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01-31-2018 , 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
you say still below ev but arent you like way above ev lifetime?

nice day btw gj
Yeah that's correct. I'm forever grateful for running that well, it allowed my career to continue until I really got better.

Month done. Think I'll have a well deserved break now. Played quite emotional today and that shouldn't happen. 198.5k hands total
Waiting on rakeback and rake races to see final results.


Had one more cooler today. Never forget the #riggedness #2outriver
If I win these hands 96% of the time, Feb will be very good!
Let's say BTN had J8 for lower FH and called off. I'd be up +884€ instead of losing -400€. That's 1200€ difference in results. Then do the same for all the other 2-outers, set over sets etc.

4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 105.93 BB
UTG: 284.12 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 21.07, 3Bet Preflop: 9.07, Hands: 6,552)
MP: 116.08 BB (VPIP: 27.96, PFR: 22.50, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 6,287)
CO: 54 BB (VPIP: 24.29, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 8.43, Hands: 214)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.89, PFR: 21.82, 3Bet Preflop: 8.85, Hands: 8,220)
SB: 103.53 BB (VPIP: 51.31, PFR: 29.58, 3Bet Preflop: 11.46, Hands: 806)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 8 J 9
SB checks, Hero bets 7.2 BB, BTN calls 7.2 BB, SB calls 7.2 BB

Turn: (30.6 BB, 3 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets 17 BB, BTN calls 17 BB, SB calls 17 BB

River: (81.6 BB, 3 players) Q
SB bets 40.8 BB, Hero raises to 78.73 BB, BTN calls 72.8 BB, SB calls 35.53 BB

BTN shows Q J (Full House, Jacks full of Queens)

Main Pot [300 BB]: (Pre 30%, Flop 13%, Turn 10%)

SB shows T K (Straight, King High)

Main Pot [300 BB]: (Pre 48%, Flop 27%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [7.06 BB]: (Pre 64%, Flop 29%, Turn 0%)

Hero shows J 9 (Full House, Jacks full of Nines)

Main Pot [300 BB]: (Pre 22%, Flop 60%, Turn 90%)
Side Pot#1 [7.06 BB]: (Pre 36%, Flop 71%, Turn 100%)

Hero wins 7.06 BB
BTN wins 299 BB

Last edited by Fishtankz; 01-31-2018 at 06:57 PM.
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02-01-2018 , 12:10 AM
You put in 295 hrs and got 196k hands in January? That is nuts.
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02-01-2018 , 12:58 AM
Results pre RB tho?
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02-03-2018 , 02:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
You put in 295 hrs and got 196k hands in January? That is nuts.
Yeah. As we say in Finland, gotta strike when the iron is hot.
First goal was 150k hands but extended from there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by meale
Results pre RB tho?
Still waiting on some annoying affiliate stuff wrt. confirming screen names :-/
I'll post soon.

Had an epic rostucko yesterday. I didn't do too much wrong vs regs, just took the most aggressive lines vs right opponents and lost.
Then one-tabled a "happywhale" and ran like god. This guy kept calling 100€ raises preflop, online poker not dead!

Today I decided to play easier games which was a very good decision.
I did a lot of same aggressive stuff as yesterday.
I have this "problem" that whenever I'm up (a lot), I start to seek more and more aggressive lines that could work out. Especially on lower limits I just test stuff out.
On some of my sessions, I get into this almost manic state. Hard to tell whether that's a) good aggressive poker, b) hero losing focus or c) tilting and spewing.
To balance that, I also have the 40% WWSF sessions where you just check/fold everything and get the worst turns/rivers.

On the other hand that stuff is normal player progression. You always have to seek new spots and new ways to think about the game.
As long as it's not spew (knowing that the line is bad) and I can deal with monetary results, I think then it's always ok.
I'm not the type of player to play same style for 2 years. I probably think a lot more about the game than the average reg. On very soft games, most of that thought process is thrown to the garbage bin. It's nice when that thought process stuff works out vs very good regs.
I think if we played play money, everyone would be doing crazy **** 24/7. The amount of money at stake is always the limiting factor. If you're up 500k from bitcoins, then you're less attached to the results and you can work out experimental lines on high stakes.
The end goal should always be to disregard money as much as possible and always seek +EV results.

