

Ok, I can´t keep my promises for even a few hours

Decided to play one session more before bed, 9 tables instead of 6. Recovered a little bit of todays losses. Posting graph with my epic redline recovery towards the end of the day, just to brag obv.



Anyway, I will try again (not counting anymore) to be disciplined and not look at results or $. So, I won´t even browse 2p2 for the next 7 days, until next monday 20. If you notice a lack of updates or responses, that´s the reason. Don´t worry, I´ll be back

Btw, 9 tables is fine, not too fast like 12, not too slow like 6. Gives almost the same mental effect of playing 3 tables of zoom, but it´s still my dear fullring that I can´t stop playing. This way, I can play more with less time in front of the tables, and my game don´t deteriorate too much.

Aiming for 20k hands minimum (~3333/day) for the week (won´t play on sundays anymore, this time I´m serious).

Cheers

Another change of plans lol. This one might interest some of you guys tho.

Tried 5nlz, won a bi over 200 hands, still got tilted over so many spew and unreasonable aggressiveness (it´s tilting when being dealt hands almost every second), decided to quit and not play it again in the next few weeks at least. Moved to 6-max normal, and played a small session. Ran bad but whatever. Anyway, decided to finally grow some balls and self ban myself from FR for good. Now, I´m a 6-max normal tables reg only.

Unfortunately, can´t play more than 6-tables shorthanded, so volume will be more or less what you have seen so far, avg between 1500-2000 hands daily (4-5 hours of play, mostly early mornings and evenings).

So, 3 discipline goals for the week May 14 - May 21.

[ ] Not play fullring or any other poker variant and limit besides nlhe 6-max normal 5nl.
[ ] Not look at results from now on until last session of May, 21.
[ ] Not post for an entire week and keep away from pgc.

For each goal that I fail, I´ll send 5 USD to anyone who posted anything here in my thread until this post of mine and has a main stars client account. Will use a RNG, and no one can win more than once (eg, if I fail 2 goals, player1 wins first 5d, than he can´t win the second one).

Cheers

You should have started playing 6-max already, fr is dead on higher stakes.

Just a tip: don't change ur game much, 6-max is basically the same game as fr but as if the first 3 positions had already folded their range.

Keep making explo folds with overpairs when you see villains are nutted and keep calling in heavily bluffed spots, the only adjustment you should make is to go thinner for value because on average 6-max players are more sticky, so always go for that third barrel OTR with Tp second kicker/third kicker. Also keep playing tight from UTG/MP, rake is too high, but you can get away with wide opens fron CO/BTN/SB in the stakes you play.

Gl, man!

Vaaaamoooooo

Good luck with those goals, but I hope you understand that I hope you fail, so that I have a chance at that $5 hahaha. Of course, I'm kidding, I do hope you succeed with those goals. And good to see you finally switch full-time to 6max lol.

Hey guys, so here is the update:



Well, I knew I was on a rollercoaster obviously (you know when you´re losing or winning a lot of pots in a short # of hands), even without seeing results, but this graph made me laugh. Can´t say much, it was (hopefully) mostly variance, with a little bit of tilt. Not due to the cards, but to the way 6-max normal works (tables dying all the time) even as low as 5nl. More on this later.

Let´s go to the fun part:

**************FREEROLL**********************

[F] Not play fullring or any other poker variant and limit besides nlhe 6-max normal 5nl.
[X] Not look at results from now on until last session of May, 21.
[X] Not post for an entire week and keep away from pgc.

As you can see, I failed on the first one, as I played both zoom and FR. So, any 2p2 who posted here before my last post has a chance. The only eligibility requirement, besides having posted in my thread, is that you must have a stars main client account, as that´s the only way I can/will send the lifechanging amount of 5 dollars. So, if you have a stars main client account, please post here asap (I will give 48 hours) that you´re in, and then I will run the RNG to see who is the big winner. No need to send your stars sn in public, only the winner will (via pm obv).

Another relevant thing this week is that I finally decided to buy Peter Clarke´s course, and man, I really liked it. Will obv keep watching it (and updating my notes) as many times as possible. I always enjoyed his vids, and he has more or less the same "core strat/beliefs" as I do: we must learn GTO (or what seems to be the GTO) for each spot asap, we must learn a way to simplify to be able to apply it in real life games (I´m a normal human, not a savant), and we must learn when and how to deviate from it in order to exploit pool´s leaks.

Cheers!

@Rapidesh123 Thanks man! Unfortunately I can´t really stick to 6-max normal. It´s not that I feel I´m being badly exploited there (maybe I am a little bit), I actually felt pretty comfortable, but the tables dying all the time, on avg less than 1 minute after being waitlisted for 10-15 or more minutes, is sooooooooo tilting. This doesn´t happen in FR, not in that proportiuon. I guess the reason is the number of tables, FR has so few that ppl keeps playing even after the fish leaves, otherwise they won´t be able to play any volume.

I´ll probably go to zoom in the next days/weeks, but my love/hate relationship with FR is still going on with full force

Thanks for the tips, they really helped a lot.

@PokerPhilosopher Thanks. Yeah, unfortunately I can´t really play 6-max normal. The table dying thing is unbearable for me. Probably I´ll be joining you at the zoom pool sooner or later.

Is that course on RIO? I think I remember hearing about it. Do you need to buy a subscription, or is it a standalone course?

I know your pain with the tables breaking all the time lol. Look forward to battling you in the zoom tables soon hehe.

And of course, I'm in!

No need for a subscription, but you get an essential subscription with it anyway . It´s called From The Ground Up.

More beatings today lol. That´s the theme of this month: ups and downs forever.

But I won´t give up so, another session in a few minutes

So, PokerPhilosopher is the only one in for the freeroll at this moment, and will get the $5 variance free unless our remaining poker friends come here to tell me if they have a stars.com account and want to join this little game. 24 hours to go guys.

Cheers