maybe this is misplayed river. can any good reg give comment?
TcJc not every reg 3b BB vs BTN, same for KcJc. KcQc could be easy 2brl (same for KcJc).
so only worried about AcTc? 10% 3-bet BB vs BTN so maybe not JcTc/Tc9c those hands maybe shouldn't cb anyways.

iPoker - €10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €1,111.00 (VPIP: 30.35, PFR: 23.55, 3Bet Preflop: 11.55, Hands: 2,713)
UTG: €436.25 (VPIP: 47.63, PFR: 26.57, 3Bet Preflop: 4.03, Hands: 9,727)
MP: €1,365.00 (VPIP: 27.55, PFR: 20.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.60, Hands: 2,441)
CO: €972.25 (VPIP: 28.76, PFR: 22.49, 3Bet Preflop: 10.33, Hands: 5,441)
Hero (BTN): €1,000.00
SB: €1,477.25 (VPIP: 33.84, PFR: 26.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 538)

SB posts SB €5.00, BB posts BB €10.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €15.00) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to €20.00, fold, BB raises to €90.00, Hero calls €70.00

Flop: (€185.00, 2 players) T K 5
BB bets €80.00, Hero calls €80.00

Turn: (€345.00, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets €190.00, BB calls €190.00

River: (€725.00, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets €640.00, BB calls €640.00

Nh.

Wp by both

Nobody ever plays KK or TT like this and his only FDs that will play like this are combos which have showdown ott but can't value jam river on blanks. Still has plenty AK/KQ combos with a club that can hero call.

Maybe you should take a week off/play lower for a little while to get your emotions back on track?

that hh isnt even worth talking about

well yeah it's definitely a combo counting spot w/ AcKx. I don't have that many nuts and maybe I have small % raising range OTF.
If I bluff all QJs (3x) and bluffing J9s (3x) would be my plan as well.
I'm not sure about my turn sizing. I wanna bet big enough to get AQ AJ to fold (if I had J9s). I'm kinda capped wrt. what I can bet OTT without value owning myself. I think there is fold equity OTT enough, it's tough spot if U have QQ-JJ.

I'm kinda burned out wrt. to this one site. I have 47% WWSF on another account which plays tougher games.
This another account keeps booking in ridiculous 43% WWSF sessions all the time. There's more bots on that site, but so is on iPoker.

Just realized that I'm up +10k from whales this month, but on the black now.
Last month I won 5.3k from one recreational in HU and that kept me afloat. (that rec has 4 numbers in his name)

I literally don't remember what it's like to have a normal winning session where you win couple of flushes and sets vs regs. It's been like this way too long.
If I do win, I get those 5% rivers and end up losing that sess. I had my issues with bluff catching last month though.
Another reg who I spoke a lot with just kept godmoding and winning every session. We kinda play similar style, he just 3-bets a lot preflop and cbet bluffs more aggressively post-flop. Our thinking is about the same regardless.

I mean the expectation when you enter session with good games should be to always win vs the fish. I just can't drop the idea that they rigged it against me. Too many 5% rivers and new players are somehow protected unless I get HU vs them.
I opened this new account and finally started running normal. Also when I play on MPN it feels much more normal.

If any iPoker reg wants to post long-term graph I'm interested to see that. If you are a losing player I'm interested to hear that as well, you can do it anonymously I don't care.

I reviewed my entire preflop game and adjusted it. Sure when there's floaty bots you can't open J9s UTG. Otherwise that may be ok. That's one way bots brought my results down. Table selecting less bottish games now.


And FWIW I've reached the point where I look at weak reg, see that he is winning and I wonder what the hell has he figured that I haven't.

When your graph skyrockets that's typically when you get good action vs regs, you're right with bluff catches and hit some setups. Hasn't happened often enough on iPoker for me imo.
When regs stack off it's some stupid spot where they could/should fold.
I did hit one nut flush > flush at 1k £, that was the 47% WWSF account.
Even with 4€ rake the games are so good sometimes that how can you lose.

