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why do the swings at these micros seem to be so brutal? Especially for a poker player of Doug's caliber? Is the skill level of play on WSOP.com that much greater than everywhere else?

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08-14-2018 , 07:54 PM

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robert_utk

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No Doug hates the challenge and most of the swings are +/- 5 BI because he is taking shots underrolled.

WSOP is softer than ACR in my opinion. Now, if NL200 guys are joining in for lols, that is a different situation entirely.

EDIT: He is having fun, just wants it over and done with.

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08-14-2018 , 08:58 PM

#903

.isolated

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wsop is softer than ignition ffs

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08-14-2018 , 09:34 PM

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DianeAbbott

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Originally Posted by robert_utk

I don't see how him being underrolled affects the size of the swings. The reason he is swinging hard is because from what I've seen of his stream he plays super aggressive in cash.

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08-14-2018 , 09:49 PM

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robert_utk

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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott

I don't see how him being underrolled affects the size of the swings. The reason he is swinging hard is because from what I've seen of his stream he plays super aggressive in cash.

Sorry, my point is that 5 BI is not really a swing at all, but when your roll only contains 15 BI, it looks swingy.

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08-14-2018 , 09:55 PM

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DianeAbbott

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Originally Posted by robert_utk

Sorry, my point is that 5 BI is not really a swing at all, but when your roll only contains 15 BI, it looks swingy.

Ahh fair enough, yeh I agree.

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08-15-2018 , 12:37 AM

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SpinMeRightRound

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Originally Posted by robert_utk

Sorry, my point is that 5 BI is not really a swing at all, but when your roll only contains 15 BI, it looks swingy.

There was a time when people recommended 20 BI as an adequate bankroll for cash games. Have we really got to the stage where poker is so tough that even one of the alleged best players in the world needs a bankroll of 50+ BI for micro cash? lol

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08-15-2018 , 01:43 AM

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robert_utk

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

cool story, thanks for sharing.

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08-15-2018 , 05:59 AM

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Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

depends on wr and std dev

Spoiler:

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08-15-2018 , 08:15 AM

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MichaelJordan23

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He plays more balanced then he should at these stakes. His win rate would be much higher if he tried exploiting more.

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08-15-2018 , 08:42 AM

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Xenoblade

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you still only need 20 buy ins as long as you are willing to move down if you lose a couple of buy ins

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08-15-2018 , 09:19 AM

#912

enzet

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he's up around 3.3k after yesterdays session

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08-21-2018 , 02:22 PM

#913

WCGRider

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Taking a ~16 BI shot at 200NL right now on Twitch https://www.twitch.tv/dougpolkpoker

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08-23-2018 , 02:09 PM

#914

Menace_2_Society

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Seems like right moment for "bump" Mr. Polk

Congrats

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08-23-2018 , 05:30 PM

#915

ohead

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congrats WCG you sicko, you are gonna make all the regs at NL200/400 so much money from people taking shots this week - being inspired by your run.

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08-23-2018 , 07:54 PM

#916

luckhoney17

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does it even count, u just proved micros are unbeatable unless u use bad brm

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08-23-2018 , 09:49 PM

#917

Me2theEV

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If somebody joined upswing and got near Doug’s level, they could aggressively shottake too

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08-23-2018 , 10:02 PM

#918

SB12

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Couple of clips from the BRC final stream

https://clips.twitch.tv/InexpensiveO...lardKappaClaus

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrowdedSuaveTurnipStinkyCheese

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08-23-2018 , 10:37 PM

#919

SpinMeRightRound

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Originally Posted by Me2theEV

If somebody joined upswing and got near Doug’s level, they could aggressively shottake too

you can aggressively shottake at any level, no one's stopping you.

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08-24-2018 , 12:04 AM

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Me2theEV

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I’m saying it in defense of Polk here.

I could aggressively shot take, but 95% of the time I’d fizzle out at 100 or 200NL.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Doug short rolling the challenge, and if a person wants to learn enough to have that edge, join upswing imo.

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08-24-2018 , 01:24 AM

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Strappz

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Originally Posted by luckhoney17

does it even count, u just proved micros are unbeatable unless u use bad brm

Was the challenge to prove micros are beatable or to turn $100 into $10k?

Regardless in the first go at this challenge he turned $100 into $1,000 before the extended break. How does that support the micros as being unbeatable?

I've inadvertantly done the same thing with both of my bankrolls on ACR and Ignition. I turned $100 deposits on both sites into four figure bankrolls playing $1-$5 MTTs before moving to cash. I did it on Ignition last year and ACR this year within three months on both sites.

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08-24-2018 , 08:12 AM

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TouchOfEVil

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anyone who wants to build a roll and have superior skill towards most of the field should have a agressive brm, how is it even a question, there is no rule that you have to have 100bi for the next level in order to be allowed to move up, just move frequently up and down so you have 15-20 bi at all times until you hit your percieved skillcap imo or a few notches away and then take it slow(im pretty sure he knows his limits).

As long as you mentally can deal with playing lower than you just suddenly did its fine.

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08-24-2018 , 08:58 AM

#923

robert_utk

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Originally Posted by Me2theEV

Doug admits it was risky. But, he also put it in perspective. He was only completing the brc for the sake of his viewers. He was committing his time. He explained that every failed attempt to move up could cost him another month of his life, stuck in the brc. That means more to him than anything else.

My opinion, when he took 3200 to the NL200 streets and got hammered, he went back to NL50 and found a new gear. That was 2000 in the bankroll. He super-focused and ran good and had 10k less than 48 hrs later.

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08-24-2018 , 04:50 PM

#924

Me2theEV

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When he restarted the challenge he had 1200’ish, how did he get that to 3200?

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08-24-2018 , 04:56 PM

#925

Xenoblade

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he played NL50, lost, played NL20, back to NL50, lost back to NL20, won, NL50 NL100 then NL200

just super standard aggressive bankroll management that allows you to keep risk of ruin very low by moving down when you should, the issue is most people think it's impossible to build a bankroll using 15 buy ins because "omg 15 buy ins downswing is totally standard" yes but if you lose say 4 buy ins you just move down and now you have 22 buy ins of the limit below, and if you lose some more you move down again

lots of people seem to have missed the point here

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