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Old 07-21-2021, 11:27 AM   #1801
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Aesah just recently posted the Mexican Fisherman parable in his thread, which seems kinda applicable here, imo. At the very least, you'd think a middle ground would be something to shoot for.

But obviously each to their own and good luck OP.

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Old 07-21-2021, 03:06 PM   #1802
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Old 07-21-2021, 04:32 PM   #1803
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What? Life? Well yeah, but the variables are more complexed then initially suspected...
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Old 07-21-2021, 11:31 PM   #1804
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Aesah just recently posted the Mexican Fisherman parable in his thread, which seems kinda applicable here, imo. At the very least, you'd think a middle ground would be something to shoot for.

But obviously each to their own and good luck OP.

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Old 07-22-2021, 06:23 AM   #1805
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Time for a Play a hand with me! (PAHWM)

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Main V is in the BB. Same exact maniac.

PFR is a good reg, leans tight. Aware of the dynamic

$1920E

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Pre-flop: good reg RFI $20 HJ. Folds to Hero in the SB who wakes up with A K.
This PAHWM got interrupted, might as well just share results! I overcall pre as jrr suggested and then x/c flop-turn-river.

Runout ($3,960): K Q 6 5 J

I had A K, V took it down with K J.

V played a hand earlier where they GII w K5 no draw on 732 for 1k+ and another one similar to that—- so with that info in addition to all the preflop spew I thought calling down would be the best line

never fun to get 3 outed for 1000bb/$4,000 to close the night but didn’t sweat it and bounced back the next day w a pretty healthy grind

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Old 07-22-2021, 07:46 AM   #1806
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How do you go about tracking results on apps, do you play w/in a club that allows HUD?

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Old 07-22-2021, 03:08 PM   #1807
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This PAHWM got interrupted, might as well just share results! I overcall pre as jrr suggested and then x/c flop-turn-river.

Runout ($3,960): K Q 6 5 J

I had A K, V took it down with K J.

V played a hand earlier where they GII w K5 no draw on 732 for 1k+ and another one similar to that
ó- so with that info in addition to all the preflop spew I thought calling down would be the best line

never fun to get 3 outed for 1000bb/$4,000 to close the night but didnít sweat it and bounced back the next day w a pretty healthy grind

this is a "good reg"?
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Old 07-23-2021, 12:06 AM   #1808
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Hi, ty for the question!

I'll answer this, but I don't want to set a bad precedent.

For future reference, I've answered these kinds of questions several times I'm pretty sure! (Depending on the q)

So they may be ignored in the future



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How do you go about tracking results on apps
manually via excel, docs, notepad etc

your agent (the person you deposit/w/d through) can see your stats/results/etc which helps

for HHs, I pull it from the app(s) and save it manually while I'm playing usually.

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do you play w/in a club that allows HUD?
i don't use any software (HUDS, tracking software, etc)

most regs do

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this is a "good reg"?
the OR is a good reg, the bolded is referring to Main V (squeezer in this hand/maniac)

see below for rest of preflop action.

I x/c flop-turn-river.

unfortunate results, thought preflop was unique/interesting hence the post.

also think we can maybe put in a raise pot somewhere.

however can say with near certainty that folding post-flop (on this runout) is not an option vs this V, for obvious reasons. V simply has too many bluffs.

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Hero just calls, expecting a sqz from the maniac. V sqz BB $120. OR hesitates and calls.

I expect the OR to be pretty tight here. This V has cold called AA vs an open a few times and then put in a backraise in some pretty good spots.

Hero? Are you just overcalling AP?
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Old 07-23-2021, 03:12 AM   #1809
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400nl

Backstory of this HH is that the same maniac from the other HHs is going crazy. The maniac is in the BB.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Tight reg, aware of the dynamic limps UTG $4. Hero iso +1 $20 with A K. 3 regs/unknowns all call. Maniac squeezes $120 BB, as expected. UTG now l/rr $348.

Hero?

I had $800 for this HH, the other players have around 3k on avg if that shifts anything (pretty deep to stack off anything but AA vs this l/rr in any of the cold callers shoes)

I expect there some to be trapping by the cold callers, but I do think I have fold equity vs QQ, AKs- as well.

Hard to tell if this l/rr is just AA or a function of the maniacs range + all the dead money etc. the l/rr’er has position on the maniac (but no one else) so that could be a consideration with their line as well

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Old 07-23-2021, 05:42 PM   #1810
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400nl

Backstory of this HH is that the same maniac from the other HHs is going crazy. The maniac is in the BB.

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Pre-flop: Tight reg, aware of the dynamic limps UTG $4. Hero iso +1 $20 with A K. 3 regs/unknowns all call. Maniac squeezes $120 BB, as expected. UTG now l/rr $348.

Hero?
Hero folds. Folds around to BB, who calls. UTG takes it down OTT w a double barrel on a K high board
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Old 07-23-2021, 08:29 PM   #1811
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the OR is a good reg, the bolded is referring to Main V (squeezer in this hand/maniac)

see below for rest of preflop action.

