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Old 07-13-2020, 05:50 AM   #101
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dont do it, not in 2020

if u must then chase this pipedream for 1-2 years TOPS
if results are not incredible by then, then get a ****en job.
it will be much harder by then to get a job, but u paid the price of having "freedom" or whatever it is that made u do poker instead of a job

take into consideration the advantages of having risk-free income vs. volatile income and
also take into the consideration that u'll be earning more in a job a few years from today and
also take in consideration the fact that the ceiling of poker is lowering as time goes by and
also take into consideration the game gets tougher and more quantitative as time goes by

i mean im sure uve considered this yet u still r leaning towards "poker over job".
the reality is every winning player is just as competent and have the tools u have as well. maybe they could never achieve NM but they can achieve other things u will never achieve

lots of people think they are the one exception and will succeed at poker, but u'll just be pit against a bunch of urselves
okay, good luck.

if ur still playing poker 10 years down the road, hopefully ur mental state is still fine
oh and also pretty much a bunch of ur friends will be making more money than u by then

i wish i saw this 10 years ago and those 10 years went by real ****en fast
its a shitty way to make an easy living imo

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Old 07-13-2020, 06:24 AM   #102
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i mean im sure uve considered this yet u still r leaning towards "poker over job".
From a famous video called: "Wear Sunscreen":

"Be careful whose advice you buy but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia: dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth"

This is the only reason why I can understand that people keep repeating the SAME ADVICE on every thread someone starts telling his idea to go pro. Yea, we get it, past was better, more money, less pros, software didnt glitch so much and stars support replied faster. No, nothing anyone says will make OP (nor 99,99% of OPs to not say 100%) change his/her mind and pursue an alternative career. Sometimes you just gotta do it and experience it yourself so ten years in the future you can come to 2+2 and and advice an aspiring poker pro to pursue a different career path.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:19 AM   #103
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^^^ pretty much agree 100% with this but for the sake of completeness and reality, let's add the real elephants in the room to your list... (4 online only obv)...

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Yea, we get it, past was better, more money, less pros, software didnt glitch so much and stars support replied faster.
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Government intervention
lol rakeback
computer solvers (legit & illegit)

All of which are only gonna get worse...

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Old 07-13-2020, 09:33 AM   #104
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I think if you’re new to poker you should play MTTs instead of cash game, they’re going to thrive for far longer, much harder to solve, recs like it more etc.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:48 AM   #105
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I want to keep MP in the hand here with AA-KK despite my equity dropping vs their ranges multi-way.
not so much going to comment on strategy but more psychology

it feels like you're trying to force spots and realize your skill advantage over lesser players by getting involved in spots where you really should be folding pre

moves like 3! an utg open is puzzling, what's even more puzzling is you then play it not like you'd play the kind of hand you're representing but rather

in my online adventures, i too would get caught up in this mindset unless i were playing at least 12 tables

i never had this problem with mtts as could always keep my eye on the larger implications whereas in cash i'd suffer from "let's make a move" syndrome whenever i didn't play enough tables, these days it's pretty taxing if i play more than 4 tables so i think my online cash days are over because learning to sit there folding and staring at nothing is pretty awful sometimes

i don't think you can do too many tables on bros so you probably have the same condition as me
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hand 1, it's pretty clear UTG likes his hand up until river and CO just wants a keep showdown top pair type hand - once they both check i feel like you're honor bound to rip it in there as can't see either checking that straight they were chasing or luckboxing into a bdf

hu i'm checking back and giving up, 3 ways with the more aggressive guy still having another to act behind him (making him more incentivized to fold) and I feel a jam here is mandatory

hand 2, no, just no. fold pre, but once you commit the 3! don't suddenly play like you have KJ

hand 3 seems fine

hand 4 as stated, from a pure EV point of view I guess you'd want to take it 3 way vs J2 as the additional hand every time here, but the real question is how often does J2 get the chips in without something that beats KK?

