Hi, thanks for input. Do you think the flop check is ok? I got some people saying to cbet and barrel all overcards but that seems like an exploitative play to me (so maybe its good versus most players at my games or something). Also what am I trying to do by betting here, get him to fold some third pairs etc? I don't think he will fold Tx. And do you think I should bet again on most rivers too? thx again.

Somebody asked me to post typical 24 hours (this is during busy period of work so not much poker in here).

In spoiler as boring and slightly embarrassing imo.

Preflop call and lead flop?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $50.29 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
SB: $43.81 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): $55.57
UTG: $29.56 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
MP: $55.76 (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 25.45, 3Bet Preflop: 19.05, Hands: 57)
CO: $50.75 (VPIP: 19.31, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 5.32, Hands: 505)

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($6.00, 4 players) T 2 8
SB checks,

Think this preflop call is ok getting these odds and closing the action?
What about taking a stab at the flop - ranges weak and not sure I can XC and XR more expensive?

Pre is fine, think if we have a leading range here it's exploitative (and I can't see what we're exploiting) and I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by leading this particular hand. It's a hand which is vulnerable but still probably +EV to take a x/f line with. FWIW I wouldn't have a x/r range on this texture.

Just checking.... Do you mean "EV+ to take a XC line with"?

From advice now received can see that leading or XR is actually not good here.

No, I mean x/f. If we x/f we get to SD and win some % of the time.

Cool, thx bro.

Yea 4 way we can fold to any bet OTF . Don't need to defend this

AK is high enough in ur unpaired range that you probably should be betting flop and X flop with hands like K2o instead.

OTT you are just trying to fold his equity out. He can still have nothing.
River is up to you.

XC is almost certainly -EV. So is leading out.

XF is best in most cases.

with the AK either bet twice or showdown, betting turn to check rivers which don't improve you is the worst option
flop check is fine/good

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 16.07.2014


Schedule 16th July 2014

0900 - 0915 = Set schedule.
0915 - 0930 = Update weekly goals.
0930 - 1015 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
1015 - 1030 = Import and mark hands.
1030 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

No poker tonight working late.

05.15 - 05.45 = Train
05.45 - 06.40 = Poker video then at the tables.


To Do List.

1. Find videos showing HH reviews (use of CREV etc). Got 2 so far!!!



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 14th July 2014

1. Stay focussed (turn off Skype and browser and play 4 tables maximum). Measure as a mark out of ten and estimate overall for each session and include awareness of action at all tables. Keep cumulative total for week. Aim for at least 8/10 average. - Day = 10/10. Only one short session again but really good focus. (Week = 20/20)

2. Back to preflop! Mark 5 hands EVERY session for a preflop question to ask (focus on facing a raise). Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Four hands is a fail. Aim for 90% completion. - Marked loads!! Day = 1/1. (Week = 1/1)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - YES!! Got a "buddy" to talk ranges with. (Week 1/2)

4. Post your marked HH's for preflop questions. Post at least 3 per day AND MAKE A DOCUMENT! Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Two is a fail. Keep running total. Aim for 90% completion and make any left over HH's into a video or do replayer session. - Posted a few in blog. (Week = 2/2)

5. Play 10 hours. - Played 1 hour 43 mins. 1 hour 8 mins behind. Was supposed to get couple of hours in last night as wife was planned to go out. Her night out got cancelled so I took the opportunity to spend another few hours on houses instead. How to catch up!?

4 x
1 x

Turned into another big work day so no play last night.

Did have a great day of study though, posted good few hands and good advice from poker amigos.

Working late again tonight but hoping to go through lots of hands today...

Should have cbet flop? River XR (could donk?)?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $98.65 (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
Hero (SB): $50.25
BB: $56.96 (VPIP: 24.60, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.29, Hands: 3,166)
UTG: $54.31 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 19.92, 3Bet Preflop: 8.51, Hands: 2,404)
CO: $51.50 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 106)

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 8 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 9 8 3
Hero checks, BB bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.00, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

River: ($15.00, 2 players) 4

So you work 11 hours a day with a 1 hour commute?

Is that a standard work day in UK? Not sure if you ever mentioned what you do at your day job.

In the 8Qs hand did you x to him on the river? If you lead out how much?
edit: I see you were asking same haha. I would lead out for like $6.85 as i think you get a ton of xb's from weak made hands. Maybe a bricked flush or straight draw bets the river for you but that's about it.

edit:2 hmm so by my own assessment of his likely holdings x river would be better as he has more bricked draws then made weak hands. Betting folds all of it out and checking lets him bet for us. The only made hand that bets into us there is trips and the unlikely straight right?

Leading is not an option here

Well at least i made edit #2 before Deeepz post haha.

My job is 9 hours (no breaks/lunch but I'm on here now whilst at work so not complaining ) and travel is 90 mins. No, its an hour more than "standard" I would think. I work in a family run timber/builders merchants doing buying, selling, some accounts pretty much a bit of everything. I enjoy it but the time gets on my wick now I have kids.
Will talk on Skype about this as will need a conversation. Bet yh, leading not good without some specific reads.

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 17.07.2014


Schedule 17th July 2014

1030 - 1045 = Set schedule.
1045 - 1100 = Update weekly goals.
1100 - 1130 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
1130 - 1145 = Import and mark hands.
1030 - 1700 = Follow routine for poker habits.

I am not working late tonight!! But might still not play as forgotten what family looks like!

05.15 - 05.45 = Train
05.45 - 06.40 = Poker video then at the tables.


To Do List.

