H1 jam
H2 fold

check back h1, fold h2 pretty happily. h2 would 3b bigger though, more like 35-40. Also with your suits, bet flop is really reasonable too with the plan of blasting a bunch of your fd turns/overs

I think there's merit to considering jamming h2 if you feel you know more about this reg but I'm still keeping it in my backpocket for future hands vs him and folding this time before I bluff for stacks

H1 both possible draws complete, given V description not many worse hands to get value from

H2 cbet flop 1/3, as played fold riv

h1 is a trivial jam

That's seriously what I was thinking. Villain has shown zero aggression in this pot it's hard to imagine we're beat. It's a 3bet pot so JJ, TT, any queen is going to have a hard time folding. We're gonna get calls from a 9 here too sometimes even. If we check back AQ are we also checking back KK and AA? How about a set? If he has a flush or the straight T8 or a set or some whacky two pair then pay that man his money.

Thank you for the feedback everyone.

I know a lot of players (especially live) would be interested in seeing solves for spots like this, so I can do that. It’ll just be app solves though, as that’s far more convenient.

It’s quite limited though, and can’t adjust sizings/ranges etc. so less so trying to see what the “right answers” are and more so just look at it as a tool that you can use to help you come to your own conclusions in your study.

H1:

We want to check back this river always in solver land.


Having the A in our hand is really beneficial both when bluffing and going for value here as we block V’s most likely flush combos.


How V should react to our shove, as played, in optimal.

H2:
We’re indifferent in this spot more or less. Can fold turn as well, of course. Flop can go either way, depending on your strategy etc.


V’s river strategy.


Our response.

let me know if you like seeing that and hope it helps

ty for the feedback sir and good catch.

The river certainly matters a ton here though . For several reasons.

short and sweet

thanks for dropping in .

few things:
1. For the sizing in H2, that is way different than my sizing. So I’m probably thinking about this quite terribly. Are you 3b 3.5-4x regardless of their iso sizing here? Usually I’ll go to a similar sizing either way to keep the SPR similar....

So if they go $7-12, I’ll usually just 3b to around $24 vs all of that and adjust my ranges accordingly when needed.

2. Re blasting off, I assume this is because when the runout is or , we are blocking a lot of their BD flushes that continued OTF?

Street poker itt

ty for the feedback sir


ty, it’s what I did but not so sure. I think this is a good spot to overbluff with stuff like AK with a spade however. I think lots of regs close to auto fold weaker Qx vs a jam here (as they probably should).


Yeah, some of that will get sticky for sure depending on the V. I think having a spade in our hand is an underrated factor as well when deciding here.


I was “right” H2, but play could be bad for sure.
Part of what I was thinking was that people don’t really go for value here thinly enough so it’s a spot that’s ripe to be overbluffed by regs. Online, regs bluff a lot vs other regs of course.

For example, V is supposed to be betting J10, Q10, K10 here in optimal but I’m not so sure that this happens too often. Also, paired boards are overbluffed all around in general.

Interesting stuff

Results:
H1: I jam, V folds
H2: I call and win vs K J

H1 I guess you need to know if he is weak-tight or just tight pf. I mean how many players hit their joker and check expecting a thin value bet on a wet board?

H1 ez river jam.
H2 I don't think there's much value here. Not sure I give people enough credit to bet 77-99 or Tx here. I call.

RE Rick why do you think villain views us as value heavy on Hand2? That seems 100% wrong. We checked back flop and called turn. If anything our hand is a ton of A highs.

Solvers not always right especially against rando fish (not saying villain is just in general).

yeah well h2 you're 200bb deep right? Simply for that reason + people opening/calling 3b with weaker ranges in live poker line-ups. fwiw I'd size 35-40 with all 3betting range.

And yes regarding the bd suits for flush blockers

Couple hands where I x/jam w JJs v a reg

H1

1/2 online. 6m

V is unknown, but seems reggy. Haven’t seen V get OOL. 4+ tables with a max stack everywhere usually.

$255E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI $6 LJ. Hero 3b SB $26 with J J. V calls.

Flop ($54): 7 5 5.

Hero bets $18. V calls.

Turn ($90): 7 5 5 9.

Hero checks. V bets $45. Hero jams $210.

Thoughts?

Bonus question. If I bet here, I would’ve bet around the same size V did. Are you calling off with our combo if V were to jam?


