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06-23-2018 , 11:51 AM
Nice run Cuse
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06-23-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Miracle is a fantastic movie.

I also heard somewhere that it's based on a true story.
It is based on the gold medal won by the U.S.A. Ice Hockey team at the 1980 winter Olympics.
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06-23-2018 , 02:34 PM
I like the way you played the hand versus Jacobsen. I would've snapped that phucker off tho.
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06-23-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by uberkuber
It is based on the gold medal won by the U.S.A. Ice Hockey team at the 1980 winter Olympics.


Woah.

I'm not really a fan of HOCKEY!
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06-23-2018 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
What’s in Rhode Island?
Nothing.
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06-23-2018 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
- still not able to take an ounce of critcism
- still not grinding full-time hours
- still cranking out an "impossible" winrate

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Originally Posted by jurament
I think you misinterpreted him genuinely trying to help you and pass on his wisdom as a condescending attack on the path you've chosen.
Sure, maybe his intent is good, but I laid out the reasons why I'm doing what I'm doing and why this isn't the right time for me to drop NLHE and learn other games.

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Originally Posted by jurament
I agree with most of his points, it's not that crazy prescient to realize NL cash is rapidly losing viability everywhere but the most niche/hidden of markets (I would go so far as to say that in 2018 unless you live in exactly Detroit or Rhode Island there's literally nowhere else on the east coast that the best players can consistently grind out 100k a year or more playing 5/10 while running even).
Apparently it's crazy prescient to realize that posting about wherever you think the softest games are on a poker forum on the Internet is pretty stupid. There are at least 10 places in the US where I know I could grind out that kind of a living playing NLHE.

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Originally Posted by jurament
You can deny that however much you want but I'm not warning you of this because I want to set myself up to crow 'I told you so' years from now but because it causes me genuine anguish to see short-sighted pros essentially being the poker equivalent of a climate change denier.
Those who are currently making <8bb/hr should probably be a little worried. Those of us crushing games for a lot more are going to be fine for a while.

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Originally Posted by jurament
I think part of what it is that tilted upswinging so much is how authoritatively you speak on things and how bluntly you shoot down/deny any rebuttals when from his perspective you've accomplished so little in such a long period of time.
Hi, upswinging.

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You probably think he's wrong and that you've accomplished plenty in that time and deserve the right to be proud of what you've done.
I am proud of what I've accomplished so far, and I look forward to accomplishing more.

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Originally Posted by jurament
It doesn't really matter who's right between the two of you,
I'm proud, I'm generally happy with my life right now and I'm happy with the work I'm doing in a couple key areas, so nothing else matters in that regard.

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Originally Posted by jurament
but I do think it's worth examining why exactly you get so much more contempt than pretty much any other blog on this subforum without just dismissing it as 'trolls'.
Haters gonna hate. Trolls gonna troll. Tis the way of 2p2.

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Originally Posted by feel wrath
Nice run Cuse
Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
I like the way you played the hand versus Jacobsen. I would've snapped that phucker off tho.
Thanks. I like to take a little more time in MTT's on boards like that where the BB has a ton of flushes and a pretty big nutted range advantage, but yeah it's not a hand we can ever really fold.
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06-23-2018 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
- still cranking out an "impossible" winrate







Imagine if you cranked out that "impossible" winrate while playing full time hours.



It'd be more accurate/credible and you'd be rich *****!
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06-24-2018 , 12:47 AM
Cuse you've clearly shown no amount of logic/ reason will convince you... it would be pointless to try again on a new account. Besides, I don't care about you that much to try something like that anyways lol. That said, I'm pleasantly surprised someone made an account just to reply to my posts. It shows at least a few people are benefiting and/or have the same views as I do.

I genuinely want you to succeed and crush all the haters (you def have a chip on your shoulder), but the only way i feel that's possible is if you learned mixed games. I've been telling you and few other 1 trick pony "pros" to make the transition because the writing is on the wall for NL and you guys just don't see it yet. In fact, I think its extremely important that everyone slowly transition over if we want to see poker still being played in casinos ~10 years from now.

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There are many areas where high NL winrates are still achievable. That's not really what we're talking about though are we?

Most player pools are very small except for a few spots in the US. So you could briefly win a bunch before the game dies... but why go to all that work and hassle of uprooting your life just to chase the next grand opening of a casino/ fresh pools when you can learn different games for higher winrates and have a less nomadic lifestyle? Last point is there's no doubt NL games gotten tougher across the board since the boom and have only continued to do so. Why continue to put all your energy into a dying livelihood?

even if i gave you a best case scenario for NL (big player pool and very poor play) it would realistically be in very expensive areas/cities. Then think about what just one additional grinder would do to your player pool and long term win rate. Then calculate for 2, 3, 4 etc. I mean look cuse, as more and more areas have been dying/shrinking, poker pros get forced into a smaller circle. I remember when LA had almost no euro regs and now entire grindhouses of them come over to grind for 6 months a year. It's only going to get progressively worse.

