I think most regs are underbluffing that spot esp weak ones and esp that deep in that spec tour. I've burned a lot of $ in similar spots where the weak regs always have it but it is gto + ev for us to hero call.
I do not limp call that hand pre, maybe i am giving away a lot of money by limp/folding it, but we should have better spots to pick and play.
Anyway would love to hear other regs opinion in the hand.
Chears mate and gl. Bummer in the milly

Ouch brutal, but that calldown seems quite ambitious to me tbh. Also applying pio logic to a spot with 12 left in milly in a spot which is going to be massively underbluffed does not seem GTO to me We are perceived to arrive at the river with Qx+, doubt many people are just gonna blast it off there then. Obv our hand is a decent callinghand in a vacuum since we dont block any blufs.

also, isn't pablotenisis like really good?

You can filter his 6m results. Anyway. I dont like the psilosophy of not using pio. This is how people end up clicking buttons and bleeding ev everywhere but i should adjust some things for sure. I lack the experience of playing this field but time is on my side

That hand points out on many flaws of your learning approach,it WILL be very expensive journey if you keep making these GTO calldowns vs heavily underbluffing population. In most of the cases if you feel it is close but GTO would call it - folding would most likely be a lot better vs 95% of the field due to underbluffing. And it's cheaper mistake, like going more nitty on avg vs randoms/nottop5%regs while you catchup tendencies will save(MAKE) you a ton of money imho.

Solid run tho, GG, it's always good to book a winning MTT Sunday session

I meant to say that if you keep doing these type of calldowns you will be bleeding lot more considering how far is the MTT population from the GTO

Aside from that, I'm genuinely curious which hands he should be bluffing here pio-wise. Do you mind sharing this since you ran the hand? Some 8x 9x seems to make the most sense I guess but then again which of those he is gonna have that don't have at least some incentive to check somewhere down the road either pre/flop/turn/riv. Pio is pbb gonna pio and bluff something ridicilous <3

Bluffs/vakue bets are connected to the sizes. You are way off with your assumptions. Nomalice you are right but my current learning process providing decent results and i have studied only a portion of what is in my plan

I dont really want to talk strategy here. I have this thread to steam off and track my journey. Thank you all and gl

Saying pio gonna pio means you never worked with a solver and will have some ridiculous bluffs. Anyway i will not comment anything else on the hand or discuss any kind of strat here. I will follow what i think is correct and we will see what i will achieve

No need to get all this defensive about it. Firstly, this spot is absurdly tough to analyze since you don't know his exact strategy preflop, and even then there's a good chance villain is deviating from pio either on flop or turn. For example hypothetically on the river K8 could be a good hand to bluff on the river, but does villain takes this line with that hand to end up on the river with it. Also preflop, J3o doesn't seem like a standard raise as well at this stack depth. There are so many factors influencing the outcome of pio it is dangerous to just use it in a vacuum. I'd rather use pio as a guideline, as I think it is nice/good to know pio answers, but never deviating from it in mtt's is just a huge leak since your opponents won't follow pio either.

Wrt blufs, I could see some outrageous (almost) zero equity blufs here from pio (bc you unblock his folding range then), but ideally you'd want to block Jx the most. Depending on your strategy pre, I don't see that many combo's that take this exact line. But as I said it's super dependent on villain raising strategy preflop. Some people will raise 82s, some people j3o apparently, etc

No need to start insulting me, as pio and I have spent more than enough hours together, and I could just run this spot with my own assumptions to get the 'answer' as well. Thing is though when it's tough to come up with a lot of 'logical' blufs for your opponent, you are likely better off not following pio when it becomes close as nomalice mentioned.

At this stack depth j3o is included on mixed pre strat. So yes it is standard to have it sometimes. Also i never said i will never deviate. Actually i said i lean into folding even though it is a call for various reasons you seem to not understand. You need to read more carefully

Also your analysis is off since you miss several aspects or you dont understand the m but as i said i will not comment anything else and i took it too far

Neither i insulted you. In any way

OP - I'm a big fan of your threads but I've been very surprised at how weak your attitude is with regards to your short term results. You posted a screenshot showing yourself running 80bb below EV in <1k hands a few days ago, I don't really play MTTs (CG player) but surely you know this is unbelievably standard? I thought your experience of low-edge SNGs would have hammered home the meaninglessness of results over tiny samples. I suggest you play around the pokerdope variance calculator using your estimated winrate and standard deviation (for various stack depths if you wish) and spend some time thinking about what is not only possible but literally inevitable if you continue to grind these games. It's better to be prepared for when you run truly bad (possible I'm overestimating the chance of substantial bb downswings when playing such low av stack size, I'm coming from 100bb only background).

Wishing you all the best, no doubt you'll succeed if you keep up your current workrate.

GL!

