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10-02-2017 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
Noted



Spoiler:
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nae gid

get um next time!

goooooooooood luck
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10-02-2017 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat


what is red note pls 72o?
your same colour as sauce ben, must be rot
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10-02-2017 , 08:20 PM
Subbed gl, gettem next time
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10-02-2017 , 08:36 PM
Gl dude, nice to see the thread back.
Hope deano doesnt get you :P
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10-02-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 72odonkey72
might want to improve table selection

Might want to improve your color tags mate... FYI you managed to give the same color to one pro shortie, one regular and one business man.

I genuinely get very curious when I see this so please explain
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10-03-2017 , 04:02 AM
red = endboss
light blue = drooler
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10-03-2017 , 04:38 AM
Thought as much ZOOOOOM v2
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10-04-2017 , 12:53 AM
That color code tagging...
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10-06-2017 , 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat


what is red note pls 72o?
well you're light blue so it can't be regfish

Quote:
Originally Posted by AMMADNAV
sub gl gl
cheers, welcome!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MR McDonald
nae gid

get um next time!

goooooooooood luck
hopefully bro

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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
your same colour as sauce ben, must be rot
rot?

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Originally Posted by dittoro
Subbed gl, gettem next time
welcome, and cheers

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Originally Posted by milky159
Gl dude, nice to see the thread back.
Hope deano doesnt get you :P
no mention of deano itt pls, still have ptsd

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Originally Posted by Godspeed1
Might want to improve your color tags mate... FYI you managed to give the same color to one pro shortie, one regular and one business man.

I genuinely get very curious when I see this so please explain
not my tags btw

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Originally Posted by 72odonkey72
red = endboss
light blue = drooler
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Originally Posted by BenaBadBeat
Thought as much ZOOOOOM v2
rekt

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Originally Posted by Princess Elsa
That color code tagging...


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Hey,

First week of October's soon coming to a close, volume has been okish with other things being done on the sideline as well. Managed to bust another 500z shot, this time in spectacular fashion vs Sauce. I'm kinda hoping that he was recording so I can watch it back and see him comment on my play, and myself getting stacked lol

My new PC arrived early this week (I ended up going with the new 16core AMD Threadripper). Safe to say the purchase was 100% the best thing I could have done - the PC is amazing. Currently operating on a 2.3-2.5s benchmark and able to run some detailed SRP sims that my old PC couldn't handle to begin with. I would highly recommend the Threadripper line from AMD to anyone looking for a new machine for PIO, definitely worth it!

Notes to take from this week are that I need to study more often and not let my to-do's list become far too long, to the point where it even becomes daunting to look at. That aside, I think this week has been super solid and successful!

Some hands:
1. Fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook me
    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843163

    Hero (BTN): $391.89 (195.9 bb)
    SB: $200 (100 bb)
    BB: $645.71 (322.9 bb)
    UTG: $284.98 (142.5 bb)
    MP: $261.54 (130.8 bb)
    CO: $260.04 (130 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with T J
    UTG folds, MP raises to $5.12, CO folds, Hero raises to $11.60, SB folds, BB raises to $40, MP folds, Hero calls $28.40

    Flop: ($86.12) 5 A Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $25.84, BB calls $25.84

    Turn: ($137.80) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $98.59, BB calls $98.59

    River: ($334.98) 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $227.46 and is all-in, BB calls $227.46

    Spoiler:
    Results: $789.90 pot ($2.75 rake)
    Final Board: 5 A Q K 5
    Hero showed T J and lost (-$391.89 net)
    BB showed K K and won $787.15 ($395.26 net)



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    2. lol
      Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843164

      BTN: $157.83 (78.9 bb)
      SB: $307.68 (153.8 bb)
      BB: $209.13 (104.6 bb)
      UTG: $283.54 (141.8 bb)
      MP: $316.15 (158.1 bb)
      Hero (CO): $200 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
      UTG folds, MP raises to $7, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB raises to $47.20, MP calls $40.20, Hero raises to $200 and is all-in, BB raises to $209.13 and is all-in, MP calls $161.93

