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07-13-2015 , 06:46 PM
Let me get this straight... I check back in here and the guy insulting me for being too much if a self promoter using some conspiracy theory about it when I could just post my name at any time... The guy who is acting like I'm a snake oil salesman...

Is hawking stock picks in my thread?
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07-13-2015 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Let me get this straight... I check back in here and the guy insulting me for being too much if a self promoter using some conspiracy theory about it when I could just post my name at any time... The guy who is acting like I'm a snake oil salesman...

Is hawking stock picks in my thread?
yeah but he said DONATIONS.......
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07-13-2015 , 06:53 PM
The era of me responding to every post in here DEFINITELY ended today.
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07-13-2015 , 07:02 PM
Hey, c'mon. I just added some sick value to your thread there.

Spoiler:
No markup
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07-13-2015 , 07:03 PM
And nobody's going to donate anyways. Poker players are life nits.
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07-13-2015 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Let me get this straight... I check back in here and the guy insulting me for being too much if a self promoter using some conspiracy theory about it when I could just post my name at any time... The guy who is acting like I'm a snake oil salesman...

Is hawking stock picks in my thread?
You forget you mentioned long ago that you didn't want to post your name/pic to avoid somebody from broadcasting finding this thread.
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07-13-2015 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
You forget you mentioned long ago that you didn't want to post your name/pic to avoid somebody from broadcasting finding this thread.
I also recently mentioned I didn't want it in here to prevent possible opponents from Googling me, finding this thread, and having a wealth of hand histories. Everyone at my primary broadcasting gig knows I play poker professionally now and they seem to think it's pretty cool. All the way up to the coach and CEO.
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07-13-2015 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I also recently mentioned I didn't want it in here to prevent possible opponents from Googling me, finding this thread, and having a wealth of hand histories. Everyone at my primary broadcasting gig knows I play poker professionally now and they seem to think it's pretty cool. All the way up to the coach and CEO.
What does the coach charge tho
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07-13-2015 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
What does the coach charge tho
1.5 or $200/hr at least.
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07-13-2015 , 07:27 PM
I'm going to do my best to ignore the trolling and insults, because it's not productive and a lot of the recent posts in here don't even deserve a response.

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
Just do it cooz, why not?
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Originally Posted by pockettwoz
Entertaining and seems fun. Ill watch...
I'm wondering how the games usually are since I never watch. I'll definitely be giving up some EV vs. playing in some of the juicier games in LA, but I think it'd be fun and productive from an experience standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Tim Brice
I agree a lot of what push is saying in this thread. I know cuse claims he will never fabricate his w/r, but there is no way of proving that he won't. Snapping a pic of cash proves nothing. It is just very convenient that he went from making $10 an hr and living with his parents to crushing.
I was never making $10 an hour at poker, by the way. It's not like I was making 5bb/hr at 1/2 and then started crushing higher stakes.

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Originally Posted by Tim Brice
I have also looked at some of his HH's and advice to others and thought there is no way this dude is beating the games at the w/r he says he is unless he is just on a prolonged heater. Other live crushers who I talk to agree with me.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'll just keep piling up the hours and results. Believe me or don't, believe I'm a fish on a heater or don't, I don't really care. Some of the people I play with think I'm a luck box, and I love it. It's great for image.

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Originally Posted by 11t
I talk with Cuse alot off 2p2 and he's def a decent winning player but tries too hard on 2p2 to impress people.
Thanks 11t, I do care too much about what people say in here and should ignore more of it.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
We don't really mean to give the guy a hard time
Bulls***.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
Players rarely go from being mediocre 1-2/1-3 players to crushing 5-10 in under a year (at least in live play...not enough hands).
I was never mediocre at 1/2 and I don't know how many times I have to repeat that I don't have a significant 5/T sample size yet. I posted what I EXPECT to make in 5/T games at the WSOP while the games are juicy.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
Anyways, I did say I was going to leave it alone;
Yeah, ok.