Always have to draw the line between spewing, experimenting and taking aggressive +EV line.
Today I took many aggressive +EV lines and experimented a couple of spots. Had couple of semi-spewy spots. Just trying to see whether some stuff works.
One more thought. If nothing deviates from the normal and everything is the same, then there is nothing to learn. You learn from your mistakes. It's hard to look at someone else's hand and think outside of the box. I always have to do that stuff myself and that's when I get the AHA-moments. Sometimes that results in losses. i.e I lose 400€, study the spot and I'll never lose for that same mistake again. I think my gut feeling is getting stronger and stronger and the error margin is low.
On really easy games that stuff won't even matter, since it's always about taking the easiest and often the most profitable line.


It's also very nice feeling to sit back and enjoy the results of your work. Yesterday that feeling got taken off, and I thought that is it just going be another month grinding like a degen.
Fortunately this month is off already for a small profit. I could go more in-depth in my next post into winrates, not checking results etc. and what happened last month.
I'm confident this month will be +EV as long as I keep my hero folding game up.
Money shouldn't matter though, and if I start to worry about it, that's definitely when my game drops from A to B/C.
It's all about getting in the zone and playing +EV games.
I also have moments where I just don't feel like grinding and every pot feels significant then. That's very bad time to play.


so tl;dr, have to keep head in check wrt. monetary stuff. I want to push my edges to the maximum but not go too far the distance. Have to feel comfortable (not desperate) and stay focused.
Maybe small break would be fine.

/randomthoughts
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02-03-2018 , 02:37 AM
very sick volume dude, gj
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02-03-2018 , 02:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
very sick volume dude, gj
Yeah gotta extend those sessions when you have super good game running. And skip sleep :<
One good table can be more profitable than the entire month combined.

Few hands.

Stuff like this is finally happening which didn't happen much last month.

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 116.28 BB (VPIP: 33.04, PFR: 23.63, 3Bet Preflop: 9.86, Hands: 14,903)
CO: 152.53 BB (VPIP: 24.70, PFR: 16.96, 3Bet Preflop: 6.76, Hands: 17,055)
BTN: 107.06 BB (VPIP: 58.09, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 4.29, Hands: 138)
Hero (SB): 160.26 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

CO raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, BB raises to 35 BB, fold, BTN calls 32.5 BB, Hero raises to 160.26 BB, BB calls 81.28 BB, fold

Flop: (270.06 BB, 2 players) 6 2 9

Turn: (270.06 BB, 2 players) T

River: (270.06 BB, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:
Hero shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 93%, Flop 99.7%, Turn 100%)
BB shows A K (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 7%, Flop 0.3%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 266.06 BB


Thin value. Last month my thin vbets failed soooo often. Also good idea to cbet AK on the flop (for value?)

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 66.54 BB (VPIP: 26.80, PFR: 6.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.95, Hands: 460)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.63, PFR: 17.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.58, Hands: 15,525)
Hero (BTN): 215.97 BB
SB: 295.19 BB (VPIP: 33.05, PFR: 23.64, 3Bet Preflop: 9.85, Hands: 14,871)
BB: 99.2 BB (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 4.89, Hands: 27,132)
UTG: 186.22 BB (VPIP: 48.00, PFR: 33.00, 3Bet Preflop: 22.62, Hands: 205)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 2 J 3
UTG checks, Hero bets 15 BB, UTG calls 15 BB

Turn: (55.5 BB, 2 players) K
UTG checks, Hero bets 36 BB, UTG calls 36 BB

River: (127.5 BB, 2 players) T
UTG checks, Hero bets 152.97 BB, UTG calls 123.22 BB

UTG shows J 8 (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 39%, Flop 77%, Turn 32%)
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 61%, Flop 23%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 369.94 BB

the games are finally rigged for me.
Running very good obviously when hitting gut-shots, but getting that river and getting paid...!

