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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Up and down session today that ended with a $315 win after 4 hours. It felt like I lost though because I was up $925 at one point.
I sat at a new table as it opened.
A maniac sat 2 seats to my left. Not the ideal spot for this guy but whatever. This guy is 100% without a doubt the biggest maniac out of maybe 300-400 2/5 players in this room. There may be more than that many. I really have no idea but its a big room.
He played 1 hour and dropped $2200 and that's nothing out of the ordinary. If he runs hot he will build a huge stack now and then, but we all know these guys lose big long term. He only plays weekends and mostly Sundays.
1) Maniac is already stuck $1200ish and just lost a big pot last hand. UTG limps. I limp AA UTG+1 expecting some fireworks. Maniac just limps though. Now the biggest nit in the history of poker raises to $40. It folds back to me. The Nit has $450. The maniacs chips are spread around about as messy as his poker game but it looks like he has about $225ish. He already has some chips in his hand to call so I flat call. The maniac calls as expected. Theres no doubt in my mind the nit has KK/QQ....or even the other AA.
Flop ($140) 6c4d2c. I check. The maniac tosses in almost all of his greens which ends up being $150. The nit calls. I crai. They both call.
Turn Ts
River 6d....and MHIG. The nit who is a multimillionaire real estate guy confirmed he had KK and commented that the maniac cost him money. Trust me, he would folded to my crai if he hadnt already called the maniacs $150. He's a nits nit.
2) Maniac loses a few more big pots raising middle pair, pounding a turn with nothing after a flush hits and garbage like that.
UTG limps. I limp 88 OTB. I should be raising there but limped. SB calls. The maniac is in the BB and shoves $85. UTG folds. I call HU. I beat his AJ and he left.
3) I open QQ $20 in EP. A bad tight passive guy calls and a good tricky 5/10 player calls.
Flop ($65) Jc4d3d. I bet $50. They both call.
Turn ($215) Js. Blah....I check. Passive guy checks and then the 5/10 player bets $120. Hes tricky enough to bet the FD here but I let it go. I think hes going to fire away on the river no matter what.
4) 1 EP limp. I go $25 KcKs. Fish calls in SB. BB calls. Limper calls.
Flop ($100) Qd8s3s. SB leads $60 with $120 behind. It folds to me. I call
Turn ($220) 9c. He shoves. I call.
River ($460) 6s. He has Qd7d.
5) EP limp. TAG UTG+1 makes his first $15 raise of the day. Hes been raising a standard $20-$25. We are about $1100 effective. LP fish calls. I 3 bet to $60 with 86s and everyone folds.
6) I open to $20 KcQs in EP. Fish OTB and the BB call. BB is not very good overall but hes semi capable and mixes it up quite a it.
Flop ($60) Qd9dTc. BB checks. I bet $40. They both call.
Turn ($180) 4s. Im not crazy about this flop with 2 callers so I check for pot control. Button checks.
River ($180) Ah. BB leads $50. I call and button folds.
I love to hear comments on this one. I cant decide if the turn check is a disgrace or not.
7) MP limps. Button limps. I complete QhJd SB.
Flop ($20) Qc9s6c. I check and it checks to the button who gets $25. This guy on the button bets when hes last to act probably 80% of the time. He can have absolutely anything including nothing. I call and we're HU.
Turn ($70) Qs. Hmmm. I really dont want him checking behind if he has the FD but I dont want him folding the entire rest of his range either so I check. He checks back.
River ($70) 6s. He probably has nothing so I check. he bets $30. I check raise to $80 hoping he hit the backdoor FD. He reraises me to $180. WTF?
Did he really reraise me with a flush on a double paired board? He shouldnt have Q9 or 66 here and check behind on the turn. I cant imagine he will call a shove so I just called just in case he had me beat. He had 65. LOL
8) Here's the most interesting hand of the day. 2 limps. MP raises to $15. SB calls. I call BB 8c6c. This is probably marginal OOP but Im guessing both limpers will also call and they do.