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Originally Posted by ITT666
Sure, but seems like everybody is going after him now. Just as you argue it's odd that he's suddenly doing so well, it's also odd everyone is starting to grill him now.

Also, perhaps you have more faith in the goodness of humans than I do, but if we are going to talk about reality and being realistic, I find it hard to believe everybody going after him itt is doing so because they are looking out for the greater interest of others. The world would be a far different and better place if so many people truly had others best interest at heart. On the other hand people love being able to feign doing things in the interest of the people when really they have far more personal, petty and selfish reasons.

In your case Push I truly believe you are being genuine in that you want to look out for others. However some of the other recent 'haters' I'm not as sure are doing things for such great reasons. I suspect they might have more personal, selfish reasons. Jealousy is one that springs to mind quite quickly.

In any event Cuse is not paying me to be his PR or his internet bodyguard and I too have probably said my fill. So I'll leave Cuse to defend his own name from here on out.
Thanks ITT, I definitely think there's some jealousy involved in this.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
Yeah, I only started commenting on all this after Cuse "accidentally" posted his exact chip count at end of day 1...which he knows pdf's are now public domain which show his real name...which then easily leads to his coaching site which is his name separated by a hyphen.

There's a sticky at the top of the PG&Cs saying you're not supposed to be using the PG&Cs to sell services, with a bit of lenience if it's indirect, and this seemed to be perfect way to indirectly plug it all in. Quite clever actually.
Dude, that's absurd. I posted my exact chip count several times, and I'm pretty sure I've done it in every tournament I've played. If I wanted to indirectly plug my site, I could just say my name and mention that I have a website. Before you brought it up, I've never even mentioned my website in here as far as I remember, and I still haven't posted my name. To think that someone who wanted my coaching would play Internet sleuth instead of just PMing me about the possibility is ridiculous. I'm not actively marketing my coaching. I have a website, which I update occasionally, but I've already gotten into the reasons. I'm not advertising it, I'm not pushing traffic to it, I'm not promoting my coaching in here.

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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
That's such an absurd leap. I doubt more than a handful of guys here tracked down who he was, you might even be the only one that cared that much. But even if they did, then they would further have to look up his name and find his site while also desiring to be coached by him. Which nobody even knew about till you brought it up. You've done more to plug coaching than anything else in this thread by a long shot.

Hell, if you type the word coaching in the search this thread part, till you brought it up it hadn't been mentioned in 6 months, and even then it wasn't some sort of marketing ploy it was just a discussion about it. You're really "mountain out of a mole hill"'ng this.
Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Snowball2
I mean, cuse seems to be pretty honest about his results, at least in terms of the numbers of hours played. He's pretty forthcoming with the fact that he has less than 1k hours logged in any of his stakes and that he's only been playing full time for little over a year. Those are damaging factors for someone marketing themselves as a coach. If he wanted to manipulate any numbers to his advantage, I imagine that it would be way more convincing to have a more modest rate but over a longer period of time.

I think it's fair to assume that a potential student has the ability to decide whether they want to pay a little less for a guy with less experience, or a little more for someone else that has a longer proven record.
Thanks Snowball. I also am not marketing myself actively, and offer a package discount to people from 2p2 for the first few lessons after which students can decide whether they want to continue at the full rate. So people have every opportunity to decide what they think my coaching is worth to them. Of course, now Push is going to say that I'm promoting my services.

I should have just made a fake account to troll myself to promote my coaching, Push is doing a better job of it than I ever could have. It's really not my intent to ever discuss it in this thread, except when I make it a goal or someone else brings it up.

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Originally Posted by Snowball2
Also disagree that someone can't climb the stakes in a short time. In fact, a higher stake may be softer than a lower stake running at the same time. With a small enough sample size, you can't really say a person is certainly a winner in those games, just as you can't say that they must have fabricated those results.
This.

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Originally Posted by ITT666
I mean, nobody is ever for sure going to cash in the main event, not even whoever the best NLHE tournament player in the world is.

IF Cuse's HH's from the main event are accurate and true then it doesn't seem like he punted anywhere and he did get close to cashing. Also if you found him via looking him up on WSOP.com, then you know for a fact he really did near double his stack on day 1.

