I'm totally hooked.
Renewed passion for grinding.
Best of luck, not that you need it :-)

Well if the best HU NL player in the world can do this, anyone can. Doug why don't you play in games where you have the highest EV? Are you set for life and money isn't a priority for you anymore?

This question seems to get asked an aburd amount of times, but I will highlight the most important points.

1) I cannot play the game I am very good at. I have not been able to play this game for the last couple of years. I am not able to make any money playing this game, because there are no opponents. This greatly hurts your ability to make money. I have spent a lot of my time waiting around hoping for games, but I am sort of done with just waiting for something to happen that might not even happen (Also hourly is terrible).

2) I live in Las Vegas Nevada. I love my home here, and I really do enjoy living here day to day. This means the only real stakes I can play online are ACR/WSOP. As far as live poker goes, there are not many games running that I would want to play, or have a great hourly in (I am not going to go grind 10/20 at the bellagio). I do play some high stakes on ACR, but again its plo, not HUNL, so I am unable to make much money there (am I even profitable? lord knows). If I wanted to play high stakes online I would have to move countries and I am sick of having to do that.

3) I am confused why people seem to think I am not going to make any money from doing this. I understand that I am not playing for hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I also think people do not realize that you can actaully make good money from twitch. I make money from twitch streaming, I will make 10k from playing (lol), I make money in promoting my brand, and I also make money by being able to promote my training site. I will make money across the board, and I think a lot of people don't understand what the higher end tier streamers are making.

4) I have answered the WSOP vs ACR thing a bunch of times, but I will go ahead and answer it one more time a bit more in depth. I generally prefer to play on ACR. It has higher stakes games for me and I like that. But I dislike the logistics of trying to play there. First, what do I do with my bankroll that is already on there? I would have to withdraw a bunch of money, just to put it back on after, which is a giant pain in the ass. Second off, ACR is operating in a bit of a gray area online. While I am ok playing there, streaming there, I feel like doing a challenge promoting a site that isn't exactly playing by the rules doesn't set a good example. Finally, I know the guys over at WSOP and we talked about me doing the challenge on the site.

Hope that clears up questions you might have.

Thanks! Still appreciate it, with or without the luck

I don't know the exact relationship, but WSOP uses the 888 software. After that I am not sure what the connection is. As far as what the rake is like, its a short list of options for where I can play (see above).

I am not sure what you mean here. I am saying I am going to turn $100 into $10,000. That means I am of course going to take advantage of everything that any other player gets when playing online poker. Freerolls/Rakeback/the $100 deposit bonus are all going to be in play here for me to reach my goal. This isn't about turning $100 into $10,000 using only my deposit, it is about showing that I can take $100 and turn it into $10,000 using just that deposit.

This line shows me you got a great mind for marketing. Glad to see a US player doing this on US sites. Hopefully you'll drive a lot of traffic into these sites, although I do wish it was ACR where lots of us play. Anyway GL!

Great news. Now I can watch your stream for a good night and good morning as well
GL Sir

Doug, thought you'd be interested in this:

CrazyJim's been a member of 2p2 since 2003. Profile.

Hopefully he makes a cameo in here.

I don't get peoples confusion here either. You are obviously trying(and doing very well)to build a brand that will last a long time in the poker world. In no way are you wasting time by doing this challenge and it is actually a brilliant way to get a couple months worth of streaming content.

Why so salty?

Anyone who wants to bet against wcg for $100 pm me.

I think a lot of people don't understand what the higher end tier streamers are making.


How much do they make?

I think it's somewhere between 500k and 1.5million yearly

depends on donations mostly

wtf? are you sure?

yeah but we're talking about streamers who always have well over 10 000 viewers, doug not quite there yet, not even sure there are even enough people watching poker on twitch for that

most of those streamers with huge amount of viewers generally play a lot of different games, sometimes request from subs etc.

Hi Doug,

Watched some of the twitchstream tonight. Thanks for doing this.

Question: I noticed you were playing a $1 tourney and saw you post about also doing freerolls, as you start off with a $100 Bankroll.

How many runners in those on WSOP ?
Are they unlimited reentry ?

