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Old 11-06-2011, 05:23 PM   #76
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Re: Supernova Elite by November 28th

Todays been ideal so far, if ideal means terribaddd. Lost $5k on the 50/50s, $3k below EV. So a pretty damaging session, but have to remember times when I've ran $3k above EV in them, they're just very swingy games. Gotta keep staying 100% positive at all times even when you feel you get that stomach-turning feeling from busting on most tables. It happens to everyone, and if you can push hard in adversity and not let it affect you, that will be your biggest edge. Made 7.5k VPPs so far so volume has been great, was aiming to get to 7k before dinner, depending on traffic later will shoot for 11K+ VPPs. Cracked 800K for the milestone bonus to ease the pain
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Old 11-06-2011, 08:19 PM   #77
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Good job on getting the volume in. As you said, you'll get days like this but you know you'll be winning it all back in the long run.

Keep up the good work!
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:05 PM   #78
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Good job on getting the volume in. As you said, you'll get days like this but you know you'll be winning it all back in the long run.

Keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot, very true!

Your post covers my update for the day! The final sesh of the day seems to have gone not too bad, overall the day was very poor, but without ending a complete disaster. I've had a good run of things the past week so even allowing for this in better shape than after the huge downswing. Ended at 10.6k VPPs, so the plan, pace and grind is setup as planned.

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Old 11-07-2011, 11:22 PM   #79
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Today was weird from the get-go. Woke up hours after I planned to, looked at my clock and freaked out, how the hell did I sleep for 10.5 hours lol? Think my alarm might not have sounded since I turned my phone on silent mode on Friday night when I went out for dinner, either that or I literally didn't hear my alarm ringing for 35 minutes...

Anyway, grinded a tiny bit in the afternoon and amassed just over 1K VPPs. Was thinking this would be one of those 6K struggle days but somehow I ended up making 11K lol. Guess the grind plan is pretty huge for VPP hourly now, especially before the games die down late evening, so that's very reassuring to know.

But today stlll sucked bigtime, lost quite a bit and ran the worst I've ever experienced on 18-mans. I'm used to hearing people moaning about losing every flip and 70/30, but for about 4-5 hours ITM I literally did. I wasn't counting but would predict I lost 17/20 50/50s, 70/30s and 80/20s in that period. It's not really earth shattering, looking at the numbers after writing it down it looks like it's very unlucky, but something you would EXPECT to happen once in a blue moon. So natural order happened, big deal, move on.

After a shaky start I feel like I played well, so given the extremity of the session, that's a big achievement. Something I think is very important for poker players is to do is acknowledge good things that both happen and are done by them in play. Human nature means we have a tendency to obsess on all the bad things that happen/we do, and when good stuff happens it gets glossed over. To maintain a positive outlook always, you really need to acknowledge the good stuff you're doing, even more important when the good stuff is disguised by having a heavy losing day. One way to do this is by attaching a positive reward for doing good stuff, such as buying yourself something nice, enjoying a nice dinner somewhere or whatever floats your boat. Earlier in this thread I talked about disciplining myself when I fall short of the necessary targets, well this is the exact same concept in reverse. Pretty much a type of self-conditioning.

3 weeks away from SNE HOPEFULLY!! BOOM
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:35 AM   #80
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impressive writing. i enjoyd reading
very nice thread! keep it up

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Old 11-08-2011, 03:40 AM   #81
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After a shaky start I feel like I played well, so given the extremity of the session, that's a big achievement. Something I think is very important for poker players is to do is acknowledge good things that both happen and are done by them in play. Human nature means we have a tendency to obsess on all the bad things that happen/we do, and when good stuff happens it gets glossed over. To maintain a positive outlook always, you really need to acknowledge the good stuff you're doing, even more important when the good stuff is disguised by having a heavy losing day. One way to do this is by attaching a positive reward for doing good stuff, such as buying yourself something nice, enjoying a nice dinner somewhere or whatever floats your boat. Earlier in this thread I talked about disciplining myself when I fall short of the necessary targets, well this is the exact same concept in reverse. Pretty much a type of self-conditioning.

