Paying taxes means you made money, don’t forget that. It beats paying no taxes and making no money. First world problems right

Lol poker players paying taxes. Let me know if you wanna know how it feels to pay big boy tax bills.

Course its all relative I suppose


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True...

I report all my income, so I actually pay a higher % than someone with a regular job (due to paying the 7.5% that employers pay). But, I surmise you're just talking about all that sweet, sweet money you're making. Good for you!

Did you ever end up applying to Mensa?

Lololol I forgot about that


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Just been focusing almost entirely on poker... I actually totally forgot about that, lol, it's funny that you actually remember.

He fits in to a small group that's too stupid to get into mensa and nerdy enough to want to!

Hey EXCUSE I saw you getting abused like a punk at 5/T last night!!! When you gonna give up??? This FRAUD dumped 4K!!!!!

You suck cuseflounder, go back to 1/3!!! YOU STAY AT 5/T YOULL BE BUSTOOOO IN A MONTH!!!!! ITS GONNA BE AMAZING!

AND I WILL BE HERE TO CELEBRATE!!!! I TOLD YOU SO!!! YOU WITH ME TUMA??

Just come say hi to me sometime, UG. I'll buy you a beer and we can figure out why you're so angry at me.

Was at the horseshoe today. Didn’t see you, where you playing these days?
Cash players at horseshoe are horrible, I see why you play there. Heard their comps and promos are beginning to suck. I hit pretty good at a 9 hour tournament at md live, final tabling to a 4am chop, then back to the garage to work on my car’s coolant leak... What events are you planning to enter in the WSOP? Saw you there last year, but was in a hand and you were cruising in a crowd!

Why are we yelling?

I think cuse tilts people more than any other reg on 2p2

I'm playing everywhere these days, I've been at the Horseshoe a lot during the circuit but I played a ~22 hour session straight through last night, so I was probably asleep when you were there.

The actions been good during the circuit, but the rest of the time it's hit or miss. I'm not sure yet about my WSOP schedule. Could be lots of 5/T around town, or it could be a bunch of the $1500 bracelet events and a few others plus the Main. Bricked out all the tourneys I fired during the circuit, although I think I played really well. Took some beats and made one costly mistake nearing the bubble of an event. Ran pretty brutally in the circuit main, but that's tournament poker. Cash has been going really well for a while now, hard work has been paying off and the results have been great.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!!!! LOUD NOISES!!!!!!

Yeah, I still don't get why. :shrug:

How I picture u_g

Poker is crazy in so many ways. If you told me when I started this thread that in a few years, I'd be playing 5/10 NL at the Bellagio during the WSOP and playing a $3K bracelet event, let alone a couple Main Events in the past, I'd have thought that was a big effing deal. Like, 5/10 was where I thought it really stepped up a few notches... and the poker room at the Bellagio was the metaphorical "center of the poker universe.

But now it feels like 20/40 NL and 25/50 NL are *almost* where it's at. Like, I think that'll feel like a big deal when I get to those games, although I think the real established crushers play higher... but I wonder if it just always shifts? Is the "big" game, the one where you really feel like you've made it, always just one stake higher than you're playing?

Random thoughts to ponder...

How do you plan on getting to 25/50 without putting in full time hours?

Yes, those who think there is something to be gained from life (99% of people), are always chasing the carrot

Cuse,

You've made it man. For someone to say you haven't made it, well they would be very very wrong. Plus you're in VEGAS BABY VEGAS for the ***drumroll please*** World Series of Poker. It's sunny ☀️ every day there. It's like manifest destiny! You just go out there and enjoy every minute of it.

The mix games have and always will be apex of a professional poker player. If you can hang with the big boys in a mix you truly are a pro/ belong.

At this point pretty much anyone can copy/learn enough to play even HS nl... it takes true talent/work ethic/ intelligence to master mix games

I believe if you can crush a mix game/ any random game then you truly belong as a poker pro

^^^^ interesting post, any advice on how exactly to learn/improve in these mixed games?

Yeah, agree it’s pretty easy to make money playing poker. For sure if you can master the high stakes and mixed games, you are near the top of the heap. Most poker players won’t. They are probably too lazy to put in the work/effort, and they don’t or never will realize the weakness in their own game. Some of us are rec players who want to enjoy poker and make money while having a life not centered on poker...
I personally, am motivated by cuse’s success and commitment to the game.

The volume is not the hard part of the equation. As long as you keep your living expenses in check, it gets easier to move up as you get to higher stakes if you're simply talking about volume. The increased difficulty in games, mental game, are you cut out for higher stakes, etc, is the question.

