I have a goal of making 2-5k a month playing sng on Ignition I'm an average player and I play pretty tight overall . I play the $7 triple ups on Ignition there 9max reg and top 3 pay equally ($21). I don't know my roi because I don't play that many in a day if I win the first one I usually stop and play the next day, I probably would say I play something around 3 at most in a day . I would say my roi is possibly something around 10-20%. So to make 2k how many games would I need to play per day week or month . My bankroll is around 700 I don't have any tracking software at the moment either . Also Ignition only allows 4 tables at a time .

Please no trolling.

um gl 2000 games a month @ 20% roi is 2800$ i think maths isnt my strong suit if u only play 3 a day yould need to up this to 80-90 a day to reach this per month

Ty for the reply that seems correct sone I would probably have to play something around 6-8 per hour for 10hrs each day it seems . Idk if this is possible or if I should switch to hyper turbos

Take it slow dude, set a 1k goal first. To be clearing 2-3k you'll probably need to be playing at least $20 sng's.

Yea I know the next level would be the $15 triple ups I've taken about 3 shots since December but I just can't constantly win like I do at the 7s . Your probably right though 80 reg sngs seems a bit extreme

Why do you prefer the triple ups? Have you considered playing the turbo 6mans or 9mans instead? I think the variance is a little higher, but the games are softer and you have the opportunity to hit a bigger cash, so your ROI should be higher in them.

Heres my graph over the past couple of weeks only made a profit of $220 and played around 200 games roi 12%. Im not sure if im better off playing mtts instead with fields no bigger then 200 players. Do mtt players make consistent money every month? Or should i just stick to sngs. I currently have a roll of $700. I would love as much feedback as i can get, All im aiming for is 1k or more a month.

MTT-Variance can be insane. Most players monthly income (at least mine) is swinging like hell. There are stretches whre you wont cash anything for months maybe and then have some huge binks etc. etc. (at least if your name is not moertelmu/Jabracada)

If you want to have a good monthly income you need to find games with

a.) variance you can take/afford (as low as possible for your question)
b.) good hourly

pretty hard to find those games online, but soft cashgames/SNG's will get the closest to your approach, which won't have the highest longterm EV for the development of your game or your profits.

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I decided to play a few tournaments tonight only played 3 cashed 1 got deep but came up short only min cashed.

My situation is this I only have 900 and my rent is only 200 a month . I'm trying to avoid giving in and going back to work. Not to sound redundant but smaller mtt like the one I played tonight (50-200) players I know bigger mtts like 500 plus would have huge varience but if the field was smaller would I be better off playing these or grinding out these sitngos instead .The thing about sitngos for me is the bubble play honestly is very emotionally draining I know mtt players usually don't experience it but bubbling multiple times and being bullying on the bubble until your out is pretty damn demoralizing.

And don't you think bubbling a Final Table or finishing 10th-27th in an MTT which you gave all your effort and heart for multiple hours is not demoralizing?

It is even worse and Bubble Factors/ICM are always there in MTT's.

I end up min cashing the same tourney again last night, Im going to take a few days off to figure out what im going to do.

Ignition basically has $3,$7,$15.and $25 reg 9max triple ups i started last year in june with a roll of $170 playing the $3 moved up to the $7 in September when my roll was $420 managed to get it up to about 1k by December played something around 800 to 1k games. took maybe 3 or 4 shots at the $15 level for maybe 3-5 buyins failed twice to show a profit but the 3rd time i won a few and was up maybe $120 but once again failed and lost the profit ive basically been at this $7 level since September of last year with a profit of $600- 800.

My current roll is $700 had to pay for rent and buy pt4 ($400)

Should i just stay at the $15 level until i can beat it or just stick to the $7 level have i been at this level for to long at this point ?

Not really a large skill difference up to 25. If u study your push/fold ranges the $25 beatable. Either way I would definitely be playing the 15's and not the 7s. If you are at all decent you are waaayyyyy overrolled for 7s, overrolled for 15s, and super co,fir table at 25s

My issue was volume. Average game took ~90 minutes if you cash. Maybe get 6-7 every 3 hours. It's hard to get 100 games a week without 40 hrs. At 40% win rate that is 250/week if you play 100 $25 games. 45% winrate gets you like $650/week at same stakes.

