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04-14-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPhilosopher
If you work on exploiting the bad reg, maybe you can cause them to lose more than the fish. But if you worked on exploiting the fish with the same effort, then you could probably cause the fish to lose far more.
You don't have time to exploit fish, since they're only around for 200 hands, while regs are around for 5k+.

That's why it can be more profitable to focus on exploiting bad regs.
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04-14-2019 , 07:34 PM
Solid win today. Being able to win $ in a sunday, after all my problems with this f****** day, is amazing, a big confidence booster I would say.



With yesterday+today results, RIO essential next payment is guaranteed

Now let´s grind 60d (40d for a 4 BI shot at 10nl and 20d as a buffer).

Cheers!
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04-14-2019 , 08:08 PM
Planning for this week:

Not looking at my results until sunday, focus on playing the best I can in all spots, have fun, not get too overwhelmed and allowing this game to interfere with any irl stuff and obligations, but not losing the motivation I have atm. If I fail and look at my results, I´ll post them as I (almost) always did.
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04-15-2019 , 01:30 PM
Nice job with the sunday win!
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04-15-2019 , 01:38 PM
which vids on rio are you watching? I had a sub but couldnt find it suitable for micros
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04-15-2019 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPhilosopher
Nice job with the sunday win!
tyty
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04-15-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Billion$Guy
which vids on rio are you watching? I had a sub but couldnt find it suitable for micros
Specific microstakes content, I think there are very few. Serge Pouliot made two where he played FR, at 10nl and 25nl if I´m not mistaken. There´s also a series by Galfond, reviewing a 10nl session.

Live play and session review, I usually watch one from ssnl once or twice a week. Even though the games may be a bit different, the concepts and thought process are mostly the same I think. Patrick Sekinger makes very good videos imo. I watch Peter Clarke also, sometimes Henry Lister etc.

The ones I really enjoy are the Learning Paths vids, as I think learning theory right now is the most important. I´m doing the entire series, watching at least 1 everyday with max attention and care.
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04-15-2019 , 02:41 PM
Quick note to myself, for the next time I move up: do one small warm up session lower, 2nl or 5nl, about 200-300 hands. And the obvious, not playing when tired.

Noticing a trend here where most of the mistakes I make occur at the first few hands of the day. Even when I watch a vid or play against snowie before starting the real session. So, playing smaller as a warm up should be a cheaper way to get ready for the real deal.
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04-16-2019 , 09:13 PM
Well, wasn´t planning to update this thread since I´m not looking at results (finally managed to keep myself disciplined), but would like to share 2 things.

1) Finally running well again vs fish. Give them a few bad beats and suckouts, and each one of them gave me a huge smile in my face. Smile of revenge lol.

2) Got a nice 600 starscoins + 1d chest today, first time ever.

So let´s play a final session before bedtime. If I manage to make one fish run away crying from their computers tonight, I will sleep like a happy man.

Cheers!
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04-17-2019 , 02:53 PM
Hahaha don't make the fish cry, then they won't want to donate to me!

600 starscoins? What chest level are you at? I'm only on the first (blue) ones. The first 3 chests made me get 2500 points to open. After that, the last few have only been 400. So should be moving up to the next chest soon. Don't know why the first few were so hard to unlock relative to the last few. Anyway, all I get are lousy 50 cent spin tickets lol. Although, my last one had a $5 prize, which I came in first to win. But I thought the starscoins were finished, cause I wasn't getting any in the chests.
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04-17-2019 , 03:36 PM
I´m on the brown ones (second level after the blue chests). Didn´t get any coins while I was grinding the blue ones, only spin and freeroll tickets. At this level they come as normal, coupled with cash rewards here and there.

Idk for sure since I´m not tracking it in any serious way, but it seems rb % increased a little bit.
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04-17-2019 , 05:08 PM
I'm on the brown ones now too. Just out of curiosity, how many points did your blue chests take (and brown)?
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04-17-2019 , 05:39 PM
Blue I really can´t remember anymore lol.

First brown ones were taking 500 (or a little more than that) I think. Now they are more difficult (I´m on the 9th, and it takes 5950). Btw, I think I´m supposed to get more starscoins now due to the increased requirements, so maybe that´s the reason for the one I got yesterday, but still it was a premium one (that explosion effect ).