Hey thanks

Yeah i know that. I always whine about results. Short term and long term. I know even 200k hands isnt a sample but every sample is a sample. Whining is how i steam off and keep rolling. At least it worked all these years. You ll see the same pattern in every thread i have. I am a whine ***** haha thanks

I ran this spot because as I said I was genuinely curious and as I somewhat expected pio does indeed go for the zero equity barrel off with most of villain's range. I still doubt many regs will just blast off like pio does though. Have to note I didn't (yet) node lock, as pio raises quite a bit on the flop vs that cbet ofcourse. Also the EV of calling down Q7o is not that high, and even if villain follows the exact pio strategy, it pbb is still a disaster icmwise bc you need a much higher percentage to justify calling it off. Have to admit I was wrong about pio wanting to have 9x or 8x, which makes sense bc those are pretty irrelevant bc of turn action I guess. Anyway gl, and I will keep following this thread regardless

I ran this spot the same day. Ev of calling is quite high actually. If you saw it is not quite high then your preflop ranges are not correct

When mtt regs who have a very good feel for these games give you advice that goes further than `pio calls of Q7`, you probably shouldn`t be that quick to dismiss it

imo it`s a very fine l/f to the 3x pre but if you won`t take others advice you definitely shouldn`t take mine

gl

I dont know if it is a universal 2+2 issue that people cant read but i already wrote in my first post this

Something we can agree on

Interesting February. I managed to increase my winrate significantly and I am pleased with my progress so far. I feel I have a good grasp of 0-60bb even though still working 60bb strategy for preflop and postflop

My volume is slacking a bit but studying 45+ hours per week and playing 4-5 days isnt very easy. I expect to get a decent volume of hands in March for the abi I am targeting. I was considering whether I should grind the last few days or focus in completing most of what I need in order to grind heavily during March. I decided the later

February goal was reaching 3ev bb from the pathetic -1.87 ev start I had. I was looking at nearly 5ev bb improvement. Obviously I am pleased that I crushed the goal with 2 days left



Abi remains at 136$. Around 15th February I made some tweaks on my approach and they worked fine. Obviously very small sample but every sample is a sample



I am trying to not load stakes bellow 50$ because I never focus on them and even punt some stacks. This is a huge mental leak I carry from sngs. I rarely if ever played 200$ focussed in hypers. Quite hard to care about a 200$ sng when 1000$-500$ sngs are up. I decided either I should stop loading them or playing seriously. I need to put more volume from March onwards and I am still undecided what I should do. Doesnt matter if I am still +ev, when the annoyance of doing dumb things ''just because they are low stakes'' hits. Many times I thought yeah I would do this, it is just a 27$ which is a huge mental leak



My main volume remains in pokerstars and it might remain forever. Party poker made some changes recently and I have mixed feelings about them. Playing a 55$ tournament for 8 hours to win just 5k isnt appealing. I think the structure is way too slow especially for the daily grind. Even the flagship event of ko series took 14.5 hours with 3856 entrants while the Sunday Mill took less time with 1.5x more entries. I think a structure between pokerstars and party would be the most optimal. Like 8 handed with 10 min levels. I prefer 8 handed than 9 handed. Party is decent for 215$+ where prizepools are decent(?) but thats it. Prizepools dont worth the playing time in lower stakes imo



I am done offering suggestions though. They have a team for that and they can do whatever they think is the most optimal. Traffic increased lately. Population may like grinding a 22$ for 10 hours to get 2-3k

Lately I am wasting much time in 2+2 even when grinding my last 1-2 tables. I was subscribed in 30+ active PGCs, suggestion forums etc. I would like to improve my life a lot and try to find more time during the day. I feel I dont have enough hours as poker is very time consuming



First thing I did this morning was unsubscribe from most of the threads I was following like most PGC threads where people are talking the talk but they are not walking the walk, or suggestion forums with uber tilting people. I saw at least 1-2 posts that tilted me every single day and another 2-3 posts about botting in different threads. I will not gain anything by reading people are botting or whining how bad a schedule is



Since I started playing mtts my health went downhill. I am trying really hard to keep a healthy nutrition during the day. When the session is over I am doing my daily visit to the nearest store and buy haagen daz or ben & jerry. FAMILY SIZE. What is the point weighting every meal until midnight and then go bananas? Or more like go ice cream?



The result is I am not happy at all. I have good days and I am unhappy. I feel tired all the time. Walking even 2km feels like a huge task. Even during grinding I am losing focus easier and I am browsing every crap on internet. A habit I never had. Last time I hit the gym was October. I dont even remember when was the last time I played football or trained in muay thai. It is sick how obsessed I am with poker and I neglect other important aspects of my life. Well I dont even go out that often and I feel tired at midnight



I was thinking what actually made me happy all these years? When I felt fulfillment?

