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07-02-2020 , 10:41 AM
how do you play in such horrendously nitty games?
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07-02-2020 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
AK/K9
Im snapping both of those hands but I suck so ymmv
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07-02-2020 , 12:15 PM
well, even at microstakes a winning player shouldn't think about targetting hands not checking the river.

if the guy sucks so hard he's check/deciding straights on a 3flush river bvb, that's not likely he's going to fold them anyway. the only "straight" PIO (or basicly any reasonable player) checks with more than 5% frequency is AdKd on this board.

if you really think he should bet the river only with flush, or flush-blocker, that's a serious leak.
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07-02-2020 , 01:00 PM
You guys are snap calling the 3x pot river overbet with any AK/K9? I really don't think that's optimal... Even in GTO. And especially at micros.

Flushes are a big part of both players' ranges there. I think that SB should mostly check that river, even with straights. You can bet for thin value, but should expect to get raised a bunch (and not hero called very often).

One of you can run a PIO sim if you want, I might be wrong.

Last edited by ZKesic; 07-02-2020 at 01:07 PM.
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07-02-2020 , 01:08 PM
i ran it, AK and K9 and 89 are all close to 100% freq bets.
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07-02-2020 , 01:16 PM
fwiw turn overbet is not really a thing in the solver, but with the correct turn betsizing SB can vbet river as light as Q9 with small sizing, and definately betting big with AK or K9.
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07-02-2020 , 03:00 PM
I ran the PIO sim:



AK and K9 should indeed fold most of the time on the river. So snapcalling would be a bit weird.

SB does however bet river more often than I expected, but it uses pretty small sizings: 89 prefers 25% pot size, K9 prefers 50% pot, AK prefers 75% pot and flushes bigger. That's pretty much it.

I expected that my actual opponent had a very capped, straight-heavy range there, even if it's not GTO. Which was the reason I bluffed. He can even have some overplayed sets or QJ hands.
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07-02-2020 , 03:33 PM
poker is so different at micros lol wtf. vs river check QT is value town all day baby
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07-02-2020 , 04:00 PM
Do people overbet the turn with worse than QT for value at higher stakes? It seems weird.
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07-02-2020 , 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tgiggity
poker is so different at micros lol wtf. vs river check QT is value town all day baby
after villain overbets on that turn I think it's safe to say he isn't doing it with KQ/AQ no matter which stake he plays, maybe some good regs after some history it could happen, but meh, it's pretty much always a straight with some 2p/trips/ random bluffs from time to time.

wp OTR, A+ exploit nyu!
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07-02-2020 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
Do people overbet the turn with worse than QT for value at higher stakes? It seems weird.
ok I thought about it some more and I think you're right. after turn ob we're in bluff catch mode and vs most villians it will be tough to get value otr.

I will say that here's def some guys in my pool who will overbet turn with some stupid hands and then end up making a dumb call otr vs 1/3-1/2, and I think that will be a much more common occurrence than someone check/folding a straight here (even vs 2.5x pot)

But if people really check/fold straights here then go for it I guess, punish the nits
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07-30-2020 , 01:00 AM
July 2020:



Bankroll is at 30.8k

Not the best month. Have been playing too many hands/hr in order to reach the 50k goal.
From now on, while I'm deepstacking, I won't be playing more than 1k hands/hr.

Some hands:

Spoiler:
H1:
    $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

    SB: $20 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $20.78 (103.9 bb)
    CO: $20 (100 bb)
    BTN: $20 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T K
    2 folds, SB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.40

    Flop: ($1.20) Q 6 K (2 players)
    SB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60

    Turn: ($2.40) T (2 players)
    SB bets $1.68, Hero calls $1.68

    River: ($5.76) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $17.90, SB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.76 pot ($0.28 rake)
    Final Board: Q 6 K T Q
    SB mucked and lost (-$2.88 net)
    Hero mucked T K and won $5.48 ($2.60 net)


    H2:
      $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

      SB: $20.17 (100.9 bb)
      BB: $9.73 (48.7 bb)
      CO: $16.90 (84.5 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $24.06 (120.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 2
      CO folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, BB folds

      Flop: ($1.20) J J K (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

      Turn: ($2.40) A (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($2.40) T (2 players)
      SB bets $2.40, Hero calls $2.40

      Spoiler:
      Results: $7.20 pot ($0.36 rake)
      Final Board: J J K A T
      SB showed 8 8 and lost (-$3.50 net)
      Hero mucked A 2 and won $6.84 ($3.34 net)



      H3: Vs a reg... Got owned pretty hard in this one, I almost don't wanna post it. There's only like 20 sec of time bank and I'm not used to playing 200bb deep :/ He insta shoved the river.

