Now you tell us RR. Are you an investor as well. Seems like the “Markets” offer way more edge. It’s kind of like “trades” are better than “bets”. I’m so blazed off of tincture, first try. You hold it under you’re tongue for 30 sec first

Yes i feel bigger edge in trades than bets. Bets is just pure hobby for me. I’m no pro.
I also feel crytpo more predictable than stocks, believe or not. Crypto just seems to more together.

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Been playing these Wednesdays 5/10/20 games and been doing alright . 3 wins, 1 loss. Avg win 1k ish.

Today had 2 hands that really were tricky. Both against top notch players.

Not sure which to discuss first. Already anticipating some back lash on one hand. Played it really weird. Weird meaning, possibly idiotic.
Hell let’s discuss that one while it’s still fresh. Happened just minutes ago.
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Save all the “shd hv done this” and “shd hv done that” comments and if I cd just get feedback on call or fold spot on turn? Trust me I ran this back a few times in my head, and cd hv done some things differently.

Villain Utg 1: 4k stack, one of the best players in the room. Plays position well, exploits board textures well, 3 bets weaker players a lot, wide button range. Winning in the sesh +2k
Utg +2 Me: 4k stack as well. been playing solid. Haven’t got out of line. Also up couple thousand.
MP: college wiz kid, poker savvy, on of the lowest vpr vpip at the table.

Vill and I hv played together every Wednesday and Friday for last few weeks. Lots of respect for his game.

5/10/20
V in +1 opens to $60, I look down at KK put in the 3b to $150. *My 3 bet sizing has been small last few weeks and I’m just keeping this small bet sizing thing going. College kid to my direct left puts in a 4b to $350. Folds to +1 who calls $350, and I 5b to $700. A little small again, but wanted to gv me room to fold if the 6bet came in. *Only folded Kings a couple times in my day and this wd hv been another time for sure if 6er comes in. Luckily no 6b and Mp tank folds, but utg+1 makes the call.

$1800ish in the pot. hu in position.
Flop is: Qc Js 4c

V checks, and I check. Mistake by checking? Or is it? Not sure what I’m trying to do here. Lol. Really hated the flop. That’s all, but I think A bet shd b in order for sure. No sure if I was checking to set up a big bet for turn? Or Scared he hit his range and pot controlling? Giving him some rope? Brain fart? Idk.
Anyways we checked. Save the comments. Only want an answer in this turn situation.

Turn is a 10d
V leads for $800. I hv over pair and oesd and not loving it at all. Many 5b calling hands here preflop are hitting this board pretty good. That what it feels
like to me anyways especially after the $800 turn bet. Plus he has to know my range is capped.

Stop w all the lectures on up sizing more pre and betting the flop.
All I want to know now is shd we call $800 ott?

zero chance i'm ever folding to a 40% psb on the turn there

you heavily block the nuts in AK here, while definitely in his range he won't have that too often for that specific reason, it reads like QQ/JJ, maybe even some TT if he's pretty loosey goosey, but if he has these then you can still outdraw him and he could even be donking around with AQ here, which i know doesn't fit your profile but then again he also called a 4! so it's very possible he's getting out of line or taking some weird exploitative aprroach with AA, low pockets, or Ax here - maybe even some sc if he's donking around

since you don't want other commentary i'll be silent on the rest but fact you know he is very unlikely to have AK here, it's the nuts, and you can credibly rep it is important to bear in mind

yeah man have to call and hope for nina or the 1 or hope he checks river so we can check back

Call. But cut the chips to the side and get a read on him before you put them in

He should have AK here pretty much always. He flats a cold 4! and a 5! and then leads on a board where AK is the nuts and you should have AK a solid amount of the time.

Regardless if he doesn’t have AK, I can’t honestly think of a hand he can have that we’re ahead of

800/3400 = 23.5%, vs sets we only have 22.7% equity. IO are minimal because we probably never get paid off when we hit our straight.

It’s a fold IMO

Pre/flop FPS makes this hand way more difficult to play


I’m going to hard disagree that V doesn’t have a lot of AK. Do you typically 5! over a cold 4! with AK in live games? Descriptions don’t lead to these guys getting that out of line IMO

agreed, not many hands he cold 4! here, despite blocking it, it's definitely among the usual suspects

I think there is some confusion. I read it as this:

UTG+1 opened
BS 3!
MP cold 4!
UTG+1 called cold 4!
BS 5!
MP folded
UTG+1 then called the 5!

I’m saying UTG+1 is going to have a metric **** ton of AK, TT+ and he probably has very little AQ-. Best case is him having KK

Agree with everything.

That $700 min-raise pre made your own life difficult.

fair enough, i was flavoring a lot of this with generic midwest poker and forgot players don't get ool at this specific place where level of competition is elite

Flyover America poker is where all the best players go to test the mettle.

I agree with a lot of this

Yeah agree as well. Wd this b considered a min raise? *$150 to $350 ($200 raise) to $700 ($350 raise).

The reason I sized this…college kid had the lowest vpfr at the table. He hasn’t 3 bet nada. Let alone 4bet. It felt as if it cd be Aces. Wanted that info pre. So I said to myself before placing the 5b, that if I get 6b for large I’m folding.
The smaller 5 was for more info.
The $700 amount was a price where i cd 5bet fold if need be, and/or get some iso or folds from other 2 players.
Hindsight, mayb a little more.
I thought for sure mp had Aces. I was like omg on the inside when he tank folded. That whole time he was tanking, I thought I was royally phucked. Kept telling myself this wiz kid is tanking w Aces to get paid off. That was my thought. When he folded, I was surprised and relieved.
Then stubborn V gets in the mix and I brain fart flop.