3 weeks away from SNE HOPEFULLY!! BOOM
good post. i use this frequently when in bad moods at the tables.
somehow im in a downer and forgot all those things but lucky i found ur thread so hope i can get back on track with my approach

also post#22 = nuts

keep it up
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Old 11-08-2011, 07:47 AM   #82
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Re: Supernova Elite by November 28th

what do you plan to do in december? Still play a bit or take a completely a month off from playing?
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:01 PM   #83
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impressive writing. i enjoyd reading
very nice thread! keep it up

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Thanks glad ur enjoying it!

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good post. i use this frequently when in bad moods at the tables.
somehow im in a downer and forgot all those things but lucky i found ur thread so hope i can get back on track with my approach

also post#22 = nuts

keep it up
Yeah like everytime Im having a terrible session like today I get the same terrible feeling inside like the last thing I wanna be doing right now is grinding. Gotta use every ounce of motivation to pull thru!!

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what do you plan to do in december? Still play a bit or take a completely a month off from playing?
I'm planning on having a complete rest and not playing much. Going abroad for the whole month so poker won't be on the brain as much as it usually is, that being said I think it'd be a safe prop bet that I can't stay away from playing the whole month by a long way haha. I figure I'll probably end up playing a lil bit whenever I'm bored, will be a great feeling not having a ridiculous number of tables running constantly, and actually having time to make decisions. Also gotta make sure one of my students pulls thru his SNE chase and make sure my other students are in good shape.

One thing about being away from the tables is coming back really can be tough if you go away for a prolonged period with zero play. I remember a few years ago I went on vacation partied most of summer didn't play at all, came back and went from being top of the games to breaking even for about a year, not fun!! Don't think anything like that would ever happen again but I'm always paranoid about it.
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:09 PM   #84
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For deep thoughts about how today went, refer to yesterdays' post!

Pretty similar story, I think with this level of volume the variance/swings are gonna be enormous in both directions. After rb if I'm losing just over $2k each of these terribad days, that's probably not too bad since +>$6k days have happened as well. Also when I first register in my main session, the traffic is pretty big so I end up having too many tables popping up. I'm sure I could avoid this by erring on the side of caution, but wanting to maximize VPPs I think I'm going a bit overboard for that 2-3 hour period. So I was very conscious of being overloaded today and making a lot of horrendous misclicks, and quite a few bad plays. Once the traffic eased a bit suddenly the misclicks went away and most of the mistakes did.

Think now that I've made up some really solid ground such that I'm ahead of pace, I'll be more sensible and take it a bit easier. This should change the 11k VPP days to ~8-9k, but also add several hundred bucks of equity where I get to shove KK instead of folding it like a moron!
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:40 AM   #85
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What is your setup?
I assume you use different stacks for each game type?

You meantioned there is a well, link please? (cannot find it with when searching)
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Old 11-10-2011, 09:10 AM   #86
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What is your setup?
I assume you use different stacks for each game type?

You meantioned there is a well, link please? (cannot find it with when searching)
I use 2*28" monitors though only one is really necessary, the other one is useful for lobby and watching videos to keep me occupied. Use ninja but prefer having the freedom to manually register without it popping up at awkward times so don't use the auto-reg feature. I actually just have everything on one stack lol, if I have time to drag deeper tourns away I do that otherwise it's all in one. If they could automatically stack in different parts of the screen depending on the game type, that'd be awesome.

Regarding the well I can't really cite it since it's at a different forum, but will probably be easy to just answer any questions here, doesn't take too long and am more than happy to help
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Old 11-10-2011, 09:28 AM   #87
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Another great thread. Definitely following this 1.

Is there anywhere I can read up about how you built yourself into a position to do this? (The games you used to play? how you built your bankroll? etc)

Best of luck.
It's taken a few years to get into this position, I started with the $4 180 man non-turbos, and moved into the 45-man turbos from the $3 level. Gradually I moved up in those to the $27 games. I also started playing the 18-mans a bit, not exactly sure what made me get into those but probably because the 45-man regs such as imcastleman were pwning the 18s hard too.