this hand is everything that's wrong with your play imo, you keep wanting to duel with sabres to show everyone you're the best, but you should really just rip in that KK to isolate and punish a lone player and not have to worry about J2 and A7 hot potato

this is how rtp wants to play


this is how you should play


glad you're doing the thread, it lets me type more stuff for you ignore

gl and get it in good
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Old 07-13-2020, 12:54 PM   #106
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glad you're doing the thread, it lets me type more stuff for you ignore

gl and get it in good
So do you think this guy is the new 6betme? Overestimating his abilities, big ego, trying to outplay his opponents at every opportunity, playing stakes that he's not good enough for etc.
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Old 07-13-2020, 02:57 PM   #107
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So do you think this guy is the new 6betme? Overestimating his abilities, big ego, trying to outplay his opponents at every opportunity, playing stakes that he's not good enough for etc.
Not until he starts buying $95 canned crab meat on a limited roll.
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Old 07-13-2020, 03:17 PM   #108
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So do you think this guy is the new 6betme? Overestimating his abilities, big ego, trying to outplay his opponents at every opportunity, playing stakes that he's not good enough for etc.
No, 6B is a raging moron.

I don't know if rtp is going about it the right way nor that he'll achieve his lofty expectations but I have no doubt he's capable of accomplishing what he's setting out to accomplish.

I've communicated a bit with rtp both in another thread and via PMs. He's a very smart and ambitious man who has my respect.

Maybe when he's old enough I'd like to meet up with him in person and have a beer with him.

I know you're joking, but 6bm was a train wreck of scadenfreude and it's in poor taste to make any comparison to him to someone plausibly capable.

If you're looking for a 6bm spin-off check out kingkrab homeless poker pro or $200 monthly budget Thailand threads - the protagonists aren't nearly as likable and the supporting cast is non existent, shows are definitely a lot darker as well.
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Old 07-13-2020, 05:01 PM   #109
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No, 6B is a raging moron.

If you're looking for a 6bm spin-off check out kingkrab homeless poker pro or $200 monthly budget Thailand threads - the protagonists aren't nearly as likable and the supporting cast is non existent, shows are definitely a lot darker as well.
Thanks for the rec. I'll have to tune in. I checked out just a little bit of Krabs thread. Is it worth it to start from the first episode or can I just jump in anywhere?
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:11 PM   #110
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So do you think this guy is the new 6betme? Overestimating his abilities, big ego, trying to outplay his opponents at every opportunity, playing stakes that he's not good enough for etc.
Respectfully, please leave if you don’t intend to add value to the thread or have my best interests in mind. Thank you.

Thanks for the feels rr, means a lot actually.

Busy rn but will be back later to respond to some of the longer poasts.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:22 PM   #111
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Respectfully, please leave if you donít intend to add value to the thread or have my best interests in mind. Thank you.

Thanks for the feels rr, means a lot actually.

Busy rn but will be back later to respond to some of the longer poasts.
I was asking a question to someone else dude. You have posted this thread on a public forum, rather than kept a private blog to yourself, so anyone can post in here.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:26 PM   #112
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Yes but you’re wrong about me and your comparisons are also disingenuous.

We’re pals and I have nothing bad to say about 6bet, at all, but I don’t recall him having tens of thousands of dollars lying around and a finance degree at 20?

This gives me the leverage to dedicate myself to getting better at this card game full time and seeing what happens.

I’m not interested in dickwaving itt, just providing the necessary background and going from there. If this turns you off, or you don’t believe it etc. than please leave. Please.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:40 PM   #113
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I was asking a question to someone else dude. You have posted this thread on a public forum, rather than kept a private blog to yourself, so anyone can post in here.
Just fyi to OP, I believe you can stop SpinMe (and others that are garbage) from posting in your PGC by asking a mod to unallow it.
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Old 07-13-2020, 06:41 PM   #114
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I wasn't comparing your life achievements, obviously you've achieved more than him. I was comparing the way you played poker to him. Specifically the part where you want to duel sabers to show people you're the best (6bet also did this).
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:34 PM   #115
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Just fyi to OP, I believe you can stop SpinMe (and others that are garbage) from posting in your PGC by asking a mod to unallow it.
Welcome! I donít lurk it often but Iíve found your strat poasts in MicroStakes insightful. Nice avi

Good to know. Iím trying to give him and others a chance to come around but more than happy to do that with consistent offenders.
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Old 07-13-2020, 07:46 PM   #116
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I wasn't comparing your life achievements, obviously you've achieved more than him. I was comparing the way you played poker to him. Specifically the part where you want to duel sabers to show people you're the best (6bet also did this).
Fair enough. Based on our past exchanges, it didnít come across that way but I appreciate the constructive criticism man. To touch on that, Iím not going pro because Iím a good poker player at the moment or think I am. I suck and have been lucky that my roll has afforded me the opportunity to mix it up at different stakes both live and online as I wish.