/norigged

This was today. I have to take back what I said earlier. Wednesday morning, excellent games non-stop Could have Friday evenings with no action :P
Looked pretty good until I got rivered twice in big pot. AKs < KK against raise happy rec (he 4-bet pre, strong by fish).
Weird pot where I made straight OTR but 4-flush completed. Fish jams remainder of his 50bb 1k stack. Well....
What I wrote earlier, which one is more likely: a) fish systematically turns showdown value into bluff since it's 4-flush or b) he just randomly got there with his KK-QQ after checking back flush turn.
I have to draw the line where I think that fish play a lot more passively at 1k. Only the crazies shove draws. I had 3-bet sqz pot recently where I bet/folded KK on the turn and it sucked. Pocket pair was 5x more likely than shoving a draw. Integrity/accountability wise it was also interesting spot because I wasn't sure whether betting was too thin. Never too thin vs fish I suppose.
Misread my cards twice today, while I wasn't busy. So did fellow reg and shipped K8s pre, snapC QQ.

In the black now. It's not a big drop for me personally. It's the risk we gotta take.
Can anyone relate to losing >10k in short period of time?
When I'm in the black I feel so much more motivated to grind out of it, as long as the losses don't accumulate. Need good table selection, that's all.
You're no longer attached to monthly profits.
Yeah the red line tanks. Could have tanked even more had I made couple of extra river folds.

Also played an interesting HU match vs short stacker, where we both limp BTN a lot. I don't think anyone has figured out an optimal limp strategy HU, simply because you don't get action vs regs that way.
It's something I can implement in my HU game vs fish, and it keeps the game slow. Fish don't care since it's all about getting the flops.

couple of HU hands:

h1: no-bot reg makes bot 3-bet. Well he can't bet too thinly and he could be bluffing. Turn sizing could be worrying.
Always call or always fold type spot imo. not blocking top draws pretty decent, maybe too thin anyways.... can always be optimistic in HU which is what I love.

iPoker - €4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €558.46 (VPIP: 28.64, PFR: 20.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.38, Hands: 7,768)
Hero (SB): €400.00

Hero posts SB €2.00, BB posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has 9 8

Hero raises to €8.00, BB raises to €24.00, Hero calls €16.00

Flop: (€48.00, 2 players) 8 Q K
BB bets €16.00, Hero calls €16.00

Turn: (€80.00, 2 players) 6
BB bets €32.00, Hero calls €32.00

River: (€144.00, 2 players) 2
BB bets €124.00, Hero calls €124.00



no clue what same reg is thinking OTR.....
he could be wide since he bet small OTF #AdvancedThoughtProcess
It's cool in HU when you don't have to believe flopped flush draw that gets there.

iPoker - €4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €758.94 (VPIP: 28.64, PFR: 20.50, 3Bet Preflop: 8.40, Hands: 7,777)
Hero (BB): €400.00

SB posts SB €2.00, Hero posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has T Q

SB raises to €8.00, Hero calls €4.00

Flop: (€16.00, 2 players) 6 K 2
Hero checks, SB bets €4.00, Hero calls €4.00

Turn: (€24.00, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, SB bets €16.00, Hero calls €16.00

River: (€56.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, SB bets €56.00, Hero calls €56.00



Okay, rivered again.
should fold vs overbet, but it's first hand.

iPoker - €4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €144.00
Hero (SB): €603.42

Hero posts SB €2.00, BB posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has K T

Hero raises to €8.00, BB raises to €12.00, Hero calls €4.00

Flop: (€24.00, 2 players) J 4 T
BB checks, Hero bets €16.00, BB calls €16.00

Turn: (€56.00, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (€56.00, 2 players) 4
BB bets €64.00, Hero calls €64.00

Hero mucks K T (Two Pair, Tens and Fours)
(Pre 67%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
BB shows 3 4 (Three of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 33%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
BB wins €183.00


Got some reviewing to do, but only grinding best games.
Happy Valentine's day everyone!

nice calls

how can you have a disgusting redline like that when you appear to call so vigorously