-Poker
-Girlfriend
-Gym/Football/Muay thai
-Reading books
-Hanging out with friends

These are the things that I wrote down when I thought what makes me happy. Suprisingly watching football feels like a waste of time. Unless a football game is really good which gives me a very high feeling, I feel I wasted another two hours. I am watching many football games. Most of the EPL and Real Madrid from la liga. If we count champions league then i am having an average of 10-20 hours wasting time per week. Since today I will never watch football unless it is a huge game like Champions League semi finals or Utd-City, Real-Barca or Real-PSG



I dont feel depressed but every time I used to hit the gym I had this feeling of euphoria. Every time I ran 8km playing football I felt I was on cocaine. I dont understand why I let myself dropping into this vicious cycle. Up to 100kg down to 80kg after 6 months of playing football and working out. Then again up to 100kg then down to 80kg. Story of my life the last 6 years. I firmly believe that I dont feel happy because I ''let myself go''. I have an addiction to ice cream but starting today I am dropping any kind of sugar. My goal is dropping 30kgs and play football in a semi pro team in Malta again (or at least in a team that competes in a league whether it is 11 a side or 8side) Kinda hate 5 a side as the pitch is really small. I might sign up for morning Muay Thai sessions if I find something interesting. I have AFL from kinobody which I will follow to lose my first 30kgs with some tweaks in weight training. Then I ll try to gain 10kgs of muscle following a nutrition/workout specifically for football. When I hit the desirable weight I will do 1-2 training sessions of football drills alone. My goal isnt to earn any money from football which is very late for that. My main goal is playing football on a decent level (individually) and maybe log some more years as semi pro



To clarify I dont expect anything serious. It is a goal I will have in order make the journey more fun. I will try to update the thread every 5 days with my mtt and my fitness progress

March goals:

-50k hands
-22 grinding days
-Drop 8 kgs
-60km running
-Increase winrate to 5ev bb

You seem to be an ok player with a huge mindset problem, so basically drawing dead long term in MTTs. Stop looking at EV bb (wtf are these samples??) and start looking for exploits. Take mindset coaching on variance and entitlement. GL

I wrote a big response but i deleted, no need to educate anyone. Average stables exist for that. You must be naive if you think that i dont understand the importance of sample or i didnt ran any sims to see the variance in bb/100 and money for mtts. Nothing wrong to have big and smaller goals to achieve through improvement

We will see who will draw dead year after year as it happened since i started. GL

Can I crossbook for something I can afford (insert being broke needle) you vs the poster above you?

I agree with ORLY. The posted hand histories in this thread are supporting what he is saying and are quite misplayed given population tendencies in many spots.

Instead of having "no need to educate anyone" mindset you should develop mindset of "what if my approach may be wrong" and see how that will work for you in the longrun (works for real life pretty well too). I am not saying it in the tone that you should start doubting yourself but be more open minded to different opinions. Sometimes the opinion of opposition is worth jack shiet but with the mindset you currently have you may be leaving some pearls in the mud.

Do you really think i m going crossbook while i m learning a completely new format with completely different stack depths for two months? Are you that ****ing stupid or are you trying to show off your ass licking skills? I guess there is a reason you are "broke"

What does and what doesnt work will show through my results. Yeah i never thought i will start looking for exploits while i didnt know the fundamental strategy for the current stack depth and with no samples to find the exploits. Yet your statement is not accurate as there is a gradually inprovement on my winrate and i am both happy with the improvement and results of my first two months

Unlike how most people randomly work every day i have prioritise what i am gonna to study for the first 6 months. I know exactly what i should study every day

Yeah i didnt know that 50k sample isnt a sample. So let me post a 500k hand sample that i dont have because i am playing only two months while studying 45+ hours per week. I am posting what i have

Well **** this ****. I am writing the same things every time some people cant read

I dont know the right exploits for mtts yet? No ****ing **** sherlock. Who the **** plays two months and know the right exploits in a format while still building the fundamental optimal startegies

Well **** this ****. I am wasting my time and people cant even read properly. Yeah i will stop posting because it is time consuming and wasting too much energy. We will see my results in 1-2-3 years and we will see who will need a mental coach because i will **** his brains out. pgc used to be fun and thats why i was keeping this journal. Time to fully focus my energy only where really matters. Cya on the tables all

**** no more free education

I really hope you dont stop this thread..Comments and critics will be around in everything you do in ur life.

Its not uncommon to see more negative feedback than positive pretty much in anything online! Positive feedback its not that common as people will prefer to "take time off their lives" to complain/judge sth., rather than congratulate/state what is "expected to be delivered".

I do not know in personal level ANY of the above posters (i do follow the PGCs of some that i find interesting) and that goes for belthazorrr as well.

THIS POST IS NOT TARGETED AGAINST ANY OF THE POSTERS IN HERE.

This post is simply written because i like this thread, including the constructive or not constractive criticism in some cases and would like to see/follow the outcome of OP's journey.

And as i read in Zeltn's thread as well, you can learn sth from ANYONE and ANY situation of comfort or discomfort, higher or lower skill level. I 100% agree with that.

I like the struggle of OP.

The genuine tone.

I like the conversations/debates/comments/ideas it produces (Not always in the best manner).

I like the mistakes/corrects/thinking processes of advanced players itt.

I like the gifs.

I like the soccer talk.

I like the life talk.

Anyway I just wanted to post the above, even though i may agree or disagree with OP in some cases, i want to see this thread go on.

Cheers!

PS: Fwiw i honestly DO NOT believe most comments in here were meant to attack OP rather than genuinely express different opinion, which i personally think is a good thing.