1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 80.38 BB (VPIP: 29.65, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.68, Hands: 329)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.41, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.06, Hands: 32,048)
Hero (BB): 161.12 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 33.17, PFR: 23.76, 3Bet Preflop: 9.83, Hands: 14,688)
MP: 155.52 BB (VPIP: 36.50, PFR: 19.47, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 265)
CO: 184.03 BB (VPIP: 40.54, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 74)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 4 J T
Hero bets 12 BB, MP calls 12 BB

Turn: (44.5 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 32 BB, MP calls 32 BB

River: (108.5 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 107.12 BB, MP calls 101.52 BB

MP shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 74%, Flop 84%, Turn 3%)
Hero shows A Q (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 26%, Flop 16%, Turn 97%)
Hero wins 307.54 BB

2-outer turn for both of us!
I wanna study more HU and whether KJ is call on that flop. I think AK is close enough to a value bet on the flop.

4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 100 BB
SB: 162.3 BB (VPIP: 32.71, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 10.49, Hands: 3,135)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

SB raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 7 3 7
Hero bets 7 BB, SB calls 7 BB

Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB

River: (68 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 66 BB, SB calls 66 BB

SB shows J K (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 26%, Flop 17%, Turn 10%)
Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 74%, Flop 83%, Turn 90%)
Hero wins 199.75 BB


Running well since usually when cbetting AK/AQ you end up missing a lot. Overcards only hit 13% of the time and no guarantee for payoff. Obviously nice to run well after so ****ty January.
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02-03-2018 , 11:04 AM
Awesome job on the rostucko and really nice volume as well. Keep it up mate.
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02-07-2018 , 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurtNCYDE
Awesome job on the rostucko and really nice volume as well. Keep it up mate.
Thanks man. You have great volume too, but FR is much slower.


So here's January results. Up about 5.5k with EV at 7.7k. Good effort and decent hourly, just ran the worst.

I wish to leave that month behind now.
I went through tremendous growth during that time. Fixed so many leaks and looked at some other strategy stuff as well.
I ran really bad, but also bots killed my winrate.
I played a lot of tables and you just can't expect to win vs bots while doing so. I lost money vs bots when I "cb bluff", the bot floats like crazy and picks it up OTT when I give up. Especially in 3-bet pots, those nasty ****ers...!
The bots also have some type of real time solver, algorhitm or something, that way they can always call or fold x% of their range, meaning that they won't have as many leaks as human players would do. I think that is the limit where AI gets too big advantage.
Humans give up pots because you are too busy multitabling, you have a big pot going elsewhere or you are just strategically unaware of something. The bots never slack and that's why I hate them.
1€/2€ and below are definitely (becoming) bot infested.

There's always good in bad and if it wasn't for those bots, I wouldn't have had some breakthroughs.
What I hate the most is that the bots don't do any errors, everything is computed. When you play vs humans, there's so much room for errors.
Poker is extremely mechanical game, especially vs tighter villains. Street poker only works vs very aggros.
I have played human lineups now and I'm picking up error after error.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

February is off to a very good start. I'm up enough so I can play any game now. Can play some tough games for learning (donating) purposes

Today was very swingy, had some very nasty coolers where I stack off relative 2nd nuts. That's improvement from last month where I didn't make hero folds and stacked off with a lot worse.
I'm having a lot of fun while playing and I have no problems putting in big hours, so not necessarily checking results every session.
It's good to be up a lot so you don't have to worry about standard runbad, bluffing and bluff catching vs regs. That "machine" keeps going, until you find that big whale who will give you the biggest profits.

I haven't been very successful with my bluff catches vs regs this month. All spots have been very standard though. I have also ran bad with overpairs. Always finding myself with QQ or AK vs AA. If I have just one good session with overpairs, my results should skyrocket :P
On this one session I stacked off ~10 times with worse and only 2 times with better. No wonder why that session was bad.
Same applies for bluff catches. I have had some 20 BI sessions where I kept calling off bluffs successfully.