Yeah in hindsight I like all of them. In HU ranges are much wider, easier to make mistakes and c) you have to bluff. In 6m you could skip some bluffs if you have big whale on the table :| #BumHunterMindset #Less_Variance

My only concern is that how do players contruct their 3-bet range HU. Linear or polarized. Same applies for 55 hand and 9c8c hand. I like 8c9c call. Just need small % overbluffing margin. He had 22% 3-bet.
What I said about the turn sizing, 40% doesn't accomplish much on that texture. Cheap bluff maybe. Maybe he doesn't want to bet AT/AJ gut-shot so big, but why bet so small Kx+? If he was advanced in range manipulation, then for sure it would be nice to keep as many draws in as possible. I played few hands of 500z and those type of thoughts started crossing my mind
He was very decent reg FWIW.

Always depends what you're playing against.
When you have to fold you have to fold. I guess it's because I'm tight conservative post-flop. I would expect better red line as well fwiw.
I also don't hit enough hands where I get opponents to fold in big pots. Floaty fish kill your red line as well....

Those are also very standard calls for me even thought perceived hand strength may look weak. Bluff catching can get weird on higher limits.

subbed sir! glgl!

fair play, 89 looks the worst but i'm not questioning you btw. Obvs all villain dependent

glgl

Turns out villain in HU hands is a very frequent bluffer who also uses weird bet sizes, so gg me. Maybe that explains the 2bb -> 6bb 3-bet and the KTs river bet.
Maybe it also explains why he played me HU as well
He had decent hud stats so I have to assume he's decent and set the bar higher for making more calls.


Really hoping things would turn around for me.
I got a lot of grinding hours ahead!
As long as the losses don't affect me, should be good to go! I'm fired up right now to play.

Cheers man!

Client crashed like 10 times this session. Took breaks, killed the poker client process and restarted it myself. That saved me some time and makes it less likely to crash.

Good sess but ran below EV.
Everything I wrote yesterday came into fruition. got regs to bluff me etc.
Realized that my bluffing and bluff catching game is pretty weak. That could be due to underconfidence. Or I have just always happened hit those Tx Jx rivers which kill the bluffing action. Called it off in some very simple spots today successfully.
There's a thing where if something doesn't happen frequently enough, you become rusty in that spot.


Reg who is a) capable of bluff shoving river b) calls AK OTT. and c) he plays few tables.
Reps like 3 combos while AcKx would be 4 already.
easy to overbluff. 8c7c not necessarily cb OTF. KcQc type hand he has too many options OTT.
I don't stack off vs many players but he is very high on that list.


iPoker - £4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: £410.00 (VPIP: 32.44, PFR: 23.57, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 4,599)
UTG: £871.36 (VPIP: 40.50, PFR: 20.80, 3Bet Preflop: 2.72, Hands: 1,769)
CO: £400.00 (VPIP: 33.72, PFR: 21.66, 3Bet Preflop: 9.53, Hands: 5,307)
Hero (BTN): £451.70
SB: £440.30 (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 22.07, 3Bet Preflop: 10.49, Hands: 4,205)

SB posts SB £2.00, BB posts BB £4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: £6.00) Hero has T T

UTG raises to £8.00, CO raises to £40.00, Hero calls £40.00, fold, fold, UTG calls £32.00

Flop: (£126.00, 3 players) T 8 A
UTG checks, CO bets £40.00, Hero calls £40.00, fold

Turn: (£206.00, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets £68.00, CO calls £68.00

River: (£342.00, 2 players) 6
CO bets £252.00, Hero calls £252.00



another beauty.
call or fold can it be more simple.

iPoker - €10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): €1,087.75
BTN: €231.75 (VPIP: 48.00, PFR: 30.09, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 376)
SB: €832.00 (VPIP: 30.99, PFR: 23.20, 3Bet Preflop: 10.28, Hands: 7,321)
BB: €517.50 (VPIP: 30.27, PFR: 23.21, 3Bet Preflop: 11.26, Hands: 2,907)
UTG: €328.25 (VPIP: 47.55, PFR: 26.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 9,937)
MP: €710.00 (VPIP: 31.19, PFR: 20.12, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 2,680)