So did he really screw investors over with his play? It doesn't seem like it. Like I said there is no one in the world can guarantee cashing in the Main Event.

Look I agree that Cuse's over rating his edge on the Main Event field, but that doesn't mean he is a total fish either. I do think he has an edge on the overall field and that he does have a positive ROI in it. Is it an ROI better than his 5/10 or even 2/5 winrate, maybe but I'm not sure.

I do think he's better than you guys are giving him credit for, and since I do believe he has a positive ROI in the Main Event, albeit possibly a small one, I don't think he is the worst investment in the world. But yes his mark up is probably a bit too high.
Thanks ITT. I think my edge is higher than you do obviously, but it's not worth debating at this point.

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Originally Posted by 11t
Few things: I bought a big chunk of Cuse for a price I negotiated. If people want to pay more or less than book that is their problem, not mine. I would snap buy again.

He played very well although he flipped near the bubble with AK for 20xbb which is the only possible mistake but unless like he snap called a push/reship I'm not worried.

People charge what they think they can get, which is the essence of a free market. Lots of bad deals in the marketplace but I do what I do with any investment, I vote with my wallet. If you have a problem with that I'd suggest you write a strongly worded letter to your college econ101 professor explaining how the free market fleeces the ignorant.
Thanks, 11t. I'll be posting the AK hand when I type up Part 3 of the Main and people can discuss or weigh in. As I think I mentioned to you via text, it was a pretty gross ICM spot, but IMO I couldn't fold to a villain who was abusing the bubble the way this one was and had some AQ, AJ, KQ, in his range - or I might as well just fold the AK without entering the pot.

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Originally Posted by 11t
Tl;Dr I think Cuse works very hard to become a better player every day and that he's already a good winning player at his stakes.

His biggest leak is he's a life nit anyway, not him spewing at the table.
Thanks!

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Originally Posted by 11t
Also, fwiw Cuse thinks I'm a big nit which half the people I play with think I'm a huge nit and the other half think I'm some crazy aggro spewtard so that might say alot about him, myself, or other players.
I think you're a good big nit though! Actually, I think you're more like a good TAG who's prone to some really nitty lay downs that are fun to tease you about.

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Originally Posted by Sequel2TheMatrix
LOL You truly are a piece of work. Tool of the year award right here. Congratulations.
And yet when you posted this, his best work was yet to come!

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
I think Cuse is a pretty transparent guy.

We've talked poker strat a number of different times and he seems to have a pretty good/thorough thought process on whats going on in the game/hand.

I think setting prices for coaching is a tricky business in the sense that most coaches charge an extortionate rate. As far as the concern of someone getting "fleeced" or some highschool kid thinking he can drop out of school and make 200k a year by getting cuse coaching im sure cuse is an ethical enough person to tell the kid how it is.

I also think its unfair to say that someone who is/is not crushing the highstakes can/can not teach effectively.

I have worked and talked with several coaches over this year and while cuse may not be at the tippy top of my dream team list for counseling he is FAR FAR from the bottom and I would not feel bad if I recommend him.
Thanks, deadfish.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
Of course, with tournaments, it's such an intangible and you can never guarantee results.
Read this to yourself over and over again until you get it.

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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
I think you're confusing cash backing for buying tourney action. In a cash stake, generally yeah, you should feel bad if you're not able to make $, that's a pretty ****ty spot for both you and the backer. MTTs have ridiculous variance, and 8,000 player MTTs have so much variance a PLO player would **** a brick. You can't feel bad about that, and you can't blame people for that, that's the game. If losing a MTT that you play once a year hurts you emotionally, you shouldn't play that MTT.
I mean, busting the Main hurts emotionally for sure, but I don't feel guilty like Push wants me to. I'm disappointed I didn't show a profit, and I am not happy about it, but I know that I played my A game throughout and that my A game was good enough to be very +EV even at some ridiculously tough tables.
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07-13-2015 , 07:28 PM
As for all of the posts Push made that I'm not going to individually respond to or argue over, I'm just going to say that anyone who thinks you should cash 100% of the time in the Main Event or you fleeced your investors is a complete idiot or knows nothing about poker. No other way to put it.
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07-13-2015 , 07:44 PM
Yes, I have been continuing on this longer than I should have. I just really don't like to see backers/investors lose money, but like Malefiicus said, it really isn't any of my business. And as I said, it is probably more of my own values than yours, which I shouldn't be forcing upon you.