I made pretty solid money on those games, playing pretty mediocre volume and very much part-time hours, partying at college was far more important, but this was an awesome way to pay for everything, including coming home after nights out and firing up a few sngs to cover the drinks. Then Stars introduced these 180-man turbo sngs, and I gave them a shot. I remember thinking it was quite risky since they are bigger fields I could lose quite a lot of money, but seem to remember binking a good prize on one of my first attempts, if not the first. From then on I became a 180-man reg with very good results, in May/June 2008 I think between 180s and chopping an $11R MTT I made something like >$20k profit, maybe $24k can't remember. But that was completely surreal for me. I'd never been accustomed to winning money of that magnitude, it was pretty scary and exciting at the same time.

Then I went on vacations all summer. After having a great time I returned to the tables, and proceeded to pretty much break-even for a year on the games I'd crushed just before that. It was pretty soul crushing and hard to believe.

Basically from that point I went from being 100% self-taught and improvised to searching for the best coach I could find to learn from. I played backed and got coached by some great guys in these games since that point, right up until this year. Between mid last-year making quite a bit of money on the STT non-turbos, then getting into 6-9 man super turbos, my bankroll gradually built up more and more. I have also been coaching for quite a few years and had some very successful students last year/this year which helped with the BR.

The two big things that I think have been fundamental to getting to this point are: 1) seeking and receiving great instruction to improve my game (up until this year, and I still check out training videos since my game will always be full of terrible leaks), and 2) learning a ton of different skill sets - I feel comfortable in 2-180 mans, normal, turbo and hyper, MTTs and cash games. When it comes to Omaha or any other game tho I'm completely clueless, so that's a future step perhaps.

Hope this helps!
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The two big things that I think have been fundamental to getting to this point are: 1) seeking and receiving great instruction to improve my game (up until this year, and I still check out training videos since my game will always be full of terrible leaks), and 2) learning a ton of different skill sets - I feel comfortable in 2-180 mans, normal, turbo and hyper, MTTs and cash games. When it comes to Omaha or any other game tho I'm completely clueless, so that's a future step perhaps.

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Thanks. It's just nice to know some background info. Gave me something to read while I'm bored on a break from playing

GL with the grind today.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:47 PM   #89
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The last day or so was really eventful. Gonna really cliff note it for the sake of sanity!

.Playing big sesh last night, with say 40 odd tables running my Stars client freezes. I'm also registered for a zillion tourmaments yet to start
.Try everything to get back on, backup internet, backup laptop, reboot, close other apps etc. Nothing works. I can login but tables won't load properly, cannot play a single hand for 30 minutes.
.After enough tables have busted (pretty much all apart from the newer-loaded ones, I get back on successfully and finish off sesh. It looks something like this:

.Cant sleep all night, very painful gym sesh earlier in evening, awesome pain but impossible to sleep. Also gettin bad cold and cannot believe what just happened.
.Send Stars a bunch of information, due to their unbelievable awesomeness receive a great refund. Obv can't cover cashed tournaments where I finished say 4th instead of 1st, but covers the auto-bricks. Problem is from my end, probably the sheer number of tables making it hard to load after the freeze plus the new tables popping up quickly (system resources was only 29% and cpu usage 5-9% [top of the range custom build grind machine], but probably still couldn't carry out the simultaneous table tasks). Needless to say I will significantly drop my max #tables after this and pre-registrations.
.Feel on top of the world, ready to crush the rest of this chase!

Played only 3k VPPs today, made nice profit despite the pretty low volume. Did a lot of coaching and going to get well rested now to prepare big grinding from tomorrow to make up volume and put solid hours in with good sleeping pattern. Still 9k VPP/day to SNE!

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Old 11-10-2011, 08:02 PM   #90
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Eeeek. I can't imagine everything freezing with that many games running, sickening
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Message stars, they usually are really good about stuff like that. Goodluck
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Eeeek. I can't imagine everything freezing with that many games running, sickening
Yeah at first I just thought it was a weird temporary hang, no big deal i'll be back in within 20 secs switch to my backup connection. Gradually got more and more worrying!!

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Yep they are awesome, in <24 hrs they gave me a very generous refund which covered all the tournaments severely impacted. Really are second to none as an example of how to give customers the best possible service.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:50 PM   #93
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Just wanted to say good luck. I be watching this thread.
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Just wanted to say good luck. I be watching this thread.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:28 AM   #95
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Yesterday was pretty good for the first two sessions, then the final session was akin to when I was disconnected for 30 mins, only I actually was playing. Bricked almost everything but the damage for the day after rakeback wasn't too bad, still up over the last three days after refund.