I don't have access to WSOP but have seen ACR small BI and free rolls get so many runners with unlimited reentry and hours and hours (and hours) of late registration that I wondered if it was worth the time. I gave up on them in my BR building attempt on ACR and have been focusing on cash games for the most part.

Are the fields and structures more reasonable on WSOP ?

Would you still invest the time in ACR type free rolls if you were doing this challenge there ?

Thanks again and good luck !

The high end streamers with donation-jar and developed "tipping culture" gets 20k+ a month in donations alone. One streamer accidentally showed his wallet the 18th in the month once and he was already over 18k in donations. If you want to see something sad check out the big titties girl streamers, top donators there is at 30-40k / girl. Just one tipper alone makes one year of streaming insanely profitable for those young girls. (Take in the other donators + sub + ads and it gets ridiculous for any young person). And they aren't even close to as popular as their opposite sex.

The "great"(as in entertaining/performers) boygamer streamers doesn't even have to be good at playing, it's about developing a bond. They make the watcher feel that they are chilling with their friend who calls girls on stream etc. That hearthstone streamer is a good example, I don't recall his name now though but he doesn't compete professionally in the game at all yet he is the most popular streamer almost always on hearthstone tab.

This is a thing that is going to be very different on polk stream though I think, poker players aren't going to be tipping their ass off because they are move money oriented in their stream watching as in gaining EV.

Some popular streamers that play the best games for streaming popularity doesn't even do a tipping jar(like league of legends), they make so much money from ads and are able to push 12 hour sessions without tilting all the profit away

I watch NickMercs on Black Ops III sometimes and that guy grinds like 6-10hrs/night and gets 100+ subs + 100's in donations every night. He has to be making insane money.

One of my favourite nerd-moments was when i was really into League Of Legends a few years back, it was due for the allstar teams to be formed, EU vs NA vs Asia. And it was decided who got which spot through voting on a website. And on EU side the top-lane was SOOOOO close between two players, (wick3d and SOAz.) it was like 0.1% discrepancy so they talked about it while the voting was going on and figured they would duke it out 1on1 best of 5 series with blind picking in the top lane for the spot instead.

so they did, and wick3d streamed it, he got over 180k viewers during those 2 hours or something they played/prepared for it. Much more than regular blizzard tournament streams for english commentators.

Not once did he play any ads, one buttonpress during downtime wouldve generated in 9x180=$1620. ($3 per 1,000 viewers, they run three ads everytime) - although ad-blocking were rampant during these times so we gotta cut away atleast 30% there I guess.

edit: number referenc; during these years wick3d were hovering at standard 22-30k streamers depending on who he faced in top lane at any given game. And so were all the other popular streamers like froggen, ocelote, xpeke, soaz. and so on. EVERYONE had 20k+. insanity.

You are definitely underestimating the number of lonely women and men lovers watching poker streams. Kevin martin is making a lot of money from them.

Ming streams bovada for a few hours a day, he has 350 subs/month and gets a decent lot of dono's for someone who couldnt beat micro's on .com.

IMO once doug stops bluffing micro players, he'll start making decent money just like jcarver.

I guess, I just feel the incitament for watching games vs poker are different. But I guess there is a buttload of people out there that likes to watch poker for the entertainment that arent browswing 2+2 daily and so on, HSP was popular once upon a time etc.

Although polks stream is gonna be atleast 15% regs on the daily grind that have it on the background/watches on slow hours like I do, and we aren´t exactly spamming the dono button, but I hope polk makes it mainstream and really brings in the avg joes. He is great for poker and as I said many times before he turned me from a hater to a die hard fan!

Gotta stop bet/calling rivers. Like 1/10 today calling there.

bankroll update anyone?

Damn. Absolutely brutal session today. Too bad this site doesn't have huds, I wish we could see the EV line.

You could just watch the stream as he's still playing. As of right now (7:02am EDT), he's at $52, down $67 for the session.

That can't be right surely? I thought it would be next to impossible to loose 25 buy ins in a day playing 2 nl, while 3 tabling.

He seems to be doing a lot of bad things at these stakes though. Like calling 3 bets out of position with low suited connectors.

I've been a winning low stakes player for a long time and the best strategy is to be a nit, make hands and get paid.

It's not very sexy to watch, but it's what works at these stakes.