I know you probably think I'm being a complete prick towards you, Cuse, and maybe you're right. I'm certainly not jealous, I would like nothing better than the road to $200K/yr in poker be so quick and easy. But remember that your blog could be influencing a lot of young players out there, and in that you have a responsibility, whether you realize it or not.

I certainly hope (in the most sincere way) that in future tourneys, you will cash and return value to any potential investors. That would make everything so much better.

And again, remember that all of this only came up once you started asking people for money. It was not intended as a personal slight or jealousy, or whatever else you want to make it into. If it were, I would've brought this up long ago. But hey, I'll try to stay out of it and let you do your thing. Can't save the world, right?

PS but if you buddy, Sequel, comes on here and starts up with me again, then all bets are off.
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07-13-2015 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
I know you probably think I'm being a complete prick towards you, Cuse, and maybe you're right.
You're taking it to very high levels of prickiness. If they paid per hour for prickiness, I'd be washing your Lambo pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
I'm certainly not jealous, I would like nothing better than the road to $200K/yr in poker be so quick and easy. But remember that your blog could be influencing a lot of young players out there, and in that you have a responsibility, whether you realize it or not.
I hope it does, and I hope it's inspirational to them. It's part of the reason I've been very open and honest about so much. For the upteenth time, I'm not making 200K right now. For the upteenth time, the road was not quick and easy - I've been studying the game for YEARS.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
I certainly hope (in the most sincere way) that in future tourneys, you will cash and return value to any potential investors. That would make everything so much better.
This is laughable. People backing me and others are smart enough to know that you're not going to cash most of the time, half the time, etc. Not ONE of my backers has been upset with me for not cashing, not ONE has said they felt fleeced, they felt they overpaid, they felt like I was bad value, etc.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
And again, remember that all of this only came up once you started asking people for money. It was not intended as a personal slight or jealousy, or whatever else you want to make it into. If it were, I would've brought this up long ago. But hey, I'll try to stay out of it and let you do your thing. Can't save the world, right?
I've never promoted my coaching in here before, you're the one who started all that. The only way I've "asked" for money is by selling tournament action I believe two or three times total. A circuit main, the WSOP Main, and I think I sold a second circuit main but not online.

You act like I'm standing on a street corner begging for money.

If you're so intent on "saving" people from investing in poker players, you do realize there's an entire forum of people doing this, right?

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
PS but if you buddy, Sequel, comes on here and starts up with me again, then all bets are off.
GFY. Sequel is the one always telling me NOT to respond to other people on here, so when he comes at you, you earned it.

You're clearly trolling at this point, whether you realize it or not, so I'm done responding to you, and you're on the verge of getting the ignore feature now that I know it exists.
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07-13-2015 , 08:08 PM
If he offered his WSOP Main Event action at 1.3 MU and sold it at 1.3 MU then it is worth 1.3 MU to his investors.

I have sold at 1.2 MU simply because that's what I wanted to play a tournament and felt the time I put in writing trip reports/blogging and the money I was putting towards travel/hotel was deserving of charging some MU. Unless you have concrete proof the person offering a staking opportunity is untruthful you kind of look like a hater to rag on his MU. Investors will figure out for themselves if he is or isn't worth it over time. I would say the same thing for coaching.

Even if his coaching is $hit and aspiring grinders buy $500-$1000 worth of bad advice it's still not going to be the end all be all of their potential poker career. Personally, I feel like surrounding yourself with poker friends who you personally see win more than you at the stake you are playing is the best idea. But, some of us are not so good at socializing so seeking out a coach online is a viable way to get better.

