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Old 07-02-2020, 10:41 AM   #251
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

how do you play in such horrendously nitty games?
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:02 PM   #252
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

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AK/K9
Im snapping both of those hands but I suck so ymmv
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:15 PM   #253
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

well, even at microstakes a winning player shouldn't think about targetting hands not checking the river.

if the guy sucks so hard he's check/deciding straights on a 3flush river bvb, that's not likely he's going to fold them anyway. the only "straight" PIO (or basicly any reasonable player) checks with more than 5% frequency is AdKd on this board.

if you really think he should bet the river only with flush, or flush-blocker, that's a serious leak.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:00 PM   #254
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

You guys are snap calling the 3x pot river overbet with any AK/K9? I really don't think that's optimal... Even in GTO. And especially at micros.

Flushes are a big part of both players' ranges there. I think that SB should mostly check that river, even with straights. You can bet for thin value, but should expect to get raised a bunch (and not hero called very often).

One of you can run a PIO sim if you want, I might be wrong.

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Old 07-02-2020, 01:08 PM   #255
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

i ran it, AK and K9 and 89 are all close to 100% freq bets.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:16 PM   #256
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

fwiw turn overbet is not really a thing in the solver, but with the correct turn betsizing SB can vbet river as light as Q9 with small sizing, and definately betting big with AK or K9.
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Old 07-02-2020, 03:00 PM   #257
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

I ran the PIO sim:



AK and K9 should indeed fold most of the time on the river. So snapcalling would be a bit weird.

SB does however bet river more often than I expected, but it uses pretty small sizings: 89 prefers 25% pot size, K9 prefers 50% pot, AK prefers 75% pot and flushes bigger. That's pretty much it.

I expected that my actual opponent had a very capped, straight-heavy range there, even if it's not GTO. Which was the reason I bluffed. He can even have some overplayed sets or QJ hands.
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Old 07-02-2020, 03:33 PM   #258
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

poker is so different at micros lol wtf. vs river check QT is value town all day baby
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Old 07-02-2020, 04:00 PM   #259
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

Do people overbet the turn with worse than QT for value at higher stakes? It seems weird.
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Old 07-02-2020, 04:03 PM   #260
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

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poker is so different at micros lol wtf. vs river check QT is value town all day baby
after villain overbets on that turn I think it's safe to say he isn't doing it with KQ/AQ no matter which stake he plays, maybe some good regs after some history it could happen, but meh, it's pretty much always a straight with some 2p/trips/ random bluffs from time to time.

wp OTR, A+ exploit nyu!
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Old 07-02-2020, 04:24 PM   #261
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Do people overbet the turn with worse than QT for value at higher stakes? It seems weird.
ok I thought about it some more and I think you're right. after turn ob we're in bluff catch mode and vs most villians it will be tough to get value otr.

I will say that here's def some guys in my pool who will overbet turn with some stupid hands and then end up making a dumb call otr vs 1/3-1/2, and I think that will be a much more common occurrence than someone check/folding a straight here (even vs 2.5x pot)

But if people really check/fold straights here then go for it I guess, punish the nits
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Old 07-30-2020, 01:00 AM   #262
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Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

July 2020:



Bankroll is at 30.8k

Not the best month. Have been playing too many hands/hr in order to reach the 50k goal.
From now on, while I'm deepstacking, I won't be playing more than 1k hands/hr.

Some hands:

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Old 07-30-2020, 04:21 AM   #263
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H3: Vs a reg... Got owned pretty hard in this one, I almost don't wanna post it. There's only like 20 sec of time bank and I'm not used to playing 200bb deep :/ He insta shoved the river.

    $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

    SB: $103.36 (516.8 bb)
    BB: $25.47 (127.4 bb)
    Hero (CO): $36.62 (183.1 bb)
    BTN: $6.54 (32.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
    Hero raises to $0.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.60, BB folds, Hero calls $1.10

    Flop: ($3.40) 6 A 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

    Turn: ($6.80) 8 (2 players)
    SB bets $4.76, Hero calls $4.76

    River: ($16.32) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $4.89, SB raises to $95.30 and is all-in, Hero folds


    Think you want to be betting river bigger here & you're basically asking to get jammed on with ur small sizing way more frequently which could put you in way more difficult/unfamiliar spots than just going with a larger sizing.

    You're a sicko playing 20NL with such a large bankroll & nice results..
    gl with your goals yo

    What will you do after you reach $100,000 from 20NL?
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    Old 07-30-2020, 02:28 PM   #264
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    What will you do after you reach $100,000 from 20NL?
    probably move to another country and play higher
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    Old 07-30-2020, 04:45 PM   #265
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

    It might be helpful to study more 100bb play. Since you are used to the 50bb play.

    I never studied 50bb play (except probably 2009). If you are still playing fast fold, then maybe rathole at 200bb? For those of us playing 100bb for about a year (I am new to online as of 2019), that hand 3 might have been a x/c, if not want to bet big. Fear of losing stack comes to mind.
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    Old 07-30-2020, 05:01 PM   #266
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

    Are you still playing at 20nl for the purposes of a challenge? Because it seems like you're quite seriously hurting your profit potential with a bankroll that large
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    Old 07-30-2020, 05:50 PM   #267
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

    Hello @ZKesic, is stars still banned from your country?
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    Old 07-31-2020, 09:53 PM   #268
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

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    Have been playing too many hands/hr in order to reach the 50k goal.

    Fml
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    Old 07-31-2020, 09:57 PM   #269
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

    The +30k, no variance graph must be pretty
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    Old 07-31-2020, 10:58 PM   #270
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

    Honestly what's wrong with you? Why would anybody do this to themselves?
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    Old 08-03-2020, 10:00 PM   #271
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    Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

      $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

      SB: $43.09 (215.5 bb)
      BB: $22.82 (114.1 bb)
      CO: $25.35 (126.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $25.58 (127.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
      CO folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.30

      Flop: ($1.10) J 8 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: ($1.10) 4 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($1.10) 8 (2 players)
      BB bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

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      Pretty thin value by a reg, hah.

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      probably move to another country and play higher
      Why would I move? It's because I live in Slovenia that I can live off making ~1k/month. There's also no tax on poker winnings

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      it seems like you're quite seriously hurting your profit potential with a bankroll that large
      I'm not willing to risk losing my whole bankroll. If I wanted to make more profit than now, I'd probably need to be playing at least 200nl (I can't play as many hands/hr at higher stakes).

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      Hello @ZKesic, is stars still banned from your country?
      No, but I don't have a very good reason to move there. Playing on PS right now doesn't seem very profitable.

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      The +30k, no variance graph must be pretty
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      Honestly what's wrong with you? Why would anybody do this to themselves?
      You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
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      Old 08-03-2020, 10:30 PM   #272
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      Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

      from 20nl to 20knl
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      Old 08-03-2020, 11:21 PM   #273
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      You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
      This graph is so sick

      Wp nyu

      Vaaamooooooo
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      Old 08-04-2020, 03:57 AM   #274
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      Re: $100.000 profit at 20nl

      What has your hourly been during this graph?
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      Old 08-04-2020, 06:01 AM   #275
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      You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
      So are you saying you don't think you'd be a winner at even 50nl?

      This is the dumb part you could be playing just one stake higher and basically double your profit without any risk
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