For the lolz and whatever, just to show you guys how dead online poker is, esp fullring. Vs a reg.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 7 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $4.47 (89 bb)
MP: $5.19 (104 bb)
MP+1: $5.73 (115 bb)
CO: $10.68 (214 bb)
BU: $4.16 (83 bb)
SB (Hero): $5.87 (117 bb)
BB: $6.39 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A A
5 players fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BB 3-bets to $0.55, Hero 4-bets to $1.80, BB 5-bets to $3.05, Hero 6-bets to $5.87 (all-in), BB calls $2.82

Flop: ($11.74) T 5 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($11.74) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($11.74) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $11.74 (Rake: $0.49)

Showdown:
SB (Hero) shows A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 89%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BB shows 3 K (high card, King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 11%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

SB (Hero) wins $11.25
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04-17-2019 , 05:50 PM
Watch ishter's old videos. They are a must watch for micro/low stakes players. He gives a great foundation of solid play that you can adjust based on opponent tendencies.
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04-17-2019 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by IllSkill
Watch ishter's old videos. They are a must watch for micro/low stakes players. He gives a great foundation of solid play that you can adjust based on opponent tendencies.
+1

Watched a really good series by him on pf squeezing.
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04-17-2019 , 06:05 PM
Haha nice hand. Just got my first brown chest, and... just another spin ticket, and 50 cents in tournament cash? And 9 starscoins lol. Am I ever gonna get real cash (or even just more starscoins)? At least I'm killing it at the tables so far.

My brown chests are 750 points to unlock right now. Not looking forward to almost 6k though! I thought 2500 for the blues were bad enough.

And what happened to 6max? I thought you were just joking about the nitring prodigy title lol.
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04-17-2019 , 06:15 PM
Didn´t adapt to the format as quick as I´d like. But definitely I´m gonna try again later, this time normal tables. Just need to make some adjustments to my game. The first I´m already making at the FR tables: opening up my pf game. Went from 13/11/4 semi nit to 15/13/5 lol.
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04-17-2019 , 06:19 PM
About the real cash in the chests, there´s a little bit of variance in it, but keep playing and opening enough and you´ll find a nice surprise someday

Got 2 0.10 tournaments tickets btw. Can´t wait to play one of the 0.10 360 sngs. Hopefully it will be like I remember from the good old days: first few rounds everyone on the table shoving atc lol. Not a lot of $ EV, but definitely a lot of lolev.
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04-17-2019 , 07:35 PM
Ended up looking at my graph, just out of curiosity. Thought I was crushing the games really hard, BUT:



The thing with not knowing my results until now is: The downswing (mostly in aiev) didn´t affect my game, I didn´t even notice I was losing. Whatever. Sad news: Unless I really crush the next few days, move up next week won´t be happening.

5nl updated graph. Chances of hero getting 100 bis at this stake are getting higher and higher.



GL! Hope everyone crush the games and make fish run away crying (after losing a lot of $ to you guys ofc ).
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04-18-2019 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
My main point is, that you usually have 1k+ hand samples on regs and will continue to play vs them for months/years. So if you find a way to exploit them you can make a lot vs them over time.

While fish... You usually don't get more than 200 hands on them before they disappear for ever and they all play a bit different. Some bluff way too much postflop, some never bluff... Trying to exploit a specific fish is pretty pointless.

If you want to beat the games and move up, you should probably focus on beating the regs.
Have to disagree with this, especially at 5nl. The really crushing win-rates at 5nl come from making quick adjustments against the fish. I feel like you are trying to say that the regs have leaks which can be more consistently exploited over time (e.g. betting too much on the turn and getting to the river with a weak range = check folding) which is definitely true. Once you see these leaks it becomes relatively easy to exploit but this in no way compares to fish stacking off super light all over the place which happens pretty often. If you sit down at 4 tables for an hour your guaranteed to come across this and if you adjust quickly your going to do well. You really want to focus on these players as they are going to make huge mistakes rather than small mistakes.

It can be high variance but at the end of the day if you are consistently getting it in good against these players the variance is actually pretty low. One really important thing to look at is if how the other regs are going for value against these players and it will become more obvious when regs are going for value against you.

ZKesik is right that some regs will make you more money over time. When you really understand their tendencies it feels like you can see their cards sometimes.

One thing to remember Faze is that most of the pool is losing and you are a winning player, if you are breaking even/down-swinging one of the best things you can do is stick to a limit for a while and get some solid wins over a decent sample. This will help re-assert fundamentals and gain some confidence.
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04-18-2019 , 08:25 PM
My biggest problem with fish is how unpreditable they are. Over the long term I know we should crush them due to how bad their overall strategy is, but it´s tilting when we run bad vs them. And tilt leads to bad play.