Cuse has put in 200 pages worth of his time on this forum and although I do not believe that alone makes him worthy of being a coach. I would certainly say it should earn him the right to talk about or advertise his services. Again, if his services are no good within a few months I am sure word will leak into this thread and eventually no one will pay for his advice.

Sorry to hear you busted the main Cuserounder.

I've done that before.

It's a heartbreaker.

Good luck on all your future endeavors.

PS- Pros bust 20-30 events in a row without cashing. Who cares if he busted the main? All in all it's just another tournament. No difference between busting a 10k or a $365. A brick is a brick. Keep shooting. GL.

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07-13-2015 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
If he offered his WSOP Main Event action at 1.3 MU and sold it at 1.3 MU then it is worth 1.3 MU to his investors.

I have sold at 1.2 MU simply because that's what I wanted to play a tournament and felt the time I put in writing trip reports/blogging and the money I was putting towards travel/hotel was deserving of charging some MU. Unless you have concrete proof the person offering a staking opportunity is untruthful you kind of look like a hater to rag on his MU. Investors will figure out for themselves if he is or isn't worth it over time. I would say the same thing for coaching.

Even if his coaching is $hit and aspiring grinders buy $500-$1000 worth of bad advice it's still not going to be the end all be all of their potential poker career. Personally, I feel like surrounding yourself with poker friends who you personally see win more than you at the stake you are playing is the best idea. But, some of us are not so good at socializing so seeking out a coach online is a viable way to get better.

Cuse has put in 200 pages worth of his time on this forum and although I do not believe that alone makes him worthy of being a coach. I would certainly say it should earn him the right to talk about or advertise his services. Again, if his services are no good within a few months I am sure word will leak into this thread and eventually no one will pay for his advice.
Thanks, Lot, and for what it's worth, I haven't been talking about, advertising or promoting my coaching in here. Push found my name via the Main Event chip counts, Googled me, found my website and accused me of posting my chip count just so would-be students would do just that. I had never even mentioned my website in this thread.

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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
Sorry to hear you busted the main Cuserounder.

I've done that before.

It's a heartbreaker.

Good luck on all your future endeavors.
Thanks, it definitely sucks a lot... Such a long wait until next year! Did you play the Main this year? Hope you got a nice cash if you did! (I'm assuming you're not still in or you wouldn't be posting right now.)

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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
PS- Pros bust 20-30 events in a row without cashing. Who cares if he busted the main? All in all it's just another tournament. No difference between busting a 10k or a $365. A brick is a brick. Keep shooting. GL.
Yeah, I mean, Push doesn't seem to realize the variance of tourney poker and that not cashing is an understood likelihood for your investors. I mean, when I've had non-poker people ask me about investing in me, I've told them that even though it would be a positive expectation, to expect to lose their money the majority of the time due to the nature of tournament poker.
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07-13-2015 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
You're taking it to very high levels of prickiness. If they paid per hour for prickiness, I'd be washing your Lambo pretty soon.
I don't crush the 5-10 like you do, so it shouldn't be a problem.

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I hope it does, and I hope it's inspirational to them. It's part of the reason I've been very open and honest about so much. For the upteenth time, I'm not making 200K right now. For the upteenth time, the road was not quick and easy - I've been studying the game for YEARS.
Yes, I realize that you've been playing poker for longer than a year, but you were working a near minimum-wage job full-time and playing 1/2 or 1/3. Your experience from 2/5 and 5/10 has only been in the last year, and the dynamics of the game shift significantly between those levels.

As for the 200K figure, that was me taking your own words at face value. You boasted about how you beat each level you play at for 10bb+/hr. And 5-10 is one of the levels you play. So 10bb/hr * $10/bb *2000hrs/yr=200K.


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This is laughable. People backing me and others are smart enough to know that you're not going to cash most of the time, half the time, etc. Not ONE of my backers has been upset with me for not cashing, not ONE has said they felt fleeced, they felt they overpaid, they felt like I was bad value, etc.
Sorry, I didn't think the idea of you eventually showing a positive ROI for your investors one day was laughable.