        $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

        SB: $103.36 (516.8 bb)
        BB: $25.47 (127.4 bb)
        Hero (CO): $36.62 (183.1 bb)
        BTN: $6.54 (32.7 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
        Hero raises to $0.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.60, BB folds, Hero calls $1.10

        Flop: ($3.40) 6 A 4 (2 players)
        SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

        Turn: ($6.80) 8 (2 players)
        SB bets $4.76, Hero calls $4.76

        River: ($16.32) Q (2 players)
        SB checks, Hero bets $4.89, SB raises to $95.30 and is all-in, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $26.10 pot ($1.30 rake)
        Final Board: 6 A 4 8 Q
        SB mucked and won $24.80 ($11.85 net)
        Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$12.95 net)

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        07-30-2020 , 04:21 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by ZKesic
        July 2020:

        H3: Vs a reg... Got owned pretty hard in this one, I almost don't wanna post it. There's only like 20 sec of time bank and I'm not used to playing 200bb deep :/ He insta shoved the river.

          $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

          SB: $103.36 (516.8 bb)
          BB: $25.47 (127.4 bb)
          Hero (CO): $36.62 (183.1 bb)
          BTN: $6.54 (32.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
          Hero raises to $0.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $1.60, BB folds, Hero calls $1.10

          Flop: ($3.40) 6 A 4 (2 players)
          SB bets $1.70, Hero calls $1.70

          Turn: ($6.80) 8 (2 players)
          SB bets $4.76, Hero calls $4.76

          River: ($16.32) Q (2 players)
          SB checks, Hero bets $4.89, SB raises to $95.30 and is all-in, Hero folds


          Think you want to be betting river bigger here & you're basically asking to get jammed on with ur small sizing way more frequently which could put you in way more difficult/unfamiliar spots than just going with a larger sizing.

          You're a sicko playing 20NL with such a large bankroll & nice results..
          gl with your goals yo

          What will you do after you reach $100,000 from 20NL?
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          07-30-2020 , 02:28 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by FreeAgentX

          What will you do after you reach $100,000 from 20NL?
          probably move to another country and play higher
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          07-30-2020 , 04:45 PM
          It might be helpful to study more 100bb play. Since you are used to the 50bb play.

          I never studied 50bb play (except probably 2009). If you are still playing fast fold, then maybe rathole at 200bb? For those of us playing 100bb for about a year (I am new to online as of 2019), that hand 3 might have been a x/c, if not want to bet big. Fear of losing stack comes to mind.
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          07-30-2020 , 05:01 PM
          Are you still playing at 20nl for the purposes of a challenge? Because it seems like you're quite seriously hurting your profit potential with a bankroll that large
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          07-30-2020 , 05:50 PM
          Hello @ZKesic, is stars still banned from your country?
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          07-31-2020 , 09:53 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ZKesic
          July 2020:

          Have been playing too many hands/hr in order to reach the 50k goal.

          Fml
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          07-31-2020 , 09:57 PM
          The +30k, no variance graph must be pretty
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          07-31-2020 , 10:58 PM
          Honestly what's wrong with you? Why would anybody do this to themselves?
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          08-03-2020 , 10:00 PM
            $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

            SB: $43.09 (215.5 bb)
            BB: $22.82 (114.1 bb)
            CO: $25.35 (126.8 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $25.58 (127.9 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with A 9
            CO folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB folds, BB calls $0.30

            Flop: ($1.10) J 8 2 (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero checks

            Turn: ($1.10) 4 (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero checks

            River: ($1.10) 8 (2 players)
            BB bets $2.20, Hero calls $2.20

            Spoiler:
            Results: $5.50 pot ($0.27 rake)
            Final Board: J 8 2 4 8
            BB showed 2 K and won $5.23 ($2.53 net)
            Hero mucked A 9 and lost (-$2.70 net)

            Pretty thin value by a reg, hah.

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            Originally Posted by oneselfishguy
            probably move to another country and play higher
            Why would I move? It's because I live in Slovenia that I can live off making ~1k/month. There's also no tax on poker winnings

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by whitemares
            it seems like you're quite seriously hurting your profit potential with a bankroll that large
            I'm not willing to risk losing my whole bankroll. If I wanted to make more profit than now, I'd probably need to be playing at least 200nl (I can't play as many hands/hr at higher stakes).

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
            Hello @ZKesic, is stars still banned from your country?
            No, but I don't have a very good reason to move there. Playing on PS right now doesn't seem very profitable.

            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Tuma
            The +30k, no variance graph must be pretty
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            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Ebudae
            Honestly what's wrong with you? Why would anybody do this to themselves?
            You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
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            08-03-2020 , 10:30 PM
            from 20nl to 20knl
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            08-03-2020 , 11:21 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by ZKesic



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            You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
            This graph is so sick

            Wp nyu

            Vaaamooooooo
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            08-04-2020 , 03:57 AM
            What has your hourly been during this graph?
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            08-04-2020 , 06:01 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by ZKesic
            You mean, why would I choose to have a stable, stress-free form of income instead of risking it all at higher stakes?
            So are you saying you don't think you'd be a winner at even 50nl?

            This is the dumb part you could be playing just one stake higher and basically double your profit without any risk
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