Flop ($75) Kc7c4s. I have a FD and gutshot. SB leads $35. I call as does 1 limper.
Turn ($180) Td. Now I have a FD and double gutshot. SB bets $50 with $380 total. That's a pretty small bet. I have odds to call but if I raise I can fold out a bigger FD and I should have pretty decent FE against the SB. I mean what does he have here? KQ?
I normally default to the lower variance route and just call but this time I decided to raise to $200. It folds back the SB who shoves. UGH!. Obviously I have to call now. Its $180 to me with a $760 pot.
River ($940) 2d.....FML....He had KK. If you put him on KK, Im calling you a liar. Sure he couldve had 77 or 44 but its a pretty rare player who leads with a set. Almost no bad players do it.
Most of these comments are questions, not criticisms, but you might have misplayed a few of them.
2) Limping seems really bad with a maniac in the BB. If you raise his maniac brain will think you're stealing and shove over the top with all kinds of crap. He shoved anyway, but I think if you raise to like $20 he'd shove stuff like 44, K8s, 75s, J9o, etc.
3) Will tricky guy flat with a J on the flop if you bet? A lot of players would raise due to the flush draw. And do you expect him to flat with a J on the turn? I'm skeptical he has a J in a raised pot if he's good. He could have AJ, KJ, QJ, JT, but these hands all have terrible reverse implied odds so he might fold them if they're not suited. But I'm just guessing. I don't know how a good, tricky 5/t player would tend to play here, but calling a raise deep with something like QJo seems pretty bad. If we limit it to the suited combos there are 12 combos of those four hands. It looks to me like he's just stealing the pot on the turn as the check says "I has overpair"
4) Good read I guess. Do players usually donk the flop and shove the turn with a weak top pair?
5) It's not clear what your position is here but the 3-bet seems pretty light if OOP.
6) Hmm...nasty flop for sure, but you're probably ahead. If you intend to pot control on the turn I like a bigger bet on the flop. Checking the turn isn't super terrible but you want to get value from weak drawing hands. You don't have to make a huge bet but I'd bet at least 90. It was a bad river for you unfortunately, but more often than not your opponents will miss. There are a lot of bad rivers: mainly diamonds, an A, or a J, but also a T, a 9, and an 8. But any one of these doesn't mean you've lost as there are many drawing hands out there. If your opponents like to bluff rivers on scary cards then checking might be better, assuming you'd fold to the bluff. If they play straightforwardly I like betting the turn.
8) You aren't doing too well against KQ on the turn (or any made hand really). You're 34% to win vs. KQ. I normally like pushing draws hard but the tiny donk bets from SB look really strong, and the pot size is not good for shoving. You probably don't have much fold equity against a guy donking into the PFR twice. A small raise on the flop would set you up for a better turn shove if he flats, and if villain 3-bets you can consider shoving the flop, but might want to fold as a tiny bet followed by a 3-bet looks crazy strong. As played, just call on the turn. With one card to come you just don't have enough outs and fold equity to warrant shoving, and even less fold equity with your 200 raise. I'm not sure he'd fold a bigger flush draw to a 200 raise. Implied odds are close to 4:1. It's going to be hard for a fish to fold there. Plus he could have a really strong draw like AQcc, AJcc, ATcc, A3cc, 98cc, etc. A lot of your outs may be dirty. If you call the limper probably calls also which builds the pot some without additional risk. If you hit you can get it in but are occasionally coolered. Otherwise give up on the river.
I actually did put SB on a set, most likely KK. But that's just because Saturday I played a hand a lot like this up to the flop. I had the nut flush draw and it came K high. My opponent bet less than half the pot on the flop. She was pretty shallow so I just shoved and she had KK.
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@Winky51
Who has problems with maniacs? These guys are definitely the easiest type of opponent to play against (unless they're good maniacs, but there's like 2 good maniacs in the world) and spew money faster than anyone else. I love maniacs.
Last edited by Shai Hulud; 07-03-2017 at 07:33 PM.