H2

1/2 online. 6m

Main V is a good reg. Seems quite balanced everywhere. Also 4+ tables. Other V is unknown.

$210E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI $5 HJ. CO calls. Hero 3b SB $27 with J J. HJ calls. CO overcalls.

Flop ($83): 10 7 5. Hero checks. HJ bets $40. CO folds. Hero jams $185.

Thoughts?

Let me know what you think. There’s no right/wrong answers

Most online regs don’t donk/lead/bet river themselves OOP too often, as it’s quite hard to balance. So it’s mostly safe to assume to V is checking everything he called turn with, until proven otherwise.

Maybe you’re familiar with “checking to the aggressor”, which I think is more of a flop thing. It applies to turn/rivers online as well for the most part.

This means we should vb less thinly of course, as V should have most/all of the nut flushes they arrive here with.

Yeah, it’s weird. This is what I was thinking, especially when V takes this sizing... not loving it of course.

Interesting to discuss for sure, as lots of value to be had in these spots if you have an open mind

Interested to see the others who are folding respond to this as well. No right answer

Definitely not! That’s why I ask for so much feedback and try to review as many of my hands as possible with others

It is a very underrated tool for sure though.

Here’s a quote from Broken I think some may find insightful:


Yeah... completely forgot about that when I 3b and when I posted. Not great... have a lotttt of work to do. Makes sense.

This is all 200nl online, but definitely some splashy play that resembles low stakes live pokerz occasionally.

I’ll keep that in mind sir

i think value heavy would be the wrong word, 100% agree it's a ton of A highs and that's what i meant with A high as a floor for hero here, since we've established we have A high and are calling turn, it seems reasonable to assume we'd still call super dry board with A high to a 60% psb

maybe i'm reading things too deeply in there, but the sizing seems like he chose max amount A high would call off on as we'd agree a 33% psb is a call and a pot size bet more likely to fold

i'm personally making that 60%ish sizing if i want A high to call and view villain as really sticky, hence why i put villain as beating A high

this is also why i prefer jamming to calling here because if we give him credit for being a reg as OP is inclined towards then his range that can call a jam here is really low and everything in his value range aside from TT and A3s turns into a bluff catcher, he can very credibly bet/fold hands like JT and 88 here - it would be pretty reasonable for OP to have played AA/TT that way and check flop since it was so dry and just call turn for same reasons so the river jam sets off big alarm bells imo

A jam could be very spicy with the right reads, but yeah likely fairly FPS here imo (even in relation to calling).

I enjoy reading your thought process sir. Meta game is vastly underrated for a game played between humans (well mostly, anways ) and understanding the situation well conceptually goes a long way imo.

One thing that I think you are largely overlooking though is V’s likely range as a whole. As we’ll not only need to consider what he’s betting for that sizing that beats but also how likely he is to arrive with the river that as well.

So for example, AA, KK are going to be mostly 4b pre here. 99-77 typically goes smaller here if bet off in the first place. Even Q10 and J10 are likely too thin for this sizing etc etc.

I like the different perspectives a lot though however.

Always open to my lines/thought process being completely terrible in certain spots!

H1

1/2 online. 9m

V is a creative, recreational player. Unpredictable. Likes putting chips in the pot. Don’t have any notes on this line from them.

The other V is also probably recreational. Everyone else is a reg.

$315E with Main V.

OTTH

Pre-flop: UTG limps $2. Main V iso $6 CO. Hero 3b $24 with K K. Limper calls. Main V overcalls.

Flop ($77): Q J 4. UTG checks. CO checks.

Hero bets $38. UTG folds. CO calls.

Turn ($153): Q J 4 6.

V checks. Hero bets $77. V calls.

River ($307): Q J 4 6 5.

V donk jams $175E.

What are you doing?


H2

1/2 online. 6m

Both V’s are unknown, but seem reggy.

$200E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero RFI HJ $6 with K Q. SB calls. Main V 3b BB $18. Hero calls. SB overcalls.

Flop ($54): K 8 6. SB checks. BB bets $20. Hero calls. SB folds.

Turn ($94): K 8 6 Q.
V checks. Hero bets $32. V calls.

River ($158): K 8 6 Q 3.

V checks. $130 behind.

What are you doing here? b/f or jam question.