I don't think there's a single poker variant out there that didn't die despite its popularity. NL is no different. The name of the game has always been playing the next new thing and trusting your problem solving skills and poker abilities to get you to the top.
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06-24-2018 , 01:00 AM
As I've pointed out time and time again, if you were right that 8bb/hr was the maximum sustainable winrate in NL games and decreasing, then I'd be looking for alternatives quickly. I'm doing a lot better than that, though, and doing a lot better than that in a variety of locations, so it doesn't make sense for me to rapidly switch to other games. Once I'm rolled for 10/25+, my plan for awhile now has been to start trying to learn and master other games - probably starting with LHE and PLO.
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06-24-2018 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
As I've pointed out time and time again, if you were right that 8bb/hr was the maximum sustainable winrate in NL games and decreasing, then I'd be looking for alternatives quickly. I'm doing a lot better than that, though, and doing a lot better than that in a variety of locations, so it doesn't make sense for me to rapidly switch to other games. Once I'm rolled for 10/25+, my plan for awhile now has been to start trying to learn and master other games - probably starting with LHE and PLO.
You see this is exactly what I was talking about. There's almost no point in discussing this further with you. I just don't know how else I can get my points across. We can't even agree on winrates (25bb/100 live FR 2018?! Gtfo lol) Not only that, you didn't even make a proper reply/ address my view points.

The fact that you want to learn LHE and PLO first just shows how clueless you are. Those are some of the very last games id learn and I'd definitely not waste time trying to master them when there are much better variants to dedicate time towards.

It sucks that you've learned to get good at a dying game, but just suck it up, transition, and crush games that actually have legs.
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06-24-2018 , 03:09 AM
Interesting phenomenon how it's often those who know the least who are shouting the loudest and most confidently.
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06-24-2018 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
You see this is exactly what I was talking about. There's almost no point in discussing this further with you. I just don't know how else I can get my points across. We can't even agree on winrates (25bb/100 live FR 2018?! Gtfo lol) Not only that, you didn't even make a proper reply/ address my view points.
I said if I was making 8bb/hr or less now, I'd transition. Your other view points don't matter, because you're so far off on this one that you're framing the issue with wild inaccuracies.

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Originally Posted by upswinging
The fact that you want to learn LHE and PLO first just shows how clueless you are.
Good point. I should get a clue and focus on the games that DON'T run in my region, rather than wasting time on three ones that do. Good plan!

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Originally Posted by upswinging
It sucks that you've learned to get good at a dying game, but just suck it up, transition, and crush games that actually have legs.
Or I could just keep crushing the games I'm currently crushing, while slowly dedicating a little time to other games that actually run within two hours of where I live.
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06-24-2018 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Hi Upswinging. Most of your points were terrible. I have no clue who Sean Snyder is but DGAF is just another POS poker pro in my book (who takes criticism/disagreement way worse than OP).
Very good chance that is his 2nd account.
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06-24-2018 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jurament
being the poker equivalent of a climate change denier.
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Like it reminds me of the last time I talked about climate change with a climate change denier... or a vaccination denier lol
Flat earther might work better next time to mix it up

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Originally Posted by jurament
it causes me genuine anguish to see short-sighted pros
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Originally Posted by upswinging
tendency for poker pros to make life as hard as possible on themselves due to how lazy/ short sighted they are.

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Originally Posted by jurament
Upswinging drops real knowledge/is one of the few posters on this site that 'gets' live poker that isn't DGAF or Sean Snyder, and I think you misinterpreted him genuinely trying to help you and pass on his wisdom
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Originally Posted by upswinging
People give advice because they are genuinely trying to help.
Me taking the time to go into detective mode to point this out may almost be as sad as someone taking the time to create an alt account and write paragraphs on why they agree with themselves.
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06-24-2018 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheTyman9
Interesting phenomenon how it's often those who know the least who are shouting the loudest and most confidently.


Upswinging, how many hours of 5/10nl+ have you played in last couple years?

Cuse, how many hours of 5/10nl+ have you played?


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06-24-2018 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Me taking the time to go into detective mode to point this out may almost be as sad as someone taking the time to create an alt account and write paragraphs on why they agree with themselves.
Lol, I was gonna call you out on having too much time on your hands, but you made a fair point here, carry on.
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06-24-2018 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Flat earther might work better next time to mix it up








Me taking the time to go into detective mode to point this out may almost be as sad as someone taking the time to create an alt account and write paragraphs on why they agree with themselves.
A++
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06-24-2018 , 11:55 AM
You guys really think I made a fake account in order to agree with myself? Come on...
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06-24-2018 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
You guys really think I made a fake account in order to agree with myself? Come on...
For the record I don't think you did.