Iíve been swamped since Iíve discovered poker with school, chess etc. and thatís been a large reason as to why Iím still so bad. But Iím confident that thousands of hours spent obsessing over it will do wonders and that I can be as good as I want to be.. or more specifically as good as variance, run good allows me to. Thatís where the background comes in. Hopefully that helps.

Iíve done well enough for myself as a young adult that I trust my intuition and while this could be a huge mistake it could also be the best decision Iíve ever made. Iíll only know if I apply 100% of myself to this journey. Doing this on the side will not allow me to reach my full potential as a player and Iíll never know if I could have been among the best.
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:19 PM   #117
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Fair enough. Based on our past exchanges, it didn’t come across that way but I appreciate the constructive criticism man. To touch on that, I’m not going pro because I’m a good poker player at the moment or think I am. I suck and have been lucky that my roll has afforded me the opportunity to mix it up at different stakes both live and online as I wish.

I’ve been swamped since I’ve discovered poker with school, chess etc. and that’s been a large reason as to why I’m still so bad. But I’m confident that thousands of hours spent obsessing over it will do wonders and that I can be as good as I want to be.. or more specifically as good as variance, run good allows me to. That’s where the background comes in. Hopefully that helps.

I’ve done well enough for myself as a young adult that I trust my intuition and while this could be a huge mistake it could also be the best decision I’ve ever made. I’ll only know if I apply 100% of myself to this journey. Doing this on the side will not allow me to reach my full potential as a player and I’ll never know if I could have been among the best.
Fair enough, obviously nothing anyone says is going to make you change your mind on poker at this point. How's the chess coaching going? Done many hours of that recently?
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Old 07-13-2020, 10:45 PM   #118
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FWIW If you haven't considered this already, you seem like the type of person that would find it degrading to play live poker fulltime, as you're going to be associating with a lot of degenerate gamblers. If you don't like these types of people, they'll probably pick up on that and not like you back. It's a big part of profitability in live poker to be likable, and you may end up having to swallow your pride / degrading yourself in order to do that. Remember you'll associate with these people fulltime, and they're essentially your customers.

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...I’ve done well enough for myself as a young adult that I trust my intuition and while this could be a huge mistake it could also be the best decision I’ve ever made...
From a quote like this, it seems you're only considering it a potential huge mistake for financial reasons. This is very likely true, but it may also be a huge mistake for dignity reasons as mentioned above. And there are easily other reasons to add to the list that will likely hum in the back of your mind at all times.

Just something to consider so you know what you're getting yourself into. I'd wager that if someone like you is successful at poker, it will likely be for a short period online (until you realize how dead-end it is), because you'll likely realize quickly that you hate live poker.
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Old 07-13-2020, 11:49 PM   #119
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Thanks for the rec. I'll have to tune in. I checked out just a little bit of Krabs thread. Is it worth it to start from the first episode or can I just jump in anywhere?
please don't respond this, don't want to derail, but given his guest starring role at 6bm's thread, i'm guessing a lot of people are here for a spinoff, this thread won't satisfy that itch, but these other two just may

i personally couldn't get into the kingkrab one so couldn't rec where to start, current plot line is complains about not being able to make money playing poker due to covid but can't file for unemployment because no smart phone (he's homeless) and then someone actually ships him an iphone and now that he has one he may or may not bother to file for government assistance - it's much more "i'm lazy and worthless" and lacks the "I got to sleep for 14 hours a night to play perfectly" type posting we love