      Flop: ($619.26) Q 3 8 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($619.26) 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($619.26) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $619.26 pot ($2.75 rake)
      Final Board: Q 3 8 4 3
      BB showed Q Q and won $616.51 ($407.38 net)
      MP showed J A and lost (-$209.13 net)
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$200 net)



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      3. One for the red line
        Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843165

        Hero (BTN): $499.58 (249.8 bb)
        SB: $316.73 (158.4 bb)
        BB: $241.96 (121 bb)
        UTG: $336.45 (168.2 bb)
        MP: $463.02 (231.5 bb)
        CO: $208 (104 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 5
        UTG raises to $5, MP calls $5, CO folds, Hero raises to $24, 2 folds, UTG raises to $60, MP folds, Hero calls $36

        Flop: ($128) 2 8 6 (2 players)
        UTG bets $52.61, Hero calls $52.61

        Turn: ($233.22) T (2 players)
        UTG bets $112, Hero calls $112

        River: ($457.22) 2 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $120, UTG folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $457.22 pot ($2.75 rake)
        Final Board: 2 8 6 T 2
        Hero mucked 4 5 and won $454.47 ($229.86 net)
        UTG mucked and lost (-$224.61 net)



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        4. Woop woop!
          Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843166

          BTN: $1,513.80 (302.8 bb)
          Hero (SB): $550.17 (110 bb)
          BB: $414.61 (82.9 bb)
          UTG: $1,096.73 (219.3 bb)
          MP: $507.50 (101.5 bb)
          CO: $1,466.49 (293.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 7
          UTG raises to $12.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $62.50, BB calls $57.50, UTG calls $50

          Flop: ($187.50) 4 K 3 (3 players)
          Hero bets $36.10, BB calls $36.10, UTG calls $36.10

          Turn: ($295.80) 5 (3 players)
          Hero bets $83, BB calls $83, UTG folds

          River: ($461.80) 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $368.57 and is all-in, BB calls $233.01 and is all-in

          Spoiler:
          Results: $927.82 pot ($3 rake)
          Final Board: 4 K 3 5 8
          Hero showed 6 7 and won $924.82 ($510.21 net)
          BB showed K Q and lost (-$414.61 net)



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          5. Found the only reg at 200 good enough to bluff this spot
            Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843167

            BTN: $251.82 (125.9 bb)
            SB: $430.26 (215.1 bb)
            Hero (BB): $200 (100 bb)
            UTG: $200 (100 bb)
            MP: $408.18 (204.1 bb)
            CO: $207.60 (103.8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with J T
            UTG raises to $4.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $2.50

            Flop: ($10) 4 Q 8 (2 players)
            Hero checks, UTG checks

            Turn: ($10) 7 (2 players)
            Hero bets $12.16, UTG calls $12.16

            River: ($34.32) 9 (2 players)
            Hero bets $41.73, UTG raises to $183.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $141.61 and is all-in

            Spoiler:
            Results: $401 pot ($2.75 rake)
            Final Board: 4 Q 8 7 9
            Hero showed J T and won $398.25 ($198.25 net)
            UTG showed T T and lost (-$200 net)



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            6. Vs reg. Not sure if turn is even a thing, haven't PIO'd it yet. There's a good chance I overestimated how much the Q changes things. Cannot be terrible, though.
              Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37843168

              BTN: $499.37 (249.7 bb)
              Hero (SB): $407.25 (203.6 bb)
              BB: $211.15 (105.6 bb)
              UTG: $319.87 (159.9 bb)
              MP: $250.77 (125.4 bb)
              CO: $200 (100 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with J J
              UTG raises to $5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $26, BB folds, UTG calls $21

              Flop: ($54) T J 4 (2 players)
              Hero bets $15.90, UTG raises to $59, Hero calls $43.10

              Turn: ($172) Q (2 players)
              Hero bets $50, UTG raises to $234.87 and is all-in, Hero calls $184.87

              River: ($641.74) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $641.74 pot ($2.75 rake)
              Final Board: T J 4 Q 3
              Hero showed J J and won $638.99 ($319.12 net)
              UTG showed T 9 and lost (-$319.87 net)



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              Results:
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              10-06-2017 , 01:32 PM
              you really think thats a good bluff in hand #5? UTG is rather misappliing the concept of blockers, he cannot really rep a value hand just monkeyshoves his stack.