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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I've never promoted my coaching in here before, you're the one who started all that. The only way I've "asked" for money is by selling tournament action I believe two or three times total. A circuit main, the WSOP Main, and I think I sold a second circuit main but not online.
Okay, maybe you just set up that website for shyts and giggles and you didn't really have an intent to actually coach, and just updated it for the fun of it, and that website wasn't intended to promote you in any way. And maybe you never intend to use this blog to document your rise to the top-tier of poker pro winrates. It just all seemed very convenient and coincidental, and that's all I was saying. But I'll concede this one to you.


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GFY. Sequel is the one always telling me NOT to respond to other people on here, so when he comes at you, you earned it.
I didn't realize Sequel was the epitome of reasonableness. It's usually teenagers, and socially-disadvantaged persons that articulate themselves in such a manner.

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You're clearly trolling at this point, whether you realize it or not, so I'm done responding to you, and you're on the verge of getting the ignore feature now that I know it exists.
Yeah, you know what Cuse, you're right. I did continue longer than I intended, and I'm sorry for that. But it seems like I'm not the only one that has some issues with the way you've represented yourself. Heck, even the posters who have taken your side have done so half-heartedly mentioning that they don't agree with certain aspects of how you've conducted yourself. And I do feel I made some valid points that were worth mentioning, and you must be able to understand how it all might look a little convenient to an outside observer.

But you know what, I also agree that it's none of my business to get involved in your financial affairs. And that others probably do much worse on these forums. And I even agree with you, I think I have inadvertently acted like a prick towards you. I think I was out of line. And I apologize for that. Truly.

See how easy that is? It's called having grace and being malleable, and learning from your mistakes.

In fairness though, you've handled situations much worse. And then, when public opinion went against you, you refused to continue talking about it, even though you were the one to bring it up in the first place. And you were completely out of line. If you would be decent enough to listen a little to your peers, you might realize that you are not always right, and that maybe, just maybe, you even did get a little ahead of yourself in the way you represented your poker prowess. That's all I was trying to say. A little humility goes a long way.

Anyways, again, I'm sorry for getting involved in the business you're trying to conduct. I was wrong.

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07-13-2015 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
As for the 200K figure, that was me taking your own words at face value. You boasted about how you beat each level you play at for 10bb+/hr. And 5-10 is one of the levels you play. So 10bb/hr * $10/bb *2000hrs/yr=200K.
I've said over and over I don't have a significant sample size at 5/T yet and that I don't expect to get 40 hours a week in at 5/T in the near future. You just keep extrapolating out and ignoring that. This is the last time I'm answering that. For everyone else, just assume that Push's projections of what I'm making are completely baseless.

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Originally Posted by Pushaholic
Sorry, I didn't think the idea of you eventually showing a positive ROI for your investors one day was laughable.
You weren't talking about eventually, you were talking about ONE tournament. You keep trying to twist my words, and your own, and that's trolling. Last time I'm responding to anything on that too.

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Okay, maybe you just set up that website for shyts and giggles and you didn't really have an intent to actually coach, and just updated it for the fun of it, and that website wasn't intended to promote you in any way.
I clearly stated I intend to do more coaching in the future, I have not yet started actively promoting the website in any form or fashion. I set the website up in advance of when I'd be doing all of that, as it made sense to do so. I can't be much more clear about that. If you can't read it and understand it, then I don't know what else I can say. Last I'm going to comment on this.

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I didn't realize Sequel was the epitome of reasonableness. It's usually teenagers, and socially-disadvantaged persons that articulate themselves in such a manner.
When you act like you've been acting, his response is totally justified.

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Yeah, you know what Cuse, you're right. I did continue longer than I intended, and I'm sorry for that. But it seems like I'm not the only one that has some issues with the way you've represented yourself. Heck, even the posters who have taken your side have done so half-heartedly mentioning that they don't agree with certain aspects of how you've conducted yourself. And I do feel I made some valid points that were worth mentioning, and you must be able to understand how it all might look a little convenient to an outside observer.