Let me know what you think. There’s no right/wrong answers

jj

h1 chef's kiss, since i love it you'll likely get tons of critique for it , you'll occasionally look stupid when he flips over A5 but if you don't regularly look stupid you're far too nitty, remember when dan coleman's thread was live and i saw he was playing and observed his table and saw him just straight up rip it in with hands like TT and 77 mid pairs only to see villain stack with with an overpair or top set etc and i messaged him about it trying to understand why he did it and he was just like "meh you gotta open your ranges those were standard plays" - same with viewing slaveryfan1 he'll just rip it in with KJs sometimes where standard move for a nitreg is to fold and there are times you look really dumb but in the long run it's just printing monies

h2 see above, not having a diamond here is huge imo and a great play, once you check there you have to x/j

Kx

h1 i would size up more on flop, 3 ways no club, tons of draws, i'm not giving up free equity, as played it's a cringe call

h2 indifferent about call pre, if squeeze it's a coin flip, if value you're likely dominated but you have position so it's cool, i'm curious about your sizing on turn, i'd personally size it up a little more but ap seems fine, river is a jam imo, if he somehow luckboxed a backoor or has 88/66 then that's the way the cookie crumbles, imagine he's folding though - which is why i'd like a slightly larger bet on turn to price him in for the rest on the river

KQo preflop call is bad and river seems like a trivial shove

1. Meh. Tough spot with no right or wrong answer. There are spots against VIPs where I just go with my gut and say I'm not folding no matter what. Sure I look dumb a lot like rickroll said but overall it works out. So my answer is go with your gut.

2. As klock said KQo is not a defend in theory HJ vs BB. Maybe 25% 4b or fold. Flop looks fine. Turn looks like a good OB spot. River I'm shoving.

Great stuff sir

Yeah, if you’re not valid cutting yourself and bluffing stacks into the nuts extremely regularly you’re definitely leaving heaps on the table online.

fully agree

turn sizing in H4- no idea if it’s good here. The goal was to take a sizing I would take with thin value hands though.

If you think of all the different hand classes we have here- air, nutted hands, medium strength, draws, etc. can’t just bet a different sizing with all of them!

If you just bombed it whenever you had 2p+, Vs would x/r you relentlessly OTT when you bet small as you’re not protected enough.

And even if they’re not going well out of their way to exploit you, a reg would just somewhat do it okay enough by accident anyways if they x/r appropriately.

the importance of balance varies from spot to spot of course though.

Ty for the feedback.

Re preflop- was thinking V’s 9x sizing from BB pushes us toward a call. Not sure, aware we can always fold vs 11x or so.

Can appreciate this advice. It worked out here

Results

H1: V folded

H2: V folded

H3: Hero calls off with the KKs and scoops vs K J

H4: Hero jams, V folds

H1

1/2 online. 6m

Main V is unknown, but seems reggy. The PFR is a reg as well.

$335E with Main V.

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI CO $6. Main V cc SB $6. Hero overcalls BB with 7 7.

Flop ($18): K 7 3.

SB checks. Hero checks. PFR checks back.

Turn ($18): K 7 3 8.

SB bets $9. Hero raises to $36. V 3b to $108. Hero calls.

River ($234): K 7 3 8 A.

V jams $220E.

What are you doing on the river? Turn?


H2

1/2 online. 6m

V has a >50% VPIP at that table, so likely a weaker player or whale. Sitting on a big stack. That’s my only info.

$200E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI $8 BTN. Hero 3b BB $32 with 9 9. BTN calls.

Flop ($65): 10 6 3.

Hero bets $21. V jams $168E.

The flop sizing was partially meant to induce. So I guess we just call off here?

Let me know what you think. There’s no right/wrong answers

lol for H1, don’t think I remembered in game that the main V wasn’t the OR. With KK (and also AA) being extremely unlikely- don’t think we can get away.

with a 17 SPR otf, I’m looking to tread lightly- although this hand is just too strong I think.

maybe we should be jamming turn as V likely has plenty of combo draws. We take away the opportunity for V to blast off otr though.

H1 - even if I give you a pretty nitty turn range it seems like the river is a call with 77+

88-77,33,K8s-K7s,Th9h,6h5h which is a pretty nitty range with 15 combos

According to MDF we need to call with about 50% of our range on the river

77+ is 6 combos so that is the minimum range we should be calling with