Exactly.
This is what I was wondering when contemplating the call. I fig’d it was super close.

So after V leads for $800 I’m punching myself on the inside. I know I’m crushed here. Is my bottom straight draw even gd? Huger send drawing to a chop?
What’s my equity versus sets? I’m blocking AK, but been leveled by that thinking way too many times. The mind is running every race at that moment.

More than anything, I know that he knows my range is capped. I know that he realizes I must hv Aces or Kings. So when he bets $800 he has to be thinking I’m gonna be calling w my hand. Which tells me he has to b super nutted here to be betting. He lays such a gd price. Such a sick #.

I tabled the fold hoping he wd show. He’s a true pro, and didn’t.
After some talking about this hand throughout the next few deals, V wants to tell me what he had.
V says he turned a set of 10s. This cd b true. This cd b level.

Tomo another hh coming from tonight’s sesh.

Regardless of what you do on turn it’s worth noting that you are very close to bottom of range for this spot while V has all sets + AK str8’s. You are also potentially drawing dead to a chop, and a 9 doesn’t even guarantee a chop, so your IO gets really grim.
He almost can’t even have a bluff here tbh.

His preflop is play is… interesting.

You almost certainly shouldn’t have KK in you’re 5! range here. He’s going to be 4! with much more Ax than Kx and you only block AK.

You could easily either 1) only have a 5! range of only {AA,AKs}, folding AK to a 6!. 2) not have a 5! range here. You play this game once a week, if that, 5! spots will be so infrequent that no one would ever know what your range is

good post.

I just cant..with.. the whole hey I butchered every street wdid now thing.

Fold turn imo but it's really close. I don't know what kind of wild games y'all play in but I wouldn't expect villain to have much AK here, this reeks of a set. Villain opens in EP gets 3 bet and cold 4bet by the two tightest players at the table. If he's good at all he's just folding AK here all day right?. I'm certainly not calling AK here preflop trying to run down what looks like aces. That's just me, I'm a nit.

3bet a little bigger preflop since your 200bb deep with villain, $180-$200.

I think the 5bet should be slightly bigger like $800. Try to give villain and MP <12:1 implied odds.

Did MP have 4k also or was he shorter?

Mp 3k ish.
Appreciate the feedback. All of the feedback here was solid. All of this is gonna get me to the top. It’s coming. This is just a stepping stone. Hang in there.

Here we go next interesting spot from last night…

only accepting critique on by you chosen parts of the hand is not going to improve your game as much as complete honesty about how badly you play some hands would. this is bunting in an arena where home runs are expected.

5/10/20nl early in the sesh.

V, another one of the best players in the room. Yeah it’s not the best 5/10/20 games, but there are some spots. This guys isn’t one of them.
He has been running bad up to this point. Still making great plays, but just not going his way. We all been there. It’s miserable.
After a dude at the table said “what a fun group we hv here. “. V humorously says “I’m having zero fun.” I like this dude.
It’s just not going his way. Like a true pro tho, he stays solid. It’s not effecting his plays too much.
Game recognizes game in these line ups and we been going w some different strategies. Flatting in spots where I shd b 3betting, and 3betting in spots where I shd b flatting. I feel he noticed this too. That may not even b important in this hand.

V $2200 stack. I cover.

V opens his standard $60 in ep. Folds to me in late w pocket 10s. Staying w the small 3b sizing thing, we click $130. Folds to an easy call from V.

Hu pot $275
Flop 10c 7d 3s

V checks. We downbet our top set w $100. V raises to $325. I’m thinking phucking Mirage, Vacation $, Caribbean, Mya college payments, Vday family steakhouse, and maybe more Gucci shoes!!!
K, let’s just call here in position and put the hammer raise on the turn.
I have all of it here otf, so it’s either set over set, or a 89 suited straight draws from V. That hand makes most sense w action pre. No 2 pairs makes sense, overpair not likely. Wth? Seen V raise plenty of times w drawing hands.
Let’s just call here and get the monies in ott.
Let’s keep him wide, and take our chances fading the Jack or 6.

Pot $925
Turn Js
V bets $350.. after some thinking, the decision was made NOT hammer raise this turn and just call again. A wait and see approach for river. How bout we just pair the board otr and make it easy for this old fella?

Pot $1625
River 5s
10c 7d 3s Js 5s
This brings in a back door spade flush. Wasn’t worried too much bout spades unless he had something like straight draw (or pair) w it. Something like Js9s or 8s7s. Those type combos.

V says “all-in” w just pure confidence. $1770 to call.
Pot $3400
Tbh, at this point, I’m only beating a bluff.
I talk for information and ask, “Do u have it man?” Not much response. But when I asked, “Are u bluffing man?” He smiled. Sounds silly, but it leaned me more to wanting to call. I cdnt figure this out. Knew I was gonna get shown 89!! I pinned that hand down from the flop and it played as if it was on every street. Leaving V a pot size bet otr. Dude is too gd.

Whatcha u think guys?
Call? or fold?

when you're describing these top players are they professional poker players