But of course you're just trolling and I'm just answering for everyone else.

Great post! I agree with the premise of that video, although I think in general a lot of poker pros are sort of opting out of that societal system in certain ways. I'm still a carrot chaser, but I also don't think I will be once I (hopefully) have enough to set more and more of my own rules.

That freedom side of poker is my favorite thing about it.

I'm enjoying it. I wouldn't say I've made it, not metaphorically. I've made it so far.

First of all, I vehemently disagree with the bolded. I play in 5/T games these days where someone who has copied/learned from the usual sources is not going to beat the game for much. I can't imagine that working in the biggest games, unless we're specifically talking about game selecting really well, in which case sure, any nit can do that.

The mixed games are the apex in many ways, but there are plenty of "true pros" who don't play mixed games. I don't think it's a fair barometer right now to measure people on, because it's not a readily available path.

Like, am I supposed to stop playing 5/T NL where I make a pretty sweet hourly to go play 7.50/15 HORSE so I can start learning mixed games? I plan to do that eventually for the fun/challenge and wanting to be able to play bigger mixed games someday... but I'd be pretty stupid to do it right now.

Or am I supposed to move to Europe so I can play on ROW sites and play mixed games and grind my way up?

Or are guys crushing the biggest NL games who don't play mixed not true pros?

I think a lot of the best do learn mixed games because they want to increase/expand their earning potential and reduce their dependence on NL hold em since games are drying up in many places. I think that's smart, and like I said I plan on doing it... but you don't have to beat the biggest mixed games to truly be a pro or belong. That's silliness.

I think a good test of a lot of live NL pros is whether they can beat online for a decent to strong winrate, beat live for around the max achievable and do so in different locations with different styles of play. You can't do that with a cookie cutter strategy you learned/copied. So if they can do that, they have staying power for sure. If not, they're at a relatively high risk of being squeezed out as games get tougher.

I am curious about this as well since I want to get better at them eventually.

Thanks cutter. It's relatively easy to make money, although a lot of us here overestimate the math skills of the general population since this is a community where most of us have pretty good basic math skills. If you ever try to check out at a store when the register is down and there's no calculator, there's a pretty good chance you'll see what I mean.

But I don't think it's easy to crush, and these days it's probably not easy to beat most 2/5 games for more than like 5bb/hr... let alone the upper echelons of what is achievable.

There is so much good, easily digestible strategy out on NL these days. Any person that has the ability to earn enough money to afford 5/T definitely has the intelligence to learn and apply most of the training videos very easily. If you look at a typical 5/T there are 7+ guys who are trying hard to win money.

What you and many other NL pros fail to realize is that these recs/regs don't need to become winners. They only need to cut their losses ~in half for the pyramid to cave in and for the games to die.

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No limit is just one variant of poker. There are many types of poker games. It's fairly well known among regulars that NL hotshots are absolute whales in the mix games. To me that shows that most NL pros aren't intelligent or "real" poker pros- they just learned to apply the concepts in the vids better than the fish!

To me, the mark of a true professional poker player is the ability/intelligence to be profitable at ANY game and the foresight to only play in the best games available. The number and $/amount of mistakes in any random mix game is several magnitudes greater than a typical NL. The true pros know it and that's why they're playing mix games.

If you're a NL pro then there's a very good chance you live in an area where other games besides NL run. So saying you don't have access to games is a poor excuse imo. Even still, isn't the "freedom" of professional poker the ability to move anywhere?

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If you're rolled for 5/T then you're rolled for 40/80 mix. Personally, I think a player can win more at mixed being a solid tag than what an expert NL player can make playing no limit. That's kinda crazy if you think about it.

I should also mention there is fear of learning new games because it could be a waste of time. Lol it is NEVER a waste of time to learn new games even if you hardly get the chance to play them. The strategies you learn from various games overlap like you wouldnt believe and can give someone a tremendous advantage over 1 trick ponies.

For example in PLO you might learn the importance of position, blockers, visibility, and rio. Then you might learn PLO8 and notice the importance of freerolling/quartering, scooping, turning made hands into bluffs etc.

Then maybe one day the casino decides to spread a game nobody has ever played before called big o/8. You have a huge advantage over all (or most) players in your pool because you know plo and Plo8

Sup cuse!?! good luck this summer. Street Poker Chick and I are heading out tomorrow. We will be participating in the llsnl 1/1 game thursday. If you want to blow off some steam and get silly roll by. It is always a good time