If you do play, START tables. The lobby may look dead but if you start tables ppl will sit

Pacquiao you pretty much nailed it . Those are the numbers and stakes I'm trying to reach . And my push fold is my weakest part about my game overall I'm a tag player but when it comes to the bubble I tend to play to tight and eventually end up losing. I definitely need to figure out my push range with 15bb and lower that's my biggest flaw forsure . I even posted a YouTube video of one of my sessions https://youtu.be/iTmwfGF9iGc

You should learn a little math and figure this out for yourself, you need 3x what you have; so triple your bank and play 25$ sngs at this same rate, being you can't multi-table. If you can't MT you have to play higher. As for mtts my opinion is that doing both and even doing anything that profits you is better then specializing which could leave you with no action and poor.

Your video I am watching right now and think you are to tight, being you raise and they fold. Seeing a flop with AJ 4 handed should be worth more then the blinds. And you are to weak folding J9 suited to a raise . You I think have yourself rated wrong, you are not TAG but weak-tight, a Tag re-raises J9S allin. maybe get a coach if you don't already, it maybe that you could have played down a little more at the end seeing they were folding everything but KK.

Should i just stay at the $15 level until i can beat it or just stick to the $7 level have i been at this level for to long at this point ?
It would be better to stay at the 7$ play the max table number they allow, and save up, go over more hands go over hands like a mad man, Enter a mtt say at 30$ here and there a 3$ is to low for you a 7$ sng is much harder, read DN's small ball it is free and very +ev of course don't follow it like a clone.... Live and Learn...

Remember NL holdem is manipulation and let your opponents down

If you are playing these you must learn push/fold. The bubble is where your edge comes by fish play too lose and most "tags" too tight. If you learn even basic solid bubble fundamentals you will crush, if you don't/ not willing too it's not worth it.

Again with a little effort easily beatable

Thanks for the feedback everyone its very helpful im going to study some push fold spots with icmizer but i also have a question about when does it become a push instead of a raise ? I dont want to push to wide unless i have to. lets say were 4 handed with 10bb but im the short stack and everyone has 15bb to 20bb im in the Bt or Sb with a hand like K9+ or Q7+ or even a weak Ace does it become a push or just a min raise.

https://youtu.be/KDtpNd7tkmw
https://youtu.be/UeLwnIu9B1E

So I moved up to the $15 today played 4games won one but lost the last 3 I posted all of my sessions on YouTube each session is only about 6 minutes long so I would love to get some feedback I shoved AQ twice and didn't get there and shoved A10 and got called by AQ not sure if there shoves or min raise fold in each spot you can just skip to the ending of each video to see each spot I think I played well overall didn't seem to hard really but it's kind of haRd to keep a positive mindset when you lose only down $21 could have been worse forsure .

Current roll: 636 -21 today

Should I have played any on these hands different I shoved all hands except for the KQ hand I folded to his 3x raise the two shorter stacks end up reshoving with QQ and A2 and first player had AK , I would have won with a flush. But on the other hands do I min raise any of them , and if so do I fold to aggression. Would like some feedback.

So overall ive played 20 of the $15 level had a good run at first winning 6-9 for a profit of $120, then losing 9-10 games . im actually thinking of switching to zoom cash games instead, I played about 1k hands so far and i enjoy it more then any other format up 3buyins on 5nl. I want to list the differences between both to get some feedback.

Cash game Pros. Deepstack play, Blinds dont increase making your stack shorter, You dont have to go all in with marginal hands hoping you dont get called. Improves your post flop play and analysis helping you improve as a player.

Sng pros. Honestly im having a hard time finding any pros about sitngos besides the payouts. Even if you double your stack your not guaranteed to cash.


Cash game cons. Playing deepstack makes it actually harder because you have a wider range of hands making it tougher to put a person on a specific hand.


Sng cons. Non deepstack play, Having to go all in with marginal hands. Not guaranteed a cash even if you double you stack early


But im also nervous about this because i know cash games are the toughest of any format. And ive also read some threads where it takies ages for them to move up in stakes.

My goal is Just to make 2-3k a month ill be happy with that, If anyone has any feedback on my decision that would be great. Im going to start at 5nl on ignition and work my way up Im Assuming ill have to get to 50nl to make 2k a month but im not to sure.

Also do you guys think it would be a mistake to give up on sngs at this point? Should I just continue to grind it out and try to win at the $15 level because I'm really conflicted at this point .

Good luck man

Thanks Max hopefully it works out for me,Ill probably start a new thread tomorrow.

for 2-3k you need to invest 20-30k$ per month (660-1000$ a day nonstop) with 10% ROI.

if you want to invest 660$ you need to play 66 x 10$ games (or 33x20) which you should have a 1k-2k$ BR minimum (50% more is better) at least. Keep in mind that you might end up w less than 10% on 20$ so you need to play more games than that.

GL877



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