Other issue, which I think ZKesic posted itt, is how unique many of them are, and how they come and go to never return. So while I agree that the way to beat them is to quickly adjust, to do it while playing, at least for me, would require no multitabling (I play 6 normally). Which is fine but I think I would lose in other areas, like improving my overall game, which I do by studying and playing the most volume I can.

But my comments about avoiding them might be a little biased by the runbad/playbad at 10nl. They basically do the same weird stuff here at 5nl. So maybe the higher buy-in was affecting me. Idk.

Anyway, I´m on a small downswing atm, 4 bi down since monday, so unless I make A LOT the next few days, no moving up next week. Which is fine, 5nl in fun despite the recent developments lol.

Cheers!
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04-18-2019 , 08:31 PM
And I agree 291, about staying for a while at the limit I know I beat until I get full confidence and improve my game more and more (for a cheaper price).

I´d love to improve my wr here, and I really think my game is improving a lot the last few months. Hopefully it will show up in my results sooner rather than later.
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04-18-2019 , 10:23 PM
And that´s how the day ended. Very fishy tonight, and despite one big pot where I just screwed up vs a reg, for the rest of the day my play seemed fine. Lots of average to difficult spots, but I think I navigated them without making too many mistakes.



Gave up on moving up to 10nl next week. Instead gonna try and stay the next 10 days without looking at my results (lol????). As I always say here, it helps a lot my game when I can stay away and resist the temptation. And it doesn´t mean I won´t review HHs, I´m talking only about the money and the graph.*

*But I´m being too lazy the last few days and not reviewing any HH. Have to change this asap.

Quick note, just to finish the day. I was working mostly with snowie ranges for the microstakes, which, for anyone who looked at them, are very tight. I can understand (and agree) with their reasoning for this. Rake. But there´s just one problem: snowie assumes that, no mather how small we are playing, all our opponents are optimal bots, so we either play the tighter ranges or we´re gonna lose $ after rake. Obv this is not realistic.

Atm I´m working into adding a few smaller pps for the set value into early positions, as it seems they are one of the best hands to have against fish and weaker regs when we flop a set. Not overdoing it, just instead of opening only TT+ from utg for example, I´m now opening 77+, and then increasing the number the more we get closer to the BTN. Keeping the remaining no pp hands as close as possible to snowie.

What do you guys think? Are pps the best hands to add in soft games? I was thinking about one or two combos of lower scs like 65s, but everyone seems to agree they don´t play well oop. Snowie likes suited aces, as I do, due to the nut potential, but they are not enough I think to maximize ev. And sets play almost by themselves ip or oop.

Cheers!

Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 04-18-2019 at 10:36 PM.
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04-19-2019 , 03:55 AM
Definitely agree fish are unpredictable. Yesterday I saw a fish limp jam over a small iso with AA 700bb deep and stack KK...not something you really expect to happen. It's also very easy to get some biased opinions about them, when you lose multiple buy-ins to fish who have ranges you can't even comprehend it can make you a little cautious. One important thing to do is not project the range you would have in their spot and really try and keep an open mind to the ranges they can actually have.

77+ seems solid as a general open. The main consideration is actually the table dynamic.

1- How passive/aggressive are the players behind you? Are you going to be 3 bet at a decent clip and have to fold or are the players passive and you will see a decent amount of flops?

2 - Who is in the BB? Is it a passive reg who will let you get to showdown on a J high board? Is it a fish who will overfold on A high flops to cbets?

3 - If you get called what are your implied odds? Are there players who are stacking off way too light with top pair? This significantly increases the profitability of the open with all pocket pairs.

Suited connectors are okay to open occasionally from early position for board coverage but again it depends on the table dynamic. It's worth noting, unlike suited Aces where you can flop nut flush draws and flush over flush people, suited connectors can have a tonne of reverse implied odds on tables where a lot of the action is going to be multi-way post flop.

Considering all these things your best bet is to have a general plan for opening and then deviate depending on the table. Whenever you deviate you want to have a specific reason for doing so.
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04-19-2019 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
and despite one big pot where I just screwed up vs a reg, for the rest of the day my play seemed fine.
You seem kind of nonchalant about losing a big pot. Just for the sake of argument, let's say you play 5k hands a day. Let's say you lose your stack once a day from screwing up. That's a -2 bb/100 hit to your winrate. Just saying.. hahaha. I don't know if that's an issue for you, but something to keep in mind.
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