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07-10-2019 , 07:42 PM
@PokerPhilosopher If an exploit auto-profits, then all of a sudden stops to auto-profit especially when you´re actually playing tighter, it is variance . I would try to explain in words to yourself why it makes sense. If you can, and are satisfied with the english explanation, than keep doing it no matter what the short term results tell you.

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Not happy with my play, made a pretty terrible (would say dumb) mistake. Anyway, games were fishy tonight and I made it back then some more.



Cheers
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07-11-2019 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPhilosopher
Reminds me of the time I did the same thing at nl5z. Just spent awhile checking everything on the flop. But I was more extreme and didn't give any aggression until the river. Actually seemed to do pretty well during that small 5k hand (or so) sample.

Now, I cbet close to 100% on the flop (with a small size), cause the population overfolds. I'm trying now to figure out flop/turn/river sizings in which they overfold all streets (or at least flop and turn for now). They overdefend the turn vs small flop/small turn cbets. Trying to mix in some slight turn overbet cbets now (after the small flop cbet). Haven't looked at those results yet, but seems like I may be getting a lot of folds with those.
Checking the flop is powerful because people very often tell you what they have on turns/rivers and you get to bluff very efficiently.

I know that I get a lot of turn folds when I overbet in position after cbetting small on the flop. It usually comes down to choosing cards that are better for my range after betting flops with a small size on a board where they will have a lot of marginal hands that they have to defend with but then are forced to fold turn versus a larger sizing at a range disadvantage. Kind of simplified, but pretty effective.
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07-11-2019 , 05:19 PM
Hello guys, time for my daily update.

Couldn´t win any reasonably sized showdown tonight, so ended up with this weird graph Still happier with my play today, seemed better than yesterday. Hopefully I´ll be able to get back on track on this weekend.



Cheers
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07-12-2019 , 09:15 PM
Despite a few swings here and there, pretty uneventful day. Can´t complain really.



Cheers
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07-13-2019 , 07:19 PM
Hello 2p2,

So today I spent a good portion of my day thinking about how biased I am. How unreliable it is to use the information I´m "seeing" and "feeling" while playing as a basis to develop a strategy, or counterstrategies. Not saying it can´t be done, but I can´t do it properly. Maybe I´m not smart enough .

I think I´m playing way better, and also feeling way better while playing (mentalgame-wise), by focusing in only a few lines which not only work, as my db tells me, but also make sense. Even better now that I stopped saying how I hate fish, how I´d love to play on tables with 100% regs etc lol.

Now, I should find a way to bring all of this to 10nl, so I can finally stop the bleeding there



Cheers
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07-14-2019 , 06:12 PM
Still running good



Volume slowly improving. Let´s see if I can put a 2k+ hand/day this week (or, better yet, a 3k day). It would be really great.

Cheers
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07-15-2019 , 09:15 PM
Took a shot at 10nl today. It was small and controlled, 2 tables of 10nl + 4 tables of 5nl, on the soft times and tableselecting hard enough. Went fine.



From tomorrow til Thursday will play 5nl only, then will take another one Friday. Still need to make sure all strat work and gameplans are on my unconscious level, so better to practice more and don´t rush as I did so many times before.

No updates until Friday. Last but not least, still below 2k hands, but volume better than yesterday

Cheers
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07-15-2019 , 09:54 PM
Btw, 10nl feel so unbelievably nitty, almost painful. The few good tables always have huge lines. Starting to think the whole “I can’t win bc of the fish at 10nl”, or “I crush regs and fish crush me” is bs, my mind doing tricks vs me. I was probably doing the wrong adjustments all these shots, bc I misread regs being more sticky as fishy tables.

I feel the way to win is finding a way to exploit those nits and tags. There is way less fish than I would like to believe The regs were just exploiting me lol

Cheers
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07-15-2019 , 10:01 PM
If ppl are playing tighter/better ranges, it should be quite obvious they won’t overfold like they do at 5nl
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07-17-2019 , 06:03 PM
I know I said no updates, but reached a new milestone so had to celebrate: 120 BIs at 5nl (600 USD). Ok, aiev got there, but real $ is close so I´ll take it

Btw, having this thread, keeping it alive and having followers has been really good on my motivation and is one of the key reasons I changed my old bad mental habits. Thanks guys!



Cheers
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07-17-2019 , 07:59 PM
GL Dude !
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07-18-2019 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DawajHAJS!!!
GL Dude !
tyty
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07-18-2019 , 07:33 AM
Conrgats dude,

Deffo advise to move up and just keep playing there until you crush it (sounds like you have the bankroll).
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07-18-2019 , 08:53 AM
tyty @291.

I´m feeling more comfortable at 10nl right now, but I cashed out 50% of my roll so I´m a little bit underrolled

Still taking shots almost everyday, 2x 10nl + 4x 5nl or even 3x 10nl + 3x 5nl. Will do a review and post a few hands later today.

Roll is at 375 if I´m not mistaken, so I´ll be more aggressive with my shots as soon as it reaches 400.