But you know what, I also agree that it's none of my business to get involved in your financial affairs. And that others probably do much worse on these forums. And I even agree with you, I think I have inadvertently acted like a prick towards you. I think I was out of line. And I apologize for that. Really. See how easy that is? It's called having grace and being malleable, and learning from your mistakes.

In fairness though, you've handled situations much worse. And then, when public opinion went against you, you refused to continue talking about it, even though you were the one to bring it up in the first place. And you were completely out of line. If you would be decent enough to listen a little to your peers, you might realize that you are not always right , and that maybe, just maybe, you even did get a little ahead of yourself in the way you represented your poker prowess. That's all I was trying to say. A little humility goes a long way.

Anyways, again, I'm sorry for getting so involved in the business you're trying to conduct. I was wrong.
As for the Duke stuff, I stopped talking about it once he and I discussed it privately and handled it. You can keep bringing it up all you want, I'm not going to get into it again.

Apology accepted, IF you stop acting the way you're acting. I mean, you're even being a prick about the way you're apologizing, which is pretty impressive. You don't get to apologize in every other post, admit you've been wrong, and keep doing the same thing and trolling more and more. If you keep going, you're on ignore and I'm not responding to anything you say. This is the last time I'm going to respond to your trolling and nonsense.

As for how I've "represented myself," you can be skeptical all you want... I've never misrepresented myself in any way, shape, or form. As for listening to my peers, I don't consider 2plus2 in its entirety to be my peers. My poker peers are the people I know and respect in real life in the poker community.
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07-13-2015 , 11:26 PM
Push, you've made your case and you are getting the the point of violating the rules of the PGC forum.

I don't think you are intentionally trolling out of being mean spirited but this is over the top.
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07-13-2015 , 11:35 PM
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You weren't talking about eventually, you were talking about ONE tournament. You keep trying to twist my words, and your own, and that's trolling. Last time I'm responding to anything on that too.
You do realize that I even used the plural: tourneys. Clearly that meant I was talking about one tournament. And I'm the one twisting words?


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When you act like you've been acting, his response is totally justified.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here. Nobody in my circle phrases their concerns in that manner, irrespective of the reason.

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As for the Duke stuff, I stopped talking about it once he and I discussed it privately and handled it. You can keep bringing it up all you want, I'm not going to get into it again.
It's okay to be man enough to admit you were wrong. I assure you, we are all flawed and frequently wrong in ways we may or may not realize, I and you included.

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Apology accepted, IF you stop acting the way you're acting. I mean, you're even being a prick about the way you're apologizing, which is pretty impressive. You don't get to apologize in every other post, admit you've been wrong, and keep doing the same thing and trolling more and more. If you keep going, you're on ignore and I'm not responding to anything you say. This is the last time I'm going to respond to your trolling and nonsense.
Just because I said it was possible that you were wrong to some extent, too, does not make it a "pricky" apology.
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07-13-2015 , 11:39 PM
11t- I think we're both done with the topic.
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07-13-2015 , 11:46 PM
Pushaholic you clearly lack an understanding of both poker investments and social interactions.

Tool it up more
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07-13-2015 , 11:52 PM
^ You're going to fit right in on Team Cuse lol.
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07-14-2015 , 12:02 AM
Why are people on the internet so mad?
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07-14-2015 , 12:07 AM
Push, you keep talking about how he ripped his backers off. Getting past the obvious this is a sample size of one and he did get very near the money, in fact if he had won a flip he would have cashed and possibly went even deeper.

Aside from all of that, Cuse has provided a number of HH's from this tournament. Assuming they are legit do you feel like he punted in any of them? Do you think he played any of them awfully? If you do, which ones specifically, and what would you have done differently?
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07-14-2015 , 12:10 AM
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^ You're going to fit right in on Team Cuse lol.
You can check back to my posting itt if you think that is the case. But then again you assume any dissenter is automatically biased.

If you run into an ass hole in the morning, you ran into an *******, if you run into *******s all day you are the *******
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