All about that volume now and being patient ---->
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02-11-2018 , 06:10 AM
Rage quit



might have to use self-exclude options.
so ****ing sick of everything
was up 11k at one point. down 3k mpn

right now I feel like smashing my keyboard.

stuff like this all ****ing month and nobody is bluffing those spots

2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €209.00 (VPIP: 24.60, PFR: 18.20, 3Bet Preflop: 7.01, Hands: 706)
CO: €134.13 (VPIP: 74.07, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 28)
BTN: €183.44 (VPIP: 26.96, PFR: 20.70, 3Bet Preflop: 9.48, Hands: 3,565)
Hero (SB): €200.00

Hero posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has 9 9

fold, BTN raises to €5.00, Hero raises to €18.00, fold, BTN calls €13.00

Flop: (€38.00, 2 players) J 8 7
Hero bets €22.00, BTN calls €22.00

Turn: (€82.00, 2 players) T
Hero bets €54.00, BTN calls €54.00

River: (€190.00, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets €89.44, fold

BTN wins €186.00


Played HU vs fish who checked down K9s Kx TP in 3-bet pot and did not bet at all. That's the standard of competition I'm up against. Then I wonder whether I'm folding too much.
Fish bet every ****ing turn, but then XC 4-high FD oop. logic is right.
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02-11-2018 , 09:27 AM
jesus that 99, unsure if you could play it any worse
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02-11-2018 , 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
jesus that 99, unsure if you could play it any worse
how would you play it then vs passive euro sites reg? (1.6 AF)
he also wins at showdown 60%
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02-11-2018 , 10:03 AM
Preflop is obviously okay, flop sizing is okay-ish although I think 1/3 is better here or check, would lean towards checking more often than not, turn has to be a check with whole range. River is whatever, check call or shove, could even block bet really ****in small, anything but check/fold really
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02-11-2018 , 10:55 AM
I don't know what hands he would be bluffing with.
My turn sizing caps his range biiiiig time.

You are right about checking turn with whole range, I would do that vs good opponents. Worried about losing value vs this guy. I'm just check/folding most of my range anyways vs these type of guys. They have no heart!



These recs are amazing. No need to worry about being (over)bluffed.

10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €579.01 (VPIP: 42.43, PFR: 24.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.46, Hands: 1,132)
Hero (BB): €1,000.00

SB posts SB €5.00, Hero posts BB €10.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €15.00) Hero has A 2

SB raises to €20.00, Hero calls €10.00

Flop: (€40.00, 2 players) T K 7
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (€40.00, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (€40.00, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, SB checks

SB shows 9 8 (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 45%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
Hero mucks A 2 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 55%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
SB wins €39.00



2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €232.99 (VPIP: 38.17, PFR: 24.12, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 452)
Hero (BB): €201.60

SB posts SB €1.00, Hero posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has A Q

SB raises to €6.00, Hero raises to €20.00, SB calls €14.00

Flop: (€40.00, 2 players) K 4 6
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (€40.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (€40.00, 2 players) J
Hero checks, SB checks

SB shows K 9 (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 39%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks A Q (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 61%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
SB wins €39.00
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02-11-2018 , 11:08 AM
seems like they also don't need to worry about you overbluffing :P
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02-11-2018 , 11:49 AM
You will chop a fair ammount on the river w 99, obv u cant fold lol
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02-11-2018 , 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
seems like they also don't need to worry about you overbluffing :P
well the AQ could be standard and not bluffing A2hi on that board, since 5 pairs (+ pp's) are possible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godspeed1
You will chop a fair ammount on the river w 99, obv u cant fold lol
not sure about that since ppl pot control a lot, but you could be right. this reg doesn't bet rivers frequently.



So what caused the rage quit today?

I got a lot of good tables that morning. Lots of multiway pots and limped pots.
I told myself that I'm going to play fit & fold, no big bluffs. The fish were floaty so no cbetting once without a turn plan.
Well, I couldn't hit hands really. Kept checking back and the fish bet into me 90% of the time which was very annoying. I don't think all fish systematically bluff that way, it can be any pair, overcards, Ahi, all sorts of weird stuff, but not always a "random bluff". I would be behind that range mentioned (with my air).

I played this HU match vs rec on MPN. I applied same strategy, just play simple good poker and give up if you have nothing. Same thing happened, kept giving up pots for 30mins. Then I hit few key pots and we were close to even. Strategy worked.
I bet that the rec just hit every board which can happen in HU. His overall strategy was terrible, i.e xc 4-high FD oop and not bet it. It shows that he didn't have overall gameplan figured out.

I autopiloted and skipped some thin turn barrels etc. but that's standard if you masstable.
No big mistakes, just very many annoying pots, where hero's options are very limited.

