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08-05-2014 , 06:21 PM
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08-05-2014 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jram78911
Just started reading your post. Not trying to be a dic or anything Lol
[x] Fail at not being a dick.
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08-05-2014 , 09:44 PM
Just subbed this thread and love your work ethic and strategy. Keep on motivating!
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08-06-2014 , 03:48 AM
Making a few changes to my game...

I got back to being really passive again. Some of this is due to talking hands with some guys who play a lot higher than me and me then taking some passive lines (like protecting checking ranges etc) when its really not needed at my games. I just wanna say that I understand why they need to do this and why when I get (much) higher I will need to do it too, and also it has been good to see why it is more balanced to do those things and be less exploitable. But I also realised lately that I don't need to be "less exploitable" against around 95% of my villains.

Big thanks to Ron, dg and Bryan helping me understand some things on this!

So will be more aggressive and keep talking hands and see where I need to calm down!!
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Originally Posted by Niklius
Just subbed this thread and love your work ethic and strategy. Keep on motivating!
Thanks for nice comments, work ethic is all I have got!!
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08-06-2014 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $52.75 (VPIP: 26.49, PFR: 17.88, 3Bet Preflop: 4.69, Hands: 155)
BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 23.14, PFR: 18.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.75, Hands: 237)
UTG: $48.25 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: $40.00
CO: $51.00 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50, MP posts DB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.25) Hero has 9 K

fold, MP checks, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, BB calls $1.50, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25, 3 players) 4 2 6
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.25, 3 players) 9
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4.25, BB raises to $15.25, fold, Hero is pretty sure I don't need to call this versus this size and this line but isn't his line pretty weird!?
Did he have a set?
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08-06-2014 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by chinoxl
Did he have a set?
No idea lmao!
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08-06-2014 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KP24
Making a few changes to my game...

I got back to being really passive again. Some of this is due to talking hands with some guys who play a lot higher than me and me then taking some passive lines (like protecting checking ranges etc) when its really not needed at my games. I just wanna say that I understand why they need to do this and why when I get (much) higher I will need to do it too, and also it has been good to see why it is more balanced to do those things and be less exploitable. But I also realised lately that I don't need to be "less exploitable" against around 95% of my villains.
I just had this conversation with another player at the microstakes. I play on Bovada where playing exploitably is usually the best way to play because people can't keepp stats on you. As long as we know why we are dping something specifically and know to change that at higher levels than playing the most profitably makes sense.
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08-06-2014 , 05:30 AM
Yeah, I agree with this massively also. It's the way to go, but to learn balanced ranges is also +EV for future development. In an ideal world, we should have two ranges in most spots, but at 50NL we'd nearly always side with the Exploitive side.

Good (anecdotal) examples of how this is effective are TDA's latest update thanks to changes dg4 assisted him with, HeyItsClay's PGC and from my own play (though I don't have a PGC).

I hope to see some crushing graphs, KP!
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08-06-2014 , 11:06 AM
PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $60.92
UTG: $6.01 (VPIP: 48.57, PFR: 5.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 35)
MP: $50.00 (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 18.12, 3Bet Preflop: 9.08, Hands: 3,600)
CO: $58.83 (VPIP: 34.40, PFR: 33.60, 3Bet Preflop: 11.63, Hands: 131)
BTN: $51.81 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
SB: $98.90 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 27.50, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 40)

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A 6

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) Q 5 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.43, Hero do you XR or call here AND WHY?

Last edited by KP24; 08-06-2014 at 11:12 AM. Reason: and why ;)
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08-06-2014 , 11:09 AM
call.
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08-06-2014 , 11:44 AM
Call because we only have 35÷ equity right now are given great immediate odds to call.

Also, when we x/r I believe we represent a stronger hand than we have and are bloating a pot we are not the favorite in. What happens when we face a raise after we x/r?
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08-06-2014 , 12:31 PM
You dont want to get 3bet and forced to fold a hand with huge equity. Also I think that hand is strong enough to call and you have some SDV.
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08-06-2014 , 01:19 PM
Not sure that cold calling A6s from BB is profitable in the long run but You might have a good reason for doing so.

As played i would expect the new Aggro KP to x/raises a lot here OTF (Especially if his Fold vs x/r is exploitable) plus barrel on blank turn. Take a note on his continuation range if you make it to showdown.
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08-06-2014 , 02:52 PM
Are you serious about folding Ax to a min button open in the bb?
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08-06-2014 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Big_Mick00
Are you serious about folding Ax to a min button open in the bb?
Are you serious about a profitable plan to make money when cold calling A6s oop ?
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08-06-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Anuth
Are you serious about a profitable plan to make money when cold calling A6s oop ?
A6s is likely ahead of a BTNs opening range so wouldnt we be okay calling or raising as a bluff here?
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08-06-2014 , 03:35 PM
Would calling the cbet OOP with A6s be ok? Then lead turn?
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08-06-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Anuth
Are you serious about a profitable plan to make money when cold calling A6s oop ?
Man, it's an A and also its suited. Folding pre is just lol.
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08-07-2014 , 03:33 AM
A6s is gonna flop :
- Top pair + : 18% of the time (TPTK 6.5%, TP no Kicker 6.5%, stronger 5%)
- Weak / middle pair : 15%
- FD : 11%

Roughly we will have no made hand 2/3 of the time (FD included).