              Spoiler:
              imo
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              10-06-2017 , 01:44 PM
              Rot= very bad!

              With the JJ, I think he should fold pre with T9s, then never raise flop with anything unless you have some outrageously wide 3bet range SB UTG.

              Once he does raise flop, considering his preflop range seems much more likely he has TT, KQdd, AQdd, AKdd, JT kind of hand than any kind of oesd without flush or whatever. Basically I think it's very likely someone might raise TT here, and very unlikely they'll raise KQss, and they physically don't have any pure bluffs, so expecting them to be strong.... sooo AK is deffo a fold to the raise imo in the first place.

              I think you should play flop shove or fold anyway, and mostly folding ha. With this exact combo it kinda sucks I guess to shove. Whenever I solve these kind of hands through nodelocking it becomes pretty obvious how bad raising ranges in spots like this are going to be.
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              10-06-2017 , 02:30 PM
              JT vs TT seems quite rot by villain. Flop whatevs but bet imo, turn clear fold, river

              I'm curious about your river sizing but I guess that's not really a topic for forum discussion.

              Had a quick look at JJ in pio but gave up. Only Oborra can replicate that one.

              Last edited by SalmoTrutta; 10-06-2017 at 02:56 PM.
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              10-06-2017 , 05:54 PM
              no raising range on JT4dd against this flop sizing is madness, you gotta have a raising range
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              10-07-2017 , 08:05 AM
              Didn't realise JJ was 160bb deep, I avoid that kind of complicated stacksize. #simmed it though and 100bb most of what I said worked, not raising
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              10-08-2017 , 10:36 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by enzet
              you really think thats a good bluff in hand #5? UTG is rather misappliing the concept of blockers, he cannot really rep a value hand just monkeyshoves his stack.

              Spoiler:
              imo
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
              Rot= very bad!

              With the JJ, I think he should fold pre with T9s, then never raise flop with anything unless you have some outrageously wide 3bet range SB UTG.

              Once he does raise flop, considering his preflop range seems much more likely he has TT, KQdd, AQdd, AKdd, JT kind of hand than any kind of oesd without flush or whatever. Basically I think it's very likely someone might raise TT here, and very unlikely they'll raise KQss, and they physically don't have any pure bluffs, so expecting them to be strong.... sooo AK is deffo a fold to the raise imo in the first place.

              I think you should play flop shove or fold anyway, and mostly folding ha. With this exact combo it kinda sucks I guess to shove. Whenever I solve these kind of hands through nodelocking it becomes pretty obvious how bad raising ranges in spots like this are going to be.
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
              JT vs TT seems quite rot by villain. Flop whatevs but bet imo, turn clear fold, river

              I'm curious about your river sizing but I guess that's not really a topic for forum discussion.

              Had a quick look at JJ in pio but gave up. Only Oborra can replicate that one.
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Xenoblade
              no raising range on JT4dd against this flop sizing is madness, you gotta have a raising range
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
              Didn't realise JJ was 160bb deep, I avoid that kind of complicated stacksize. #simmed it though and 100bb most of what I said worked, not raising
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              Thanks for the replies guys!

              JT:
              Yes I think villain's play is good. Ppl don't bluff anywhere near optimal at 200z; everyone is a nit, so villain's bluff vs an OB otr ends up overperforming massively. As played it's a ~30% freq bluff in PIO, and that's without overperforming implications, so yeh, very WP to him IMO, just unfortunate to run into the nuts.

              JJ:
              Haven't PIO this one yet, but simming at 100bb isn't very efficient as play will change A LOT when the SPR's become incomparable, relatively speaking. I agree with Plasticelephant's thoughts about AK being an easy fold on flop, which means I had the wrong idea about the hand from that point onwards. I still think JJ will be a lead ott at least some of the time, but I obviously have less equity with it than what figured I had during the hand.

              Good luck!