It's a bit disappointing seeing sharkscope stats getting butchered by the chase, I remember only some weeks back the pre-rakeback profit was nearly $70k higher!! Ultimately earning potential should be the main thing that matters, and aesthetic stats less so. That being said I definitely need to demonstrate some strong stats to be in contention for applying to Team Online. I'm sure between lifetime stats vs these ones a pattern should be clear, and obv after rakeback this is still generating decent profit.

Keeping up with the pace required which is good, equation is still 9K/day. I am tempted to mix less games when it's peak traffic, since tables pop-up a bit too much and the games are definitely quite tough at those times. Really depends on the cost:benefit $ vs VPP tradeoff for these last 17 days. Logic would say the #1 thing that must be maintained is VPP pace, psychologically maximizing winning poker every day is #1. I try and make logic win if possible!

VPPs earned: 847K
VPPs req'd for SNE: 153K
17 days @ 9K VPP/day req'd for target finish date November 28th.
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Keeping the grind steady, got the 9K needed today which is always good for a Saturday. Been a bit ill over the last week so grinding has been tough, today it felt really difficult. The first sesh felt decent enough, but starting the second sesh was absolutely out of necessity. About 1K VPPs into it I was getting really close to just stopping it short, really did not feel in a good frame of mind at all, physically and mentally. To make things worse I had a doomswitch which felt identical to yesterday, at this point I was really hitting the edge. But I just told myself the only way you can give yourself a chance of going to bed feeling good is if you volume through this: either things will continue crappy and you'll feel bad the same as if you stopped, or you will luckbox/heater and turn everything around, going to be bed happy. Well I convinced myself of it and a combination of inner talking and hip hop got me to the end. Glad to say the second scenario unfolded and after rakeback even ended a bit up, happy days!

Here's my HEM graphs for the day which are a graphic illustration of how I felt emotionally throughout the grinding:






Each day is definitely getting TOUGHER so this really is pushing myself to the limit, but closing in on the last 150K and only 16 more days grinding left. Some rungood would definitely be appreciated at this point, pleeeeease.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:38 AM   #97
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completely and utterly insane, good luck!
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Grinded hard today and made over 13k VPPs. Sundays are awesome for vpps as the higher buy-in sngs kickoff more regularly.

The first sesh felt pretty terrible, had this same psychological anguish trying to grind through it not wanting to at all. The second session was the opposite, pretty much felt fine and achieved excellent volume.

It's annoying to realize but clearly my mood is results orientated (ldo). Whilst I seem to be able to play through variance pretty strongly, it's clear I'm not immune to letting results affect me, subconsciously and consciously. The fact that I was able to pump out 9k VPPs in my second set is testament to the fact that the better I run, the better I put in and the more I get out. The worse I run, the opposite. Even if I'm managing to play ok during the bad spells, and get the minimum required VPPs for those sessions, it is definitely limiting my potential at those times. Overcoming this leak will be huge. I guess it's pandora's box for all poker players.

How to do it? The best way to do this is by NOT looking at your results on HEM constantly during your sessions. Easier said than done, but when you can see a direct negative effect it is having on your game, must be done. If it motivates you/spurs you on to keep grinding harder, then it would be something that SHOULD be implemented as it is achieving a positive effect. If you play stacked, with games automatically closing when bust/won, it should be hard to know exactly how you're doing, especially if you're playing a lot of tables. So looking at HEM will make a significant psychological difference unless you are immune to being results orientated (but then why do you keep checking HEM?!).

Food for thought, so from now on I need to practice what I'm preaching and stop checking HEM during sessions. Tbh there's no actual reason why I should even check my results at all, only for publicizing them on blogs really. Over a large sample it is clearly very useful for examining equity, but in the short-term HHs will always be way more a true representation of what's going on than results. In the long-term this is still the case, but over huge samples it is hard to humanly identify trends specific to game types, buy-ins and other generic factors calculated by HEM.
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You're getting there mate. Not long now...!

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Thanks! I'm beginning to agree with you haha

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You're getting there mate. Not long now...!

Yep really am quite close now, it feels a hell of a way away still tho, probably 6500-7000 games away still!
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