1. Find videos showing HH reviews (use of CREV etc). Got 2 so far!!!



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 14th July 2014

1. Stay focussed (turn off Skype and browser and play 4 tables maximum). Measure as a mark out of ten and estimate overall for each session and include awareness of action at all tables. Keep cumulative total for week. Aim for at least 8/10 average. - Day = 9/10. Only one short session again but really good focus. (Week = 29/30)

2. Back to preflop! Mark 5 hands EVERY session for a preflop question to ask (focus on facing a raise). Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Four hands is a fail. Aim for 90% completion. - Only marked 4 but in such short session its good imo! (Week = 2/2)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Did not do this, massive FAIL! (Week 1/3)

4. Post your marked HH's for preflop questions. Post at least 3 per day AND MAKE A DOCUMENT! Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Two is a fail. Keep running total. Aim for 90% completion and make any left over HH's into a video or do replayer session. - Posted on Skype. (Week = 3/3)

5. Play 10 hours. - Played 2 hours 34 mins. 1 hour 43 mins behind. Just an hour or so this morning. So sad! Big session lined up Saturday night though!!

3 x
2 x

Another big work day so no play last night.

Good chat with really good pro about stuff that inspired me.

Need to look at ranges and post loads hands today...

Linecheck

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $50.00 (VPIP: 22.52, PFR: 20.53, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 154)
MP: $23.42 (VPIP: 58.82, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: $28.35 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 16.84, 3Bet Preflop: 2.47, Hands: 200)
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $96.26 (VPIP: 24.56, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 9.30, Hands: 117)
BB: $57.90 (VPIP: 20.14, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 299)

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $3.75, fold, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($8.00, 2 players) 4 8 8
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.00, 2 players) 3
SB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Not sure if I should bet flop here as not sure I have much SDV versus his checking range.
As played could we consider raising the turn?

We have alot of SDV vs his flop check range so I wouldn't bet. I would also call turn, it let's is play perfectly IP with SDV.

If sb bet flop, what are you doing?

I think flop is a good check as we dont expect him to fold any better hand and we are going to have lot of hands with better barelling opportunities like middling suited connectors etc.

Turn i think calling is best play.

Schedule and Short Term Goals Update - 18.07.2014


Schedule 18th July 2014

0845 - 0900 = Set schedule.
0900 - 0915 = Update weekly goals.
0915 - 0945 = Catch up in Skype and update group timetable.
0945 - 1000 = Import and mark hands.
1030 - 1600 = Follow routine for poker habits.

Got 24 hours off EVERYTHING!! No work, no houses, no poker! Few beers tonight, then family day tomorrow and poker session in the evening when kids gone to bed and wife gone child minding for friends.


To Do List.

1. Figure out when might have to move down.



Short Term Goals Week Commencing 14th July 2014

1. Stay focussed (turn off Skype and browser and play 4 tables maximum). Measure as a mark out of ten and estimate overall for each session and include awareness of action at all tables. Keep cumulative total for week. Aim for at least 8/10 average. - Day = 15/20. Played two sessions and ran pretty horribly I think I managed to play well through it but frustration and missing flops and folding to nits 3 bets had some effect I think. (Week = 44/50)

2. Back to preflop! Mark 5 hands EVERY session for a preflop question to ask (focus on facing a raise). Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Four hands is a fail. Aim for 90% completion. - Marked loads! (Week = 3/3)

3. Check a preflop range versus another player every time your trigger cue happens. Measure YES or NO and keep running total. Aim for 100% completion. - Yep, checked some with Humbuk. (Week 2/4)

4. Post your marked HH's for preflop questions. Post at least 3 per day AND MAKE A DOCUMENT! Measure as YES for achieved and NO for fail. Two is a fail. Keep running total. Aim for 90% completion and make any left over HH's into a video or do replayer session. - Posted loads on Skype. (Week = 4/4)

5. Play 10 hours. - Played 6 hours 33 mins. 50 mins ahead. Unexpected comeback, had kids and wife late back so got some hours in.

4 x
1 x

Only failed on focus and tbh might have passed that.

Really good day of HH posting etc yesterday.

Bad results at the tables, 5 buy-in downer in 1500 hands, ran pretty bad (added to non-proven winner at these stakes).

I need to figure out when I need to move back down to NL25. Pretty weird to figure out when staked. Got chance for big session Saturday night so definitely want to play NL50 for that so will see how that goes...

Ok, thanks, I am struggling to work out his flop checking range here and thought maybe it has quite a few Ax in that I lose to (my thinking being he checks them having SDV).

Not sure what I would do if he cbet on this flop, probably peel one as he has worse and I have backdoor equity.
TY mate.

RE Previous hand, He's betting turn with his entire range , you can raise for equity protection / as a semibluff if you believe that he isn't a great thinking player or we have a nitty image as we basically rep nothing and shouldn't really have FE.

Unless against a tricky/ well balanced opponent, overpairs/ pocket pairs always bet this flop hoping to get called by floats/ Ax/ smaller pairs, so from his pre-flop to flop line I would be putting him on Ax or a smaller pocket pair which got creative and 3-bet (weighted towards A-high ), meaning that a turn call could be okay despite not getting the direct pot odds if we believe he is capable of paying us off , unlikely since we are only really floating turn with pocket pairs/ A-high / BDFD ourselves.

Betting flop with the intention of barreling to rep an 8 is also okay as we do have a number of 8s in our range, again dependent on image/ V calling tendencies.

As an aside, I really really dislike the flat 3-bet call. Against a standard 3-betting range you're dominated a ton of the time and have horrible reverse implieds.

Hope this helps.

its 2 years ago now. did you make it