              Last edited by Clanty; 10-08-2017 at 10:41 AM.
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              10-08-2017 , 03:02 PM
              JT:

              Should villain jam river with QQ and 99 or just JT?
              Is it believable that he would actually x/b JT on the flop?
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              10-08-2017 , 11:53 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Jaznin
              JT:

              Should villain jam river with QQ and 99 or just JT?
              Is it believable that he would actually x/b JT on the flop?
              Don't see him having 99 here, but yeh I think QQ should jam river facing this small OB

              ---

              Really struggling to get in volume at the mo. Finding myself wanting to close the tables as I don't feel that I'm playing well, even if the results say otherwise. Tomorrow (Monday) is my day off that I take off every week to study, so hopefully I can find out what's going on. My target for this month is 35k hands and I'm only at 7.5k in 8 days, eek.

              If anyone has any tips for grinding out the volume please let me know, it's forever eluding me......
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              10-09-2017 , 01:09 AM
              sit and play
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              10-09-2017 , 04:31 AM
              I did that for many years. It gave me very pretty graphs, 8bb winrate and no money. Don't be me. Get help (!!!). You'll prob end up mostly studying and coaching and getting in 15k hands/month and be that guy who beats 500z but has nothing to show for it unless you grab this one by the horns asap. More important now than ever given that we don't know how the games will be three years from now.

              My 2c.
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              10-09-2017 , 04:52 AM
              Yeah I agree on the volume side of things. It already seems like you are way on top of studying, but try and think about how to optimise study habits to maximise the EV of time you spend. I would guess rn you use too many sizing options in sims (from your comments on RAM requirements), so asses the EV of dropping some of them for eg.

              If you are even 5bb at 200z, and fair chance you are more imo, your hourly is $70. That's a lot to sacrifice. Obviously not saying don't study. But I consider myself part-time playing and I still get 50k hands every month with zoom!
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              10-09-2017 , 06:04 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
              Yeah I agree on the volume side of things. It already seems like you are way on top of studying, but try and think about how to optimise study habits to maximise the EV of time you spend. I would guess rn you use too many sizing options in sims (from your comments on RAM requirements), so asses the EV of dropping some of them for eg.

              If you are even 5bb at 200z, and fair chance you are more imo, your hourly is $70. That's a lot to sacrifice. Obviously not saying don't study. But I consider myself part-time playing and I still get 50k hands every month with zoom!


              Man speaks truth. But please don't grind more as pools become tougher ZOOOOOM v2


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              10-09-2017 , 11:56 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Clanty
              If anyone has any tips for grinding out the volume please let me know, it's forever eluding me......
              I think(correct me if I'm wrong) that you don't have a ton of love for the game, from what I saw, you're too perfectionist and try to make an amazing graph with a huge winrate. It was the right approach when you were in the micros, since rake was huge, you taught me that, that's the best thing you can do to climb up: to learn.

              But right now, how pretty your graph is doesn't matter, if you can pull a 2.5bb/100 graph for twice as hands, you're making more than pulling a 5bb/100 graph. I think you're trying to force yourself to play volume, rather than playing because you like to do it. My advice isn't objective like the other ones here, but maybe it's the most important thing: to love the game. When you start doing so, you won't have to put any volume goals, you'll be playing a ton because you are enjoying a lot to do so.

              I only have around 2h to play poker/day and I'm managing to pull 30k hands/month(maybe a little more than 2h because sometimes I pull some random sessions out of nowhere lol). The thing is that I have that feeling in my belly that makes me play more, like having butterflies in there, maybe you're missing that part of poker.

              Maybe you should watch some poker movies, like rounders, stu ungar's story, maybe some old poker documentaries from the times people used to print millions by playing as 9/5 nits lol.

              GL, man!!
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              10-09-2017 , 12:40 PM
              Or read Latherbutt9's book for inspiration
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              10-09-2017 , 12:41 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by PlasticElephant

              If you are even 5bb at 200z, and fair chance you are more imo,
              Lolz
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              10-09-2017 , 12:45 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Clanty


              If anyone has any tips for grinding out the volume please let me know, it's forever eluding me......

              Umm open up more than 2 tables?
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