Made this call vs the rec mentioned. 3-bet pre, cbet and then face a shove. Not getting immediate odds, but I could expect 5d4d 6d5d 6d7d even 7d5d Jd9d or something like that. Turn shoves are usually pair/draw/weak 2p, while nuts min-raise. Lost the pot, he had AKs...............
30min later same rec puts his roll on 2k table. He must have really ran like god vs me. It shows that he is gambler type and my call with ATs is somewhat decent. Most fish don't jam draws fwiw.

so tl;dr I don't think all fish have a systematic gameplan, more like click buttons when situations come up. Go with own hand first, no "pre-meditated" gameplan.


What's up with the month?

Well it started with 8k downswing, followed by rostucko.
Had few very good sessions, but last week I have not ran well.
Bluffs getting called by regs. Not getting paid when I have it, even tho I rep very thin. Turn & river cards are against me in big pots.
Not doing well with overpairs. I have stacked off 3 times KK vs cold 4b (AA) by fish. I 3-bet SB, fish (BB) cold 4-bets and I ship, same exact scenario 3 times.
Then I lost 2x flush > flush at 500z. both very top of heros range.

I have made few mistakes here and there, but minimal. Some loose all-ins preflop vs squeezes and sometimes I misread the board/situation.
Everytime I make a mistake, I review the spot and the details.
Have seen regs make much bigger mistakes than what I do. When I see those mistakes, I think to myself that I could just sit back, wait and capitalize on those errors when I have better hand.
Bluffs that I make are always best bluffing combos on good boards, not like I'm spewing off.
Sometimes my range gains huge +EV when villains calls, but this time I had the bluff.

I have reviewed every session and I'm fine with the hands played.
I'm doing good job at picking up small pots, 3-betting and stabbing. Something is just not working out, could be variance reg vs reg.

This is graph for big pots this month. When the line started flattening, that's also when my results went down. Not fun to watch regs tank fold rivers in 3-bet pot when you finally hit it.


Been studying solver 1-2 hours every day now.

Not going to play any line-ups with bots so can't really move down.
Maybe I need to bumhunt more for few days. I should be +EV that way. When I get in the zone, I play any +EV lineup.
Shame to see poor results when I'm finally figuring things out.
It's only -9 EV BI swing, so need to keep it up, and got plenty of RB. All one long session!
I have definitely been more emotional when playing higher limits. Money is just the risk that we take.
Big problem for me is that I start to believe that I can't win, something is against me or that regs would play 100% perfect and never make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes when put under enough pressure. That's the cool thing with human lineups.
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02-11-2018 , 01:38 PM
99 is the easiest check fold i've seen all day lol not sure what people are on about, your sizing scheme is poor tho, as it is in most hands
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02-12-2018 , 03:45 AM
On which site and stakes you think the are bots? Would you mind to share the aliases of the ones you supect to be bots?
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02-12-2018 , 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruslanas
On which site and stakes you think the are bots? Would you mind to share the aliases of the ones you supect to be bots?
I could share the screen names, since public shaming seems to be the only way to kickstart this issue.
To share the screen names, I'd need legitimacy.
I can do this in 2 ways: 1) I have done comprehensive stat analysis where every stat of villain meets that of a bot. 2) I have seen weird hand histories that no human would play the same way.
Computer programs can actually fail to take every detail into account. X & Y & Z meet, but the bot doesn't notice something like stack size which is the first thing human takes into account. There can also be an algorhitmic takeover where you just 100% follow a certain line-
Just analyzing stats is not enough, you need some other legitimate evidence.

The bots play iPoker 100nl-200nl 24/7. 2 bots play 400-600nl, but I'm only 99% sure that they are bots. The 1% could be some weird Russian strategy.
Those Russians would still end up making human errors, which I don't see these 2 mid stakes bot make.

For now let me just share few graphs.
Spoiler:
Bot #1:

Bot #2:

Bot #3:

Bot #4:

The 100 bot:

Losing reg who plays very bot like.


