Actually, the word is not jealousy, I think I´m better than that. More like enviousness. Anyway, finding good examples and using it as a motivator to improve can´t be a bad thing, right? What do you guys think about that?

Thanks for the RIO suggestion Fazendeiro. Unfortunately, I don't have a RIO subscription. Any summary of the video lol?

And yeah, that's a good motivator haha

Well, first he starts with the obvious and sad truth that statistically most ppl who grind poker should eventually fail. Then he goes after a few cycles that he observed (mostly on his students but it happens with a lot of ppl including myself).

The most important, and the one which I´m most guilty, is the running away to get back. We suck with a very low winrate, which means high variance, yet instead of solving the real problem (the low wr), we put volume. Then the runbad comes, we get frustrated til quitting. Then, after a few weeks (months, years), we feel highly motivated again and come back. Obv any progress no matter how small is gone, and we begin with a low wr and the cycle keeps going on.

The other I remember quite vividly bc of some past arguments we had about you going away to develop new Philosopher-GTO preflop unexploitable strat lol , is the hiding in learning. Bad results leads to going away to the lab. Unfortunately, this goes too extreme and too far for quite some time, leading to few or zero practice (learning a new thing and being able to effectively putting it in practice under stress, a clock, variance etc are very different things), and we get rusty in the gring leading to worse results than before.

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So, decided to do a study on how I´m doing vs the top 10 winrate guys at 5nlfr and the top 10 at 10nlfr. Must say I was expecting smth like be or slightly winning due to my (misguided?) focus on training etc, while most of them are pretty abc from what I can tell. You know what I find? I´m winning. A lot. Ok ok we have to adjust this a little bit, not exactly subtracting the blinds as sometimes we play from them and win, but the number is obv a bit lower. The point is: It´s still big.

I used as a filter only the vs option of hem2, then accumulated bbs won and # of hands. I´ve won 13860.98 ev bbs over 6181 hands (anyone knows which adjustments I should make to get this comparable to actual winrate?). Lifetime.

Then, just as a reality check, choose 2 random fishes I remembered the sn (bc smth bad happened vs them lol) and, surprise surprise, I´m losing vs them over a small number of hands.

The point is: My focus seems to be too wrong. These guys are (most likely) not better than I am right now, yet probsbly by bumhunting a la blackrain79 plus a solid mental game, they are destroying the games while I´m getting meh results.

Edit: I think I know the adjustment: get the actual # of hands I have on them (the vs number plus all the hands both of us folded pre) and then calculate the actual winrate. No need to subtract blinds I guess. Anyway, a hugely positive ev bb number is still a positive number regardless of hands. Besides that, the point remains that when I fought them (or they fought me back), on avg they lost.

Surely what you’re looking at is greatly affected by variance in such a small sample? You should use your time improving your game and not focusing on performance vs some 5nl reg.

Yep, agreed. Though it considers a lifetime db of 1.4M hands total and is a group of 19 players (one of the big winners of 5nl is also a big winner at 10nl, the others are different players ), is only the hands we actually played vs each other and is spaced over years. It´s hugely green on my side vs all 19.

Anyway, while I won´t state it openly, they have postflop leaks in spots where snowie strat pretty much murders them But the preflop game is good enough so they aren´t the ones I would massively exploit with 3b/4b etc.

What I was trying to imply is that bumhunting should be an integral part of the strategy, especially now with the table cap (for the reg table guys), otherwise winrates gonna be low and the grind gonna take forever (and it´s taking forever right? ).

Actually by actively changing my style to exploitative-100% lines ev-maximizer when facing recs, I´m seeing improvements. Still find difficulties in adjusting forward and back to snowie at the same time during a session, feels like multitasking. And obv it has to be done quickly and effortless, so it´s a skill I need to develop and integrate into my game asap.

Ppl told me this itt (and before) many, maaaaaany times before, besides poker content obv. And I knew obv. Yet my mind too slow and I had to grind til end of July, 2020 to realize this simple poker truth: the real money in poker come from recs + solid mental game.

My approach still will include theory study, RIO and Snowie. Just want it to be more balanced with a decent part attacking that weakness. Also, will recommend this again to anyone with a RIO subscription: watch the Peter Clarke vid I recommended a few posts before. It´s really good.

There is some chance some of those guys are 2p2ers, so to make it clear, don´t take it as a disrespectful jealousy brag. To me, while becoming better daily is important for moving up someday, they have biiiiiiiiiig winrates, and this is by far the most important item (IMHO). I´m envious of all of them, and honestly and humbly aspiring to surpass their winrates one day.

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How have you found snowie as a tool? Useful? How many hands have you played vs snowie (and what is your profit in those hands)? Do you think it has made you a better player?