Cheers
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07-18-2019 , 08:03 PM
Roll at 398 (bought a 10 USD starscoin reward to speed up the process but whatever), so full shots at 10nl from tomorrow on. Will keep playing 5nl saturdays and sunday afternoons due to the old mental block (long time readers know what I´m talking about ). Also, might skip 10nl afternoon sessions during my free afternoons as the games get too weird/aggressive to the point villains seem on drugs, and I don´t want to play higher variance games until my roll gets more comfortable.

Last 3 sessions:



Tried to look at interesting hands, but unfortunately I only got this one. Vs very aggro reg, not sure if this line is profitable in the long run, but from my observations + a few threads about how 10nl aggro regs play 3bp in general, and my pokersnowie training, it seemed a spot where they are overbluffing pretty heavily after I call the flop cbet with a lot of big Ax combos. Obv the A would be a pretty bad card when he kept barrelling, even a K would be bad imo. River overbet would also be bad. Other than that, on this runout I think my call wasn´t -EV. What do you guys think? Does the paired board on the flop changes smth for better or worse? If yes, why?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.50 (105 bb)
UTG+1: $8.92 (89 bb)
MP: $11.05 (111 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): $10.15 (102 bb)
CO: $19.18 (192 bb)
BU: $17.31 (173 bb)
SB: $19.08 (191 bb)
BB: $15.95 (160 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP+1 with 9 9
3 players fold, Hero raises to $0.24, 3 players fold, BB 3-bets to $0.90, Hero calls $0.66

Flop: ($1.85) 7 7 5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.05) T (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.05) Q (2 players)
BB bets $4.34, Hero calls $4.34

Total pot: $14.73 (Rake: $0.66)

Showdown:
BB shows J A (a pair of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 24%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) shows 9 9 (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 56%, Flop: 76%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins $14.07

Cheers

Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 07-18-2019 at 08:10 PM.
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07-19-2019 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 291
Checking the flop is powerful because people very often tell you what they have on turns/rivers and you get to bluff very efficiently.

I know that I get a lot of turn folds when I overbet in position after cbetting small on the flop. It usually comes down to choosing cards that are better for my range after betting flops with a small size on a board where they will have a lot of marginal hands that they have to defend with but then are forced to fold turn versus a larger sizing at a range disadvantage. Kind of simplified, but pretty effective.
Depending on my holdings (strong range), I have found this to be effective at 5nl and 25nl Zone. Remember, if sitting at reg table, doing this frequently will cause players to adjust.
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07-19-2019 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Roll at 398 (bought a 10 USD starscoin reward to speed up the process but whatever), so full shots at 10nl from tomorrow on. Will keep playing 5nl saturdays and sunday afternoons due to the old mental block (long time readers know what I´m talking about ). Also, might skip 10nl afternoon sessions during my free afternoons as the games get too weird/aggressive to the point villains seem on drugs, and I don´t want to play higher variance games until my roll gets more comfortable.

Last 3 sessions:



Tried to look at interesting hands, but unfortunately I only got this one. Vs very aggro reg, not sure if this line is profitable in the long run, but from my observations + a few threads about how 10nl aggro regs play 3bp in general, and my pokersnowie training, it seemed a spot where they are overbluffing pretty heavily after I call the flop cbet with a lot of big Ax combos. Obv the A would be a pretty bad card when he kept barrelling, even a K would be bad imo. River overbet would also be bad. Other than that, on this runout I think my call wasn´t -EV. What do you guys think? Does the paired board on the flop changes smth for better or worse? If yes, why?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 8 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.50 (105 bb)
UTG+1: $8.92 (89 bb)
MP: $11.05 (111 bb)
MP+1 (Hero): $10.15 (102 bb)
CO: $19.18 (192 bb)
BU: $17.31 (173 bb)
SB: $19.08 (191 bb)
BB: $15.95 (160 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP+1 with 9 9
3 players fold, Hero raises to $0.24, 3 players fold, BB 3-bets to $0.90, Hero calls $0.66

Flop: ($1.85) 7 7 5 (2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.05) T (2 players)
BB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.05) Q (2 players)
BB bets $4.34, Hero calls $4.34

Total pot: $14.73 (Rake: $0.66)

Showdown:
BB shows J A (a pair of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 44%, Flop: 24%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

MP+1 (Hero) shows 9 9 (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 56%, Flop: 76%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

MP+1 (Hero) wins $14.07

Cheers
If you have the proper stats on villain, that was great play.
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07-19-2019 , 06:33 PM
Decided to play a full 10nl day today. Things are going well atm, despite a setback during my afternoon session when tables were full of angry aggro regs high on cocaine lol. Didn’t get frustrated or made any spewing, so that’s a plus. And sometimes it happens at 5nl so the only issue really is the higher buy-in and the fear factor. Regs won’t play softer vs me just bc I’m taking a shot, so if I really want to move up, it’s better to get used to it and act like a grown up.