I x/c flop-turn-river.

unfortunate results, thought preflop was unique/interesting hence the post.

also think we can maybe put in a raise pot somewhere.

however can say with near certainty that folding post-flop (on this runout) is not an option vs this V, for obvious reasons. V simply has too many bluffs.
In lolive poker AK on a KQxx J board is not that great against a river bet. Regs are checking the few hands you beat. Maybe the solver sees them differently in this game.

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Old 07-24-2021, 12:22 AM   #1812
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In lolive poker AK on a KQxx J board is not that great against a river bet. Regs are checking the few hands you beat. Maybe the solver sees them differently in this game.

GL in Vegas.
Ty for the comment, sir.

It’s understandably confusing given the HH was initially split up but remember, as stated in the part you quoted, that Main V (the one we stacked off versus) was a maniac.

And not just any maniac.

Versus a player that’s sticking in 1k+ w K5 no FD on 732 and gii 109o, 108o pre for similar amounts- folding river is unreasonable.

We’re getting a price and don’t need to beat any value (given how much spazz/bluffs V is likely to flip over) for our call to be printing piles

I do think preflop is interesting however

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Old 07-24-2021, 06:54 AM   #1813
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200nl

$185E w BB. $245E w BTN.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero opens $6 HJ with A K. Recreational player calls btn. Unknown 3b $30 BB. Hero just calls. BTN backjams. BB tank jams.

Hero?

Off the top of my head I need something like 33% eq to call profitably if I’m not mistaken.

This BB squeeze is usually far tighter than in optimal so I’ll flat IP a lot more often and 4b very little.

The btn backjam from a recreational is rarely a strong range and then BB’s tank before putting it in usually weakens their range, hollywooding aside.

This kind of spot is mostly whatever, I just love solving problems!
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Old 07-24-2021, 05:09 PM   #1814
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Another HH v the l/rr.

Backstory of this HH is that the same maniac from the other HHs is going crazy. The maniac is in LP. He surprisingly folds here, which was rare.

Also, great call by dubnjoy on the limping adjustment and what that entails

A lot of the better players (a few skill levels above the bad regs like me) have very flexible strategies and are dialed into everything.

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$820E.

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Pre-flop: Very aggro reg, aware of the dynamic limps UTG. Another reg completes SB. Hero raises BB $24 with K K. UTG now l/rr $100. SB folds. Hero calls(?).

Flop ($204): 10 5 2. Hero checks. V bets $67. Hero calls(?).

Turn ($338): 10 5 2 3. Hero checks. V continues $255.

Hero? $650E going into the turn.

V is extremely aggressive, but I haven’t seen the l/rr from V.

I think I’ll just be calling everything I choose to continue here preflop.

iz something to consider here is that if the river bricks off we’ll see a jam a lot.

But pretty unsure all around- hard to have a great feel in this kind of spot when you haven’t seen V hasn’t take this line before

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Old 07-25-2021, 03:38 AM   #1815
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V is std. reg

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Pre-flop: V opens $10 CO. Hero calls BB with 10 10.

Flop ($22): A 10 6. Hero checks. V bets $8. Hero x/r $36. V calls.

Turn ($94): A 10 6 4. Hero continues $116. V calls.

Flop ($326): A 10 6 4 5. Hero checks. V jams $238.

Hero?

Pre was mixed.

Flop and turn are relatively standard as well ime.

I’m not sure about river all around, but I think x/eval should be fine? We would have jammed any blank ourselves, like the 5.

versus villains jam it seems tricky given this is a spot that’s heavily underbluffed? I don’t think V has worse value with this sizing in practice often apart from 66s occasionally.

We’ll need to see a healthy amount of K Q type of stuff.

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Old 07-25-2021, 04:43 AM   #1816
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I suck deep but don't think you should be flatting all of your continue range PF in the KK hand.

Pretty sure you have to call the river in the TT hand but I am just shoving the river and shrugging when I get stacked
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Old 07-25-2021, 06:26 AM   #1817
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yeah if you think villain is both underbluffing and unlikely to bet much worse value, then surely shoving is better than check/call?
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Old 07-25-2021, 08:47 AM   #1818
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I suck deep but don't think you should be flatting all of your continue range PF in the KK hand.

Pretty sure you have to call the river in the TT hand but I am just shoving the river and shrugging when I get stacked
ty for the feedback!

KKs hand— I tend to resort to that kind of simplification a lot in unusual spots.

It serves me well in practice while multi-tabling given the limited time/info/experience in the spot etc but obv in the analysis of the spot afterwards I don’t factor that in really.

And calling is probably a mistake, yeah.

TTs hand- see below for some additional thoughts

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yeah if you think villain is both underbluffing and unlikely to bet much worse value, then surely shoving is better than check/call?
Ty for dropping in!