It's a useless filter. It does in no way show you anywhere near the actual results against the player. It's only good for finding hands you both were involved in.

@Subtle In most standard spots it seems to play very solid. Definitely useful, after the first 2 months getting used to it I´ve found an immediate improvement at (lol) 5nl. After this sharp increase, it´s been a slow but steady improvement (I feel that at least) with setbacks sometimes but in no way I think my game worsened, I lost any feel etc. Negative, the only one is I feel lost vs weird stuff by recs.

Don´t know the exact # of hands, but is around 60k. Uninstalled and installed again, had 2 computers before this one and do not keep the full db as a result. Anyway, 1) when in training mode I use the live advice and memorize what happens and 2) variance, so the profit/loss would be misleading anyway. I´m not exactly exploiiting snowie weaknesses nor trying to actually win money-wise.

I also do tests weekly, with the live advice off to watch progress. Not winning, but I´m more concerned with the overall rating when doing it. Have about 2820 hands of tests here, losing 54.27 (NL20 only). Not exactly on the 0 mark of the rating snowie gives me ofc, so in theory my ev is negative anyway.

Subjective but my answer is yes, I think I´m better now than I was before subscribing to snowie the first time.

@ment52 yes, no way I have an insane winrate vs them. Doesn´t invalidade the fact that A) in hands we played vs each other, I´ve taken their $, B) the losses come from elsewhere. It includes spots where I was the BB or SB and folded vs a raise of them, and any pot we played including multiway, so while I realize it´s more complicated than that, should be enough for grading purposes.

I swear I remember a hem2 feature where I could see in a table the actual performance vs other players, but it seems to be gone. not sure if it gave the same results as with this filter.

If @ZKesic still here, I remember you mentioned in your thread about analyzing your performance vs regs in your games, and you have hem2 also right? How did you do it?

Thanks for posting a summary of the video Fazendeiro. Guilty as charged! Haha

Absolutely not. Just to prove a point, I'll take it to the extremities. If you only play AK+QQ+, that stat will show you as a huge winner against everyone, as it does not not account for folding preflop. While anyone playing you HU would murder you raising every hand, that illogical stat would still show you that you're winning lots.

I looked at your play-through video for 10 minutes and your mistakes are fundamental. Instead of wasting your time with solvers or whatever you should watch a couple of nl100 vids from like 2010 on how to exploit fish and your winrate would skyrocket.

@ment52 Totally agree with you about it not being worth too much thinking other than curiosity and finding more efficient spots to focus my effort. But just for the sake of keep this argument a little bit longer it does include folds from the blinds. If those guys were seated in a position where they could always try to steal my blinds, and if I always folded everything but AA and never playing anything else from any position, I´m sure I´d show a loss on that vs player filter.

Will def look for those vids, also looked at some old threads (as I said before, got huge inspiration from magorko, who seemed to be a master in exploiting fish on his fullring days, and there are many HHs there), and I tend to agree reducing time with solvers would help (though I still think there are merits in combining them with database analysis and nodelocking and building hugely exploitative strategies).

Thank you and GL!

Lost patience and just deposited a 10nl nitty roll, so my last excuse for not moving up is over. Still allowed to play lower if games are terrible or if my game feels terrible lol, but for the most part, this should do the job.

Hopefully will also get the big depositor boomswitch.

Cheers

I hope it goes well for you. You put a lot of work in it seems so I can’t see how you have issues. Do you play with BB’s set as opposed to $?

Yeah, always BB. It´s weird but I´ll tell you it solved 50% of my mental game problems as soon as I learned about that feature on the software. Simply bc I lost touch with money and 5nl and 10nl unconsciously started to feel the same.

Thank you very much!

I switched over to using BB too a while ago, and it certainly helped me too when I moved up to 10NL. It’s weird because the money involved isn’t a lot to me in the grand scheme of things, but not seeing the $ amount for sure helped me. I’ve recently moved up to 25NL and I know 100% looking at BB has contributed to me having minimal tilt.

Hello friends, time for an update. Just decided I´m gonna post the graphs for this month, and the graph since the beginning of this thread. Contrary to what I said before, gonna close this pgc thread and create a new one. Reasoning being this thread is a mess (my fault) and my OCD makes me tilt any time I come here to read and/or update

This month:


The thread:


So, even though my results above 5nl are pretty meh, I´m more confident, I think I improved, and I made a nice profit for uNL standards. Mental game improved also, at least in game. I stopped coming here to cry and make tilt posts like complaining about fish and wishing games were always reg infested lol. Etc and etc. Only concerning thing really was blowing up after that idiot troll, but I already forgave him and don´t even think much, other than trying to learn my lessons and not doing it again.

Thank you very much poker friends, and I will put the link of the new thread here as soon as I create it.

Cheers

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...g-win-1775081/


Link to the new thread.