this one is gold though https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...enses-1756916/ would be sad if OP wasn't so toxicly dismissive of the genuine advice and tips from some very successful commentators - this one i think you could jump in anywhere - i personally skipped the first half but there's enough early season refrences (ie i still don't know the dog kicking backstory) that you may want to view it in order

it starts off very promising of someone barely beating nl25 and limited liferoll attempting a spartan existence in thailand while moving up the ranks, then takes a very dark turn with poems about hating his mom to calling everyone a fish and openly mocking very on point and constructive advice from some very well respected players
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Old 07-14-2020, 12:01 AM   #120
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Good luck chessman. I've always wondered what would happen if someone like a 20-year-old Phil Galfond were to start from scratch in 2020. I definitely think it's still possible to make it in poker if you have strong math abilities, a strong work ethic, and free time.
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HH2:
200NL 3-handed
Hero (BTN): $174.29
V (BB): Covers- Seems solid.

I open $6 with 7c7s. SB folds. V makes it $24. I call(?)

Flop ($49): Jd-Jh-Qd. V c-bets $14.50. I call(?)


Turn ($78):
Jd-Jh-Qd-4c. V continues $35. I call(?)

River ($148): Jd-Jh-Qd-4c-4d. V AI $100.79. I call(?) Thoughts?

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E.g. folding 77 otf there is not a thing in theory even without a diamond and exploitatively prolly a torch. Yes you did call but that should be automatic imo
seriously?
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Old 07-14-2020, 01:34 AM   #122
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I love all the people who hate on professional poker and think you're making a mistake as if they have a clue about poker or your personal needs. Can't wait for you to crush it. You will and anyone can quote me on that.

I absolutely hate school and employee-employer relationships so I'm super biased, but I think going pro is a totally reasonable option.
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Old 07-14-2020, 03:03 AM   #123
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I find it remarkable that a couple of long time posters have alluded/implied a similarity between op and 6b.

There is none...none whatsoever. Which I would have thought would have been glaringly obvious to anyone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size.

No offence...well ok, maybe just a little bit.

Sorry for the derail and I won't comment again on this subject...just roll my eyes a little if it comes up again ffs.

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seriously?
Are you seriously folding 77 there vs a lol 29% psb at midstakes 3-handed vs a BB reg who will almost always have bluffs pre and otf?

Theory you cannot fold 77 there vs that dumb sizing from a MDF/Hero's range distribution otf.

vs regfish or even most regs just often blindly range bet (hint flop isnt a range bet) here so its even a bigger EV torch than folding vs pio since pio actually has a x range otf and gives up their air at a decent freq. whereas a human is often just going to pure bet their nonsense nonsdv hands like 54s/SCs that we absolutely crush otf and give up future streets.

Exploitatively people also dont dbl barrel enough in 3b pots conditioning on them cbetting the flop (aka more equity realization IP) so even ignoring pio/theory, folding is just absolutely absurd 3handed vs a reg

Yep poker is def not dead lol.......

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Old 07-14-2020, 05:54 AM   #125
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Are you seriously folding 77 there vs a lol 29% psb at midstakes 3-handed vs a BB reg who will almost always have bluffs pre and otf?

Theory you cannot fold 77 there vs that dumb sizing from a MDF/Hero's range distribution otf.

vs regfish or even most regs just often blindly range bet (hint flop isnt a range bet) here so its even a bigger EV torch than folding vs pio since pio actually has a x range otf and gives up their air at a decent freq. whereas a human is often just going to pure bet their nonsense nonsdv hands like 54s/SCs that we absolutely crush otf and give up future streets.

Exploitatively people also dont dbl barrel enough in 3b pots conditioning on them cbetting the flop (aka more equity realization IP) so even ignoring pio/theory, folding is just absolutely absurd 3handed vs a reg

Yep poker is def not dead lol.......
Pio probably doesn't range bet flop. But a simplification of range betting might be ok.

I agree on calling 77 OTF in theory, and it might even be better because of player tendencies because turn plays more straight forward than it should (?).

The flop sizing makes a massive difference in 3b pots. I bet my left testicle on that this starts getting mix folded at 1/2+ pot sizing, even with the diamond. But vs the 1/3 this should be an autocall.
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