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You should have done this at Bovada, then the poker fanatics wouldn't be able to hunt you and we would get a more realistic indicator on the state of the games.

If he's in NV, he legally can't play on bovada

The regs dropping down who are there just to play doug are ruining it for everyone. These guys are heckling in his challenge and have no respect. There's way more value for viewers in seeing how doug plays and adjusts against fishes than against a nl25 reg who's there just to win a hand in front of 1500 people.

We should contact wsop.com and see if they can make a new rule where no one can drop down in stakes until Doug has lost all his money at 2nl.

Might come as a shock to Cloud87 but poker aint that fair afterall. I hate it allso when the other regs joins my table where I'm playing a fish hu. Why don't they find own fishes GODDAMNIT.

Definitely the same thing bud, yep. Nailed it you did.

very smart post bro

Dropping down from what limit ?

How big do the games get on WSOP Nevada ?

Is it just me or does all this talk of regs dropping down fall on death ears. The guy took on a crazy challenge - which we should all applause yet I feel the talk about regs dropping down really discounts just how hard it is what he is doing. As a live player that was scurred fecaless of making a deposit online and ground out freerolls online to start a bankroll (and yes that also means no HUD or HEM etc) I can really appreciate what he's doing and just how difficult it is - it's really something else when you have such a limited bankroll because you really can't afford to deal with significant losing streaks.

I took a long break from online poker but currently in between work right now so last week I restarted my freeroll missions and have been hovering around 1-6 bucks on pokerstars until I finally ran like god at the ring games tonight and even binked a .55 mtt tonight and now looking healthy at $150 whereas the on 888 I was making steady progress slamming freerolls and micros to $23, $38, $58, $62, $84 and now back down to $4 ffs because like a ****ing idiot I sat down and multitabled NL10 made a few dumb moves forcing myself to win a pot and poof back down where I was over a week ago. That stop loss leaving NL4 is something I'm especially respectful of because I often can't bring myself to drop down if the br says I should (frankly shouldn't have sat down there in the first place but felt the rush and run good gods on my favor) because I'm overconfident I can right the ship and don't want to get that feeling of starting over. Thing is despite the countless times it's backfired I usually don't learn my lesson because the entire point of this is to take shots and move up.

What he is attempting is epically rough regardless of skill level and opposition. At NL2, even if you have a great winrate we're still talking about pennies and that crazy Russian that 3bet overshoves once every 5 orbits gets caught repping the Jackson 5 just as often as he has Aces so it's either a race vs your AK type hand or you're totally dominated but man you really want to call because last 2 times he was called and had squat. It usually works out but when he has it you just want to punch your expensive monitor over that $2 you just lost. You can always buy a new monitor but that $2 represents a time commitment of grinding that can never be replaced.

Back on the up and up! Gl Doug, love the stream.

That's just you. To the rest, it falls on deaf ears

I think this is way smarter. And I aint your bro bitch.

Triggered bro? bazaam.

Anyway to answer seriously to your statement: the rake at NL2 is incredibly high. It can be tough to win without enough recreationals. Of course people can do whatever they want. It's just sad that the challenge can't be done properly in this phase where rake can have a tremendous impact if other players aren't doing NL2 mistakes.

Perhaps micro-stakes players are better than people realize ?

Atleat I'm quite suprprised this aint all just 70/2 players donating stacks. People seems to play overall solid game w/ some nonsense plays to mix it up. Especially when it's wsop and yankees suppouse to be the biggest fisheh out there. Don't know though if he regs from higher stakes are playing because you don't too often get a chance to play Doug.

i was watching him playing a little bit, those nl2 games looked softer than lets say microgaming nl10.
so it's possible that 1-2 regs drop down to play against him, but overall that's how microlimits are nowadays. if you have a "fish" on the table he is 25/10 not 70/10. those whales are frickin rare.

Yes microstakes players have obviously gotten better over the years but the real issue is the rake.

If your opponents have any sort of clue what they are doing and there's no clear mark on the table, then it's really really difficult to overcome rake. Even for a very good player.

Hence why regs joining Doug's tables is so bad for him at this stage when rake is the worst.

I'm surprised he's not playing HU hypers. That's probably one of the fastest ways to grow his BR at this stage.

I think you're right. Doug said on the FB stream yesterday that he has already paid $100 in rake at 1c/2c and estimated it to be costing him 8-10bb/100. Displacing typical 2nl players makes a huge difference, even if they're just average 100nl regs.

IIRC, the issue with MTTs/SNGs is that they don't run enough.

What is the reason he won't be playing on Stars?

he is in the US (nevada i think)

100 in rake is pretty insane from a weeks play, gotta be more than 8bb/100. It's 50 buyins after all

a 1-2 guy likely plays for a living so chances he drops down to play w teh alled GOAT isnt happening bc they 1. Want to make money and 2. They dont give a **** about WCG. This isnt 2008 where some videoproducer is an idol to other regs, its 2016 where such a guy is a detriment to other regs at best





pretty grim overall if teh alleged GOAT cant get an edge on an NL2 pool due to rake. Also note that the "strong" microplayers (read: soviet union, south america) arent even playing that site




If its indeed 8-10bb his results so far are laughable if its more like 15-20bb(which id expect its understandable.

But if you cant beat 10bb rake on NL2 being teh best there is poker may very well be close to GG.

Ohhwait, thats what im saying for months now

I'd play wcgrider until I bust my site roll if it were hu on any stakes up to 2/4(the higher it were the less inclined i would be though) Ring game any stake up to 1/2 if it were 6 tables or something so I don't know about that TimStone.

And I know a lot of ppl reason like I do , especially if it is hu for some very obvious reasons. Plenty of guys that would come in their pants if they got to play wcg at 5/10. It would be the cheapest thing ever.


And j didn't even account for the possibility to rewatch every hand on vod later

Subbed pgc and twitch ! What do you think is your EVbb/100 at NL cash at microes ? GL