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Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr
What do you think of the recent accusations from Rob? How clean do you think are the games in pokerstars?
For those who aren't aware, the gist of the accusations are "The last two WCOOP ME winners (SvZff and wann2play) cheated/were ghosted." PS confiscated the funds of 'wann2play' but nothing has been confirmed about SvZff. Don't think it's fair for me speculate because I don't know the guy/am unfamiliar with his game. Will say that a few people I know/think are reputable did vouch for him. But would I be surprised if an unknown/random grinder in a similar spot was guilty? Not in the slightest. And that's not meant to be a knock on SvZff, it's more of read on the general reg population being scumbags with little to no sense of morality.
So are the games clean? Let me answer that this way:
Currently the Coronavirus scare has people in a tizzy and one of the main defenses is to frequently wash your hands. If you just look at your hands, they probably don't appear to be dirty. I mean, most people wouldn't walk around with visible stains, but a lack of visible stains doesn't mean bacteria isn't present. And if you put those same hands under a microscope, you'd find out the truth --
They're ****ing filthy.
That's how I feel about the state of the games; while they might appear clean ish, there's a whole lot of filth hiding in plain sight.
Ghosting is incredibly common, either between friends/individual players or within a more organized group (i.e. stables). Don't want to name names, but I've been:
1) Asked to ghost players on several occasions (I declined)
2) Told that others (including previous backers/coaches/friends) would 'always' do it
Stars does a better job policing the game than other sites (I'm look at you, Party) who removed tools needed to help determine if others are cheating in some manner. And that's something, I guess. But it's clearly not enough. Just look at the punishments -- confiscating all of 'wann2play's win might seem severe, but it's a slap on the wrist. If that sort of thing happened in any other industry, it would be considered fraud and the offender would be subject to criminal charges. Paying back the money they stole wouldn't be enough, as they'd face additional financial penalties along with potential incarceration. But in the poker world, confiscating funds is somehow considered capital punishment. It shouldn't be. Oooh, PS took back the money he stole. So what? Are we supposed to be impressed? It'd be like if the police, upon catching a bank robber red-handed with a bag of cash, only asked that person to return the money. What would stop that person from trying again tomorrow? Or the following day?
Without adequate penalties in place, cheating in poker will continue to happen at an alarmingly high rate. There needs to be reason to discourage people from doing the 'wrong' thing, because clearly one's moral code isn't enough of a deterrent. Sadly I don't think sites really care because cheaters still pay rake and this sort of stuff only comes to light when other players dig deep enough to uncover the truth.
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Originally Posted by M1ghtyducks
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Already a long-winded tl;dr post, so I'll come back with a March update sometime this weekend!