#PeanutGalleryOpinion
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06-24-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I said if I was making 8bb/hr or less now, I'd transition.
I always thought you were going to transition when you could afford it. NTTIAWWT
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Oh, wait. You are talking poker games? Never mind.
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06-24-2018 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Flat earther might work better next time to mix it up








Me taking the time to go into detective mode to point this out may almost be as sad as someone taking the time to create an alt account and write paragraphs on why they agree with themselves.
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06-24-2018 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by IntheNow
Upswinging, how many hours of 5/10nl+ have you played in last couple years?

Cuse, how many hours of 5/10nl+ have you played?


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Playing the Monster Stack, so not going to take a bunch of time on this at the moment, but for the majority of my hours since late November, I have been playing higher than 2/5, mostly 5/T.

That said, my live cash volume has been even lower than usual, since I was playing a lot online at the beginning of that stretch and a lot of tournaments here in Vegas.

I also base my views on what I can win at 5/T on observing the games that were running when I was primarily playing 2/5, and on my historical winrate at other stakes in games that play similarly deep.

One of the big factors in my winrate over the last year and a half, in my opinion, is my willingness to play in the best game regardless of stakes. So if the 5/T is a bunch of other bosses and the 2/5 looks good, I'll play 2/5... But I'm also not passing on 5/T just because it's all pros if I think I have a big enough edge. A couple of my best sessions have been 4 or 5 handed 5/T with all pros but I thought a couple of them had big leaks.

Game selecting has been hugely beneficial.
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06-24-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jurament
Upswinging drops real knowledge/is one of the few posters on this site that 'gets' live poker that isn't DGAF or Sean Snyder, and I think you misinterpreted him genuinely trying to help you and pass on his wisdom as a condescending attack on the path you've chosen.

I agree with most of his points, it's not that crazy prescient to realize NL cash is rapidly losing viability everywhere but the most niche/hidden of markets (I would go so far as to say that in 2018 unless you live in exactly Detroit or Rhode Island there's literally nowhere else on the east coast that the best players can consistently grind out 100k a year or more playing 5/10 while running even). You can deny that however much you want but I'm not warning you of this because I want to set myself up to crow 'I told you so' years from now but because it causes me genuine anguish to see short-sighted pros essentially being the poker equivalent of a climate change denier.

I think part of what it is that tilted upswinging so much is how authoritatively you speak on things and how bluntly you shoot down/deny any rebuttals when from his perspective you've accomplished so little in such a long period of time. You probably think he's wrong and that you've accomplished plenty in that time and deserve the right to be proud of what you've done. It doesn't really matter who's right between the two of you, but I do think it's worth examining why exactly you get so much more contempt than pretty much any other blog on this subforum without just dismissing it as 'trolls'.
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Cuse you've clearly shown no amount of logic/ reason will convince you... it would be pointless to try again on a new account. Besides, I don't care about you that much to try something like that anyways lol. That said, I'm pleasantly surprised someone made an account just to reply to my posts. It shows at least a few people are benefiting and/or have the same views as I do.

I genuinely want you to succeed and crush all the haters (you def have a chip on your shoulder), but the only way i feel that's possible is if you learned mixed games. I've been telling you and few other 1 trick pony "pros" to make the transition because the writing is on the wall for NL and you guys just don't see it yet. In fact, I think its extremely important that everyone slowly transition over if we want to see poker still being played in casinos ~10 years from now.

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There are many areas where high NL winrates are still achievable. That's not really what we're talking about though are we?

Most player pools are very small except for a few spots in the US. So you could briefly win a bunch before the game dies... but why go to all that work and hassle of uprooting your life just to chase the next grand opening of a casino/ fresh pools when you can learn different games for higher winrates and have a less nomadic lifestyle? Last point is there's no doubt NL games gotten tougher across the board since the boom and have only continued to do so. Why continue to put all your energy into a dying livelihood?

even if i gave you a best case scenario for NL (big player pool and very poor play) it would realistically be in very expensive areas/cities. Then think about what just one additional grinder would do to your player pool and long term win rate. Then calculate for 2, 3, 4 etc. I mean look cuse, as more and more areas have been dying/shrinking, poker pros get forced into a smaller circle. I remember when LA had almost no euro regs and now entire grindhouses of them come over to grind for 6 months a year. It's only going to get progressively worse.

I don't think there's a single poker variant out there that didn't die despite its popularity. NL is no different. The name of the game has always been playing the next new thing and trusting your problem solving skills and poker abilities to get you to the top.
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06-24-2018 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
You guys really think I made a fake account in order to agree with myself? Come on...
It seems more likely than not...
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06-24-2018 , 03:21 PM
Damn cuse now you have me so curious to what your Borgata screename is, feel free to spill the beans on that
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