Got my day started about 10 minutes ago... Feeling pretty good!

Obvious angle is obvious. Also lol at him meaning DTF


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I was hoping he was DTF though! (Down to Fold)

good luck cuse you inspired me to play 1/3 for a bit!

Cuse - Love the thread, and using responding to this as an excuse to subscribe.

I'm a lawyer, now partner in a biggish firm. Hours are probably much worse than most people's here, though I strongly suspect that the pay is much, much better.

1. I got my bachelors degree from an Ivy League university and law degree from a top 6 law school. Graduated law school in 2004, which was a much better time than now to graduate law school. Very important to run good by starting at a good time.
2. I live/work in NYC. At the upper end legal career in NYC is well-compensated enough to overcome the higher cost of living. In mid-tier jobs that's not the case and you're better off living in Houston or Atlanta, making a bit less and spending a lot less.
3. I'm 37 now. Been working at this firm my whole career (12.5 years). Made partner 3 years ago.
4. Lots and lots of hours over the years. Goal is to bill at least 2000/year, especially when coming up. Unless your cheating your hours it takes 5 hours to bill 4 give or take when you factor in distractions, non-billable stuff. Now I work 9:30-7 or so, with some earlier days and some later. Potential for calls and emails at night or weekend.
Could also get an easier job for say $300k/year (would be a very significant pay cut), which would probably be 9-5 and no after-hour stuff.
That gives me time for 5-10 hours of poker a week. Could play more if not for a family (wife and two kids).
5. Workplace morale is fine, like anything else some people like it some hate it.

How does one go about making partner? 34 seems young.

What were your hours like when starting out (I had several legal friends that probably did 75hr work weeks on the regular iirc.)

Is there a clear career path or is that like being top 5% + running good?

Basically in corp. finance you can make it to SR. Manager on about a 10 year time frame of standard working standard education etc. Salary ranges wide, from $100- $180 ime. But after that is director and thats all about being in the right place at the right time and having the right contacts. Again wide range, I've seen $150 and I've seen $300.

I know some 35 year old directors that are dumb as a door nail, and I know some 50 year old SRs that are insanely smart. So that is the peak / barrier in my industry it seems.

34 is pretty much on target for making partner if you start law school young. Basically you want to make partner 7-10 years into your career. I was a bit young for graduating law school, but took 10 years.

Goal in junior years was to bill 2000 hours/year, which probably means spending 2500 hours/year in the office. That's a 55 hour week or so when you account for vacations. I'm in a bit of a specialty field, which means smarts/knowledge are valued a bit more heavily than sheer billable hours (though those are important too) and that my work was a bit more even. Some colleagues would have 100 hour weeks than 10 hour weeks, which I couldn't handle. So some 75 hour weeks for me, but not many.

Not necessarily a clear career path for partner. Basically being one of the best (say 10%) in your class at a big firm, then running good. Of course, if you're in a big NYC law firm you already did well in a good law school, so the field has already been winnowed down some. Not to brag (too much), but it's not one of those things you get to be just because you want it and work hard, need skills and run good. Run good includes getting fortunate in picking an area of expertise, finding good mentors/role models, and being up for partner at a time when the firm is willing to invest in your area of expertise. That said, if you're at a big law firm and do reasonably well but aren't going to make partner, there are a ton of exit opportunities if you look in the right places. Most of them involve similar salaries to what you make as a senior associate, with more of it being bonus/stock options than salary as compared to a senior associate, and significantly fewer hours. If you make partner, you're probably working similar or slightly fewer hours than when you were an associate, but making a lot more money. That said, even our first year associates are probably clearing 200k/year counting bonus as a 25 y.o.

Also, being a lawyer of course involves going to law school, which is probably 3 years and $200k down the drain without scholarship. Why I always tell people not to go to law school unless you want to practice law.

Totally an angle, zero question about it.

I've actually never seen a dealer NOT immediately muck a player's cards when he says "I'm down."

That said, "I'm down" is more often used when a player is distracted by something else, or getting up for some reason and can't actively muck their own cards.

Ha, almost as pointless as the time honored 2+2 tradition of discussing 'softest' LLSNL games in Vegas.

I'm just saying if I ever see someone jam and then the other player says its a fold and calls the floor, I will laugh at you maniacally

What if you see someone facing a bet with money behind say, "Okay, let's gamble. All of it."

Then the dealer says "All-in?"

They sit there for a few seconds then fold.

It's the same thing, just flipping the angle and the action.

That's so terrible. So easy to do that to collude or team up vs a player. Especially bad because it often makes a player privy to information they otherwise wouldn't be privy to and gives that player an unfair advantage.

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California is a human dumpster fire...if they were more strict with angle shots there wouldn't be any games.

seems fine to me. what are you scared of again? its ok we can agree to disagree

They're both angles. In either scenario they can force a muck, force action, or get a reaction through angling.

fwiw I have played near 5k hours of poker and I dont think Ive ever called a floor for smoeone else angling, so we just have differences of opinions

Just called it a night after 11 hours and 9 minutes. That brings me to 123 hours and 26 minutes through 10 days.

I have a maximum of 19 playing days left, so I need to average ~9.3 hours... But I'm not planning on using the 31st, and I want one additional day off... So that's about 10.4 per day.

It's funny hearing everyone at the table give their ideas... which vary greatly. Don't take any days off, and play less hours per day. Take days off starting now or you'll hit a wall. Don't take any days off and play 12-15 hours every day and try to win with a week left, just in case... You've got it, it's a piece of cake... You're drawing dead.

Me? I'm just sticking to my plan.

Why are you telling people at the table what you're doing?

There was going to be no way to keep it a secret (which I know would have been in my own best interest in a couple ways), so I didn't even try. The drastic change in my hours and playing so much 1/3, combined with a few people knowing who I am, was going to make it impossible.

Overall the positives of it being known outweigh the negatives anyway, imo.

I just don't understand the troll mentality on this forum and this thread in particular. I've been playing with Cuse at the Shoe all week at 1/3 and 2/5. Never met him before. We've traded some stacks back and forth, and had some laughs while doing it. He's been nothing but a good guy and a positive presence at the table. I wish him luck in the challenge, and from what I've seen so far looks like he is well on his way to making his hours. Why hate on people trying to succeed? You don't dig it, there's a million other threads to follow. Good luck sir.

I would like to bet you that your bravo does not match up with your hours- and I will give you a 5% margin of error- how does my $300 to your $100 sound? I would like to see bravo at halfway point and at end of challenge.

High school mentality.

People gossip and ask. It's like a big deal in a poker room when you do a volume bet. Not discussing it would be weird to other players.

Hi Cuse!


Jk, you must be new here. Welcome. Whatever you do don't post any real thoughts in a forum called News Views and Gossip. You have been warned.