I’ll probably make a final session, so no results yet.
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07-19-2019 , 06:42 PM
@FutureInsights 3bet 7%, af 4.1 and flop cbet 69%, about 700 hands. This was enough (to me) to categorize the guy on the aggressive side. The rest were assumptions obv Still, if I’m really right, and he’ll triple barrel full range, 99 seems profitable. The main scare card being obv the A bc it hits a lot of combos on his bluff 3bet range.
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07-19-2019 , 06:47 PM
Also think he would keep betting a 3rd spade on the river, and I would be forced to fold right?
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07-19-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Depending on my holdings (strong range), I have found this to be effective at 5nl and 25nl Zone. Remember, if sitting at reg table, doing this frequently will cause players to adjust.
If you are playing approximately balanced in these situations, then it becomes increasingly impossible for them to "adjust" in any meaningful way for themselves.
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07-19-2019 , 09:28 PM
So, today I played 1727 hands total, wwsf on my good range for full ring (47.5), wtsd at 26.2, w$sd at 62.2, aaaaaaaand, you guessed correctly, lost 8.02 dollars. One big pot where I admit I misplayed vs a nitfish, but mostly redline losses. Happy that they weren´t due to poor blind play or postflop, spots where I´m paying a lot of attention, but mostly due to facing an unbelievably high amount of 3, 4 and 5bets especially in the afternoon and also on the last session.

Not sure yet if I´ll follow the original plan of grinding 5nl on weekends, or growing some balls and jumping into 10nl. One thing I´m sure, even if 3/4/5 bets are still very profitable, I have to reduce a little bit my aggression, especially from my " good friends" SB and BB.

A drop in fold vs 3bet from 5 to 10nl, even when it´s still high, coupled with crazier aggro regs, means I´ll be having those stretches where aggression doesn´t work much more often, ppl fight me back at every possible hand, and it´s tilting as ****. Variance, and they probably have what they represent, but too hard on the mental side. My postflop game seems fine, so I´m pretty sure the day would be way better if I kept my cool preflop and focused on the profitable postflop spots to maximize the EV over there.

Anyway, the graph:



Cheers

Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 07-19-2019 at 09:35 PM.
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07-19-2019 , 09:55 PM
Or maybe the problem is that I’m not ready for 100% 10nl days and I’m still unconsciously overadjusting. Hoping 1 day was not enough to insert bad habits into my strategy, or else I’ll be forced to drop down for the 234567th time lol.
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07-21-2019 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Or maybe the problem is that I’m not ready for 100% 10nl days and I’m still unconsciously overadjusting. Hoping 1 day was not enough to insert bad habits into my strategy, or else I’ll be forced to drop down for the 234567th time lol.
So, you have a solid opening strategy and post flop strategy, position in mind, I hope.

On ignition, in Zone games, there are always raises at 5nl. In fact, I will not play a hand that I can not call a raise or 3 bet with. The tables are 6 max. ag factor is at least 3 there (mine is).

A little less snowie for the micro stakes. more actually reviewing hands in a replayer in your hud. Have tags for mistake, weak play, tilt, opponentbluff, my bluff, etc. Use equilab more than snowie to get those equities down, and study the pot odds and equity ratios in the hud while replaying hands.

Learn how to play with aggro opponents. If you do it right, it can be profitable. I am still experimenting with 5nl, though rolled with more than 30 buy ins for 25nl (all zone). This past week, ran 11+bb/100. Today made a mistake, because misread the bet amount, but recuperated to small profit.

I also limit sessions to 30 minutes, a little more or less. Working up to two hours per day. Consistency is more key than gto strategies at these levels.

I recommend these videos, they are for fast fold. But you can see the strategy there. And keep to the warm ups recommended in The Mental Game.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIz...pPFYNMw/videos

Try a little fast fold poker at 5 nl to solidify the strategy. Its basic. If the aggro maniacs are trying to overcompensate gto at 10nl, or they think you are new and a fish, we need to adjust here, and some practice outside of snowie would be better. Use equilab for your drills.
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07-21-2019 , 07:43 AM
Yeah, I think preflop is my strongest game atm

Agree 100% that reviewing hands is extremely important, and having time limits for sessions (while 30 minutes seems too short lol, from experience I know I handle up to 60 minutes very well).

Following snowie to the letter while playing 5/10nl is a recipe for disaster, not bc it´s not strong (it is and it would crush the games imo), but bc this is impossible for a human, strategy too complicated. Yet, knowing the basics and having a default strategy based on the bot still seems good. Trying not to make actual blunders helps a lot, and I´m doing a lot, so I should get back to the lab.

My best days are the ones I can stay at the extra-terrestrial level not exceeding much higher than 1 in the point system. I got lazy and stopped doing this consistently while the upswing was running. Now that I´m downswinging, due to my laziness before, confidence dropped

Agreed about equilab as part of my toolkit, and I use it a lot actually.

Thank you very much for the tips @FutureInsights, and will def check the vídeo content.

Cheers
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