I think this spot is both under bluffed when we x as well as over folded when we jam by competent online regs.

So I think we should be tripling off quite a bit more than in optimal with our bluffs as well as exercising more caution with our non nutted value. This specifically isn’t rooted in theory

but hand is pretty strong of course though. I take pride in coming to the right decisions in these kinds of spots, but honestly can’t go wrong stacking off every time of course read-less

Given it’s a SRP, V will have A 2 - A K, K T - K Q, T x, 87s, etc

I don’t remember off the top of my head, but I believe solver even mixes folds with TT vs a jam from us in villains shoes. And I definitely think most V folding AK, A10- mostly.

As for the check, we want to have some x/c protecting ourselves as V will have lots of Broadway cards as well as hands like KK-JJ that are solid bluff candidates imo.

This is partially why I usually don’t post these reg v reg mid-steaks hands. It can get very technical and I’m just clicking buttons myself. Hands vs recreationals more fun and there’s more room for creativity in lines etc

tldr; I’m thinking jam>x/c in a vacuum but maybe this is a good spot to click fold AP? Idk

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Old 07-25-2021, 02:39 PM   #1819
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V is std. reg

OTTH

Pre-flop: V opens $10 CO. Hero calls BB with 10 10.

Flop ($22): A 10 6. Hero checks. V bets $8. Hero x/r $36. V calls.

Turn ($94): A 10 6 4. Hero continues $116. V calls.

Flop ($326): A 10 6 4 5. Hero checks. V jams $238.

Hero?

Pre was mixed.

Flop and turn are relatively standard as well ime.

Iím not sure about river all around, but I think x/eval should be fine? We would have jammed any blank ourselves, like the 5.

versus villains jam it seems tricky given this is a spot thatís heavily underbluffed? I donít think V has worse value with this sizing in practice often apart from 66s occasionally.

Weíll need to see a healthy amount of K Q type of stuff.

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Is the standard line transparent?
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Old 07-25-2021, 06:55 PM   #1820
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Is the standard line transparent?
it depends what you mean!

we can 3b preflop sometimes, don’t have to x/r flop to the sizing we choose or at all etc

theoretically speaking it will come at the expense of EV, but we can do plenty of different things in a vacuum.

I think too many autopilot this river spot and shrug off w/e happens but I think the attention to detail to every large pot (big blinds not $) pays huge dividends for the future

sometimes you cooler someone/get coolered, but visualizing the likely ranges that arrive to the river correctly (both hero and villain) is extremely important to be able to do in game.

We want to have clarity wrt what line we will take with every hand we play this way in this spot, not just this one.

Competent online regs (so a few levels above me) do that significantly better than even solid 5/10 live pros ime
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200/400/800nl

V seems to try to get away with too much pre to get involved with the fun players, but is very competent/capable post.

Tough to play against as well as seemingly dialed into everything such as the dynamic. Views me as very tight (relative to the game/him) which complicates things here.

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$855E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg straddles $8. Hero raises EP $28 with A A. V cc MP. Whale overcalls BB. Straddle comes along.

Flop ($114): 9 7 2. Checks to me. Hero checks. Main V bets $75. Fold. Fold. Hero just calls.

Turn ($264): 9 7 2 5. Hero checks. V continues $125. Hero calls.

River ($514): 9 7 2 5 6. Hero checks. V times down and then jams $626E.

What are you clicking AP in my shoes?
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Old 07-25-2021, 08:25 PM   #1822
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Pretty gross spot with lots of levels to the meta game going on for such a spot with the dynamic you mentioned. I’d probably call without the As and fold the combos with it.
Expecting to mainly lose to 77/99 and not so much 8x, maybe 89 suited sometimes.
Not a fun spot, but if he views you as tight he might think you’re folding op’s too much here. Def sucks cuz I’d expect him to have a more mid-pocket condensed cold call range here with whale in the big blind.
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Old 07-25-2021, 08:27 PM   #1823
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For what it’s worth, you should pay attention to see if you have a timing tell in the future on this guy on river jams. His tank is either sincere or not, and might remain consistent in the future if you play him a lot.
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Pretty gross spot with lots of levels to the meta game going on for such a spot with the dynamic you mentioned. Iíd probably call without the As and fold the combos with it.
Expecting to mainly lose to 77/99 and not so much 8x, maybe 89 suited sometimes.
Not a fun spot, but if he views you as tight he might think youíre folding opís too much here. Def sucks cuz Iíd expect him to have a more mid-pocket condensed cold call range here with whale in the big blind.
ty for the feedback and for dropping in! pretty much my thoughts on this spot in game

in hindsight theyíre a little deeper with some extra considerations and what not but in game time is limited and thereís a lot going on etc

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For what itís worth, you should pay attention to see if you have a timing tell in the future on this guy on river jams. His tank is either sincere or not, and might remain consistent in the future if you play him a lot.


Definitely think itís something worth paying attention to
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Not sure I like checking the flop in the AA hand
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