SB posts SB €5.00, BB posts BB €10.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €15.00) Hero has 6 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to €20.00, fold, SB raises to €80.00, fold, Hero calls €60.00

Flop: (€170.00, 2 players) 4 3 3
SB bets €60.00, Hero calls €60.00

Turn: (€290.00, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€290.00, 2 players) 3
SB bets €130.00, Hero calls €130.00



reg who plays few enough tables to actively cold 4b bluff. is this standard flop call in 2018?
seem to hit spots where I xc xf JJ.
If it's close OTF I could just fold pre as well vs low cold 4b % guys. he had 4% cold 4b BB.

iPoker - €4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: €269.12 (VPIP: 38.26, PFR: 26.96, 3Bet Preflop: 15.14, Hands: 2,320)
BTN: €400.00 (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 22.39, 3Bet Preflop: 9.88, Hands: 4,527)
Hero (SB): €485.40
BB: €549.40 (VPIP: 30.57, PFR: 21.76, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 18,705)
UTG: €100.70 (VPIP: 48.54, PFR: 23.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 105)
MP: €517.40 (VPIP: 33.69, PFR: 21.65, 3Bet Preflop: 9.49, Hands: 5,352)

Hero posts SB €2.00, BB posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to €12.00, fold, Hero raises to €40.00, BB raises to €104.00, fold, Hero calls €64.00

Flop: (€220.00, 2 players) 2 6 3
Hero checks, BB bets €66.00, Hero calls €66.00

Turn: (€352.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BB bets €379.40, fold

BB wins €348.00

Linecheck? Aggro reg with high 3-bet. Not sure about turn as played, monotone boards I cbet bigger than usual.

iPoker - €4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €112.30 (VPIP: 56.83, PFR: 27.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 189)
BB: €414.78 (VPIP: 33.37, PFR: 21.40, 3Bet Preflop: 9.40, Hands: 5,526)
Hero (CO): €885.10
BTN: €668.20 (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 22.17, 3Bet Preflop: 9.74, Hands: 4,854)

SB posts SB €2.00, BB posts BB €4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €6.00) Hero has 8 8

Hero raises to €12.00, fold, fold, BB calls €8.00

Flop: (€26.00, 2 players) 2 6 5
BB checks, Hero bets €16.00, BB calls €16.00

Turn: (€58.00, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets €40.00, BB calls €40.00

River: (€138.00, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets €120.00, BB calls €120.00




got myself a 5% river!
fish slowplaying as usual.

iPoker - £2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: £344.62 (VPIP: 55.86, PFR: 11.72, 3Bet Preflop: 1.99, Hands: 299)
Hero (CO): £309.35
BTN: £57.69 (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 14.19, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 150)
SB: £580.54 (VPIP: 31.45, PFR: 22.17, 3Bet Preflop: 7.71, Hands: 15,966)
BB: £132.18 (VPIP: 48.09, PFR: 30.99, 3Bet Preflop: 11.40, Hands: 508)
UTG: £422.64 (VPIP: 32.87, PFR: 23.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.08, Hands: 519)

SB posts SB £1.00, BB posts BB £2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: £3.00) Hero has K K

fold, MP calls £2.00, Hero raises to £8.00, fold, fold, fold, MP calls £6.00

Flop: (£19.00, 2 players) J 7 9
MP checks, Hero bets £16.00, MP calls £16.00

Turn: (£51.00, 2 players) 9
MP checks, Hero bets £40.80, MP calls £40.80

River: (£132.60, 2 players) K
MP bets £66.30, Hero raises to £244.00, MP raises to £279.82, Hero calls £0.55

May have found out why my monthly results are tanking big time.





Tough **** but just have to deal with it
One small reason could be that I slowplayed AA more often.

1 week to grind out of it.

Can we make it?