Back when I played at Stars there were fewer bots, or bots weren't as advanced back then. You would have the "scripting lineup" + couple of table starters. I had good WR then, but my WR has always sucked on iPoker no matter how good games I get. MPN has always been very script heavy btw.
I'm just saying that bots can kill your winrate since they literally make no errors. It's awesome to always xc xf and bet x % of your range.
I'm worried about how bot infested lower limits are becoming. Those should be the learning playground where it's okay to have x & y & z leak since everyone else does as well. Now you have bots who could totally crush those limits possibly 10bb+

What happens if you can't win at poker due to bots is that you have to bumhunt more and more and now you need script since you can't beat full line-ups.
Recs can never win vs the bots and I wonder how many would withdraw entire balance if they knew that the bots exist.
But on the other hand I'm extremely top-end in this regards, I don't think many others would have a clue how to detect a bot. They would think that it's just high volum, but that could always be some loner
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02-12-2018 , 06:28 AM
share screennames, who gives a **** if its true or not
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02-12-2018 , 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doctor877
share screennames, who gives a **** if its true or not
Hi. Check skype.

I won't go public with the list yet, but bots or real-time assisted humans are definitely a thing on iPoker.
Only a handful of folks on higher limits, but should be plenty of bots on lower limits.
I know 100% how to spot a bot.

This makes me depressed knowing that I have been playing a lot vs unfair competition. Since I haven't had godmode heater activated, I have been a breakevenish player.
I can't use my skill advantage vs bots, but I could vs humans. Therefore my WR will always be lower when playing vs bots.
You could get the bot to stack off top pair loosely, since they have to make those stack offs vs fish, but it does not cover all the small pots you might lose systematically. i.e the bot may KNOW exactly what combos to defend in any given 3bp spot. No leak there to exploit.

I'm not sure how to continue my career. I want to play vs fair competition for sure.
Playing higher limits is so stressful. Can be up or down 3k. -8k on worst days. Then you add EV to the equation. Running above EV keeps me afloat.
I didn't play bad lately, but dropped 10k in short period of time. Then it's stressful to wait for the next heater / big whale.

It sucks knowing that dropping to 100 is not an option either. There could be undetectable bots on MPN, but mainly on <100 I guess.
If you play full time like I do, there's a lot of morning sessions. That's exactly when there will be bots playing and keeping the games going.
Games have dried up recently, but I have made a lot of money during early hours. Evening hours should still be the most profitable, since that's when you have most normal regs playing.

I don't know if I have the guts to be a upper mid stakes player.
I have the option to do internship right now and just play the profitable evening sessions. If I had a paycheck, that would give some insurance on losing months.
Sitting all day waiting for 400+ action is not good.

I could do zoom, since I have learned a lot how to play vs regs. It's still a very stressful and swingy environment with no rakeback. It's still more profitable to play vs humans than it is to play vs bots.

Things have changed a lot in last few years. The games were much more fair back then.

so tl;dr to get that big whale at 600, I wouldn't need to play all day, just have some evening sessions.
Another point I wanted to make is that: you need to grind full time to get a certain net worth. Then you have the luxury to join any profitable game. Time spent between best sessions is "filler volume". Worse sessions, less profitable games, more swings.
I absolutely love grinding poker, especially if my perceived skill level has gone up a lot. It's just about fair environment. **** you real time solvers.

When I have been grinding on iPoker it has just felt like utter **** most of the time. Like the RNG and card distribution are against me, and now the bots as well.
All that has made me work harder and harder on my game though.
Another goal of grinding full time is to keep increasing your skill level. When you hit a peak level, it means your ambition to put in big hours will be lower. Would need to have some challenges.
I still have the option to grind all winter-summer and then do the internship stuff on autumn. Fair games, that's all!

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02-12-2018 , 04:10 PM
Name names let's play bot or not...

cardreader31
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02-13-2018 , 06:11 AM
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cardreader31
100% not a bot in my books. Or just a bad bot, good for the games I don't care.
Shoutout to Zlatanbest1. #TeamNit
LLevoLasNueces is not a bot either. We had our battles this month.

There's one guy on MPN who plays 40bb short stack, but prob not a bot either. I've seen him at PokerVIP rake races. 40bb is so ez that you don't need to think much.

I think I'm going public soon with my findings. It's simply unfair for both regulars and recs that there are bots (or humans) using AI.
I reported my initial findings 2 weeks ago and nothing has happened.
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02-13-2018 , 08:09 PM
Thanks so much for putting this much work in.
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