We don't have many great options to make money postflop here !

How are we going to extract money oop with a pair of 6 ?
How are we going to play profitably our FD oop ?
Are we just x/f-ing 2/3 of when we miss ?

Ok, we can hope flopping a pair of Ace or a stronger hand and hope we are able to take our opponent's stack but it won't happen often enough to make this call profitable in the long run, I think. Maybe some of us could post their WR after applying the following filters : "Hole Card = A6s" / "Position = SB + BB" / "Did Cold Call = True". I would be interested in that.

The only option here is either folding or 3betting light, but it is situation- and villain-dependent. I think that against an unknown opponent it is more profitable to resteal with value hands only and then adapt when our sample on him gets larger and statistically relevant.
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08-07-2014 , 04:04 AM
Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 7.08.2014


Schedule 7th August 2014

0850 - 0900 = Import hands and mark hands for review in PT4.
0900 - 0910 = Set schedule and update weekly goals.
0910 - 1010 = Catch up in Skype groups (they getting active!!)
1010 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

2015 - 2230 = Poker video then at the tables.

0515 - 0640 = Poker video then at the tables.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 4th August 2014

1. At the start of every session make a post-it note of two things to focus on each session. One to be strategy (such as 3betting/cbetting etc) and one to be work related (such as mark hands/make notes etc). Aim for 100% of making the post-it! - "Cbet that mother!" and "Mark cbet hands". (Week 3/3)

2. Post every single marked hand for the week somewhere and prove to yourself you did it! - Did my 12 for yesterday! Got 11 marked for today! (Week = 16/16)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - More of BB v CO. (Week = 3/3)

4. Post a "hand of the day" into blog. - Posted A6s hand, really good one for me!! (Week = 2/2)

5. Play 8 hours. - Played 5 hours 8 mins. 1 hour 42 mins ahead! Am stuck on houses at the moment and got kids from 1930 tonight so will get even more hours in!

5 x
0 x

Good day for study etc. Got into loads of spots I am not too used to due to being more aggressive but so long as I post hands and learn from it its all good. Bleeding money LDO
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08-07-2014 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Anuth
A6s is gonna flop :
- Top pair + : 18% of the time (TPTK 6.5%, TP no Kicker 6.5%, stronger 5%)
- Weak / middle pair : 15%
- FD : 11%

Roughly we will have no made hand 2/3 of the time (FD included).

We don't have many great options to make money postflop here !

How are we going to extract money oop with a pair of 6 ?
How are we going to play profitably our FD oop ?
Are we just x/f-ing 2/3 of when we miss ?

Ok, we can hope flopping a pair of Ace or a stronger hand and hope we are able to take our opponent's stack but it won't happen often enough to make this call profitable in the long run, I think. Maybe some of us could post their WR after applying the following filters : "Hole Card = A6s" / "Position = SB + BB" / "Did Cold Call = True". I would be interested in that.

The only option here is either folding or 3betting light, but it is situation- and villain-dependent. I think that against an unknown opponent it is more profitable to resteal with value hands only and then adapt when our sample on him gets larger and statistically relevant.
We flop a hand 1/3rd of the time. As you say.

What were the pot odds pre?

So that's enough to call alone. Let alone the times we can't semi-bluff etc.

We have more than enough equity vs his range.

If we have an outcome playing a6s from the bb this way if anything better than -100bb/100 then it's a good thing.

It's a mandatory defend. Trust us.
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08-07-2014 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
We flop a hand 1/3rd of the time. As you say.

What were the pot odds pre?

So that's enough to call alone. Let alone the times we can't semi-bluff etc.

We have more than enough equity vs his range.

If we have an outcome playing a6s from the bb this way if anything better than -100bb/100 then it's a good thing.

It's a mandatory defend. Trust us.
This is quite interesting...but still seems to be a defend that you make vs a know opponent right? With hundreds of hand histories (His tendencies)
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08-07-2014 , 04:55 AM
I am on the "not folding A6s pre in BB vs. BTN-raise"-team.
To the 1/3 of flops we hit, I would like to add bdfd-flops.
I like to be aggressive with this kind of hand on those flops.
Since button raising range is often weak, we should have decent fold equity, and if we are called there are 13 cards (10 flush cards and 3 aces) that we can continue with OTT.

So basically, I think it´s:

c > 3b > f

For A6o, that flops so much worse, I think it is:

3b > f > c

Just my two cents.
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08-07-2014 , 05:00 AM
People need to learn pot odds and equity or they are folding Axs to a min raise in the bb.
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08-07-2014 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chinoxl
This is quite interesting...but still seems to be a defend that you make vs a know opponent right? With hundreds of hand histories (His tendencies)
I tend to treat unknowns as though they are similar to the general 50NL population, and so I assume they have ~40% BU opens, often a lot more when they min raise.

I'm not sure I'd fold A6s to a min raise to even the biggest nit!
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