Blue line is at 12.34bb/100 which is horrendous especially for euro sites. On heaters it can be >20bb/100 IIRC.
Red line -14.75bb/100 which is improvement from previous months. It looks like I have the worst possible red line but that's because blue line is semi-tanking.
Losing at all stakes 400+ currently. -6.3 EV BI 1k, -12 EV BI 400 etc.
Standard swing. Just sucks to keep depositing.
I have reviewed big hands and nothing dramatic there. Some bluffs keep failing. If I want to stay balanced, then I have to make those bluffs. If I don't raise certain hands OTR then I have no bluffs. I'm ofc expecting fold equity as well.
Every hand is a learning experience. I haven't spewed much almost at all, or knowingly made bad calls. My mental game is good in that regards. Always the right line for right opponent / situation.

Once I exposed the bot situation I made a promise to "put my net worth on the line" and never play vs those bots or cheaters again. Well this is standard mid stakes. Gotta have the guts!

You people wouldn't believe the amount of time I have spent reviewing hands and lines and pre-flop, post-flop etc.
With graph like this you might just think I'm bad unaware player. I just run bad and need to patiently wait for better times. It is hard to keep your confidence up, get up and grind the next day.
I also reviewed my stats and figured out that my "leaks" were correctly adjusted for euro site games. You need to take the fish into equation in those games and that's something the bots for example don't do. Euro site are fish so floaty and sticky, don't wanna fold but see that one more card. More mw pots etc. all leads to more leakier stats.
Let's hope things will turn around.

I will make out of it!

unless you review your hands with softwares then there is no point, you're literally just wasting time if you review by yourself and try to guess the proper lines

it doesn't even look like you're ready to admit you might be playing bad and you may not even run bad

If there's one street I misplayed, it's the river, and that's where you can lose most amount of money.
Loose calls, river bluff raises and some obvious river bluffs with bottom of range. Always vs the right loose aggressive opponent and making sure that I don't overdo it.
On euro sites you can fold most rivers and feel good about it. Then I get the few crazies / very good's and get into nastiest situations vs them. River bluff raises are also rare, so you get a lot of respect for doing so.

The bots killed my winrate for sure. Having no human error is really bad for one's winrate. This month I have tried to table select non-bottish games, but I wasn't aware of all of the iPoker 200+ bots/cheaters.

I don't tilt or spew much and usually I'm in a good gameflow meaning I don't make bad decisions without at least considering all options. Only the guy upstairs knows my true WR
I'm very confident atm wrt. my skill level.
Just the ****ing bots float you 100% in 3-bet pots, srp's and don't fold post-flop. That kills ones WR.

sounds like you need to value bet thinner

Those redline losses are pretty horrendous. You won't be ableo to achieve a decent winrate lossing that amount at non SD. Mine are terrible as well but not quite that bad.

Really depends on if there is a thin value bet dynamic between players.
Or "Do I skip this thin vb to reduce variance and play more pots vs whale" :P
You can thin vb but there's a fine line between vbetting too thinly and value owning yourself.
If someone is not willing to call you light, then you automatically learn more towards value owning.

I heard that there could be end bosses with negative red line.
I have no idea how someone can have positive red line on mid stakes these days. Even if I have high WWSF I still end up having negative red line.

And ofc when I have the worst month ever with overpairs, overall results are down and it's easy to blame the red line.
Either I'm wrong or correct with my post-flop folds.
Overall results are **** due to overpairs and bots, we'll see

It's not a binary thing. It's the rate your losing at. I'd be genuinely amazed if anyone winning at a decent rate had that level of redline losses

If any endboss wants to comment on that, do so.

Comes down to this basically.

I'm not "blind" to red line strategies. On my craziest sessions I achieve ~be red line.
Just need to put in more volume and see what the end results are. Vs bots I don't think I can ever get good red line, since algorithm or solver balances their range automatically for any given spot.

I highly doubt you can achieve a top win rate with that red line man. Husker is right.

Yeah but you said your redline was -14.75bb and that was better than previous months

so you don't value bet thin vs bots but they never fold, makes sense

btw I saw you said "monotone board I c-bet bigger than usual" it should be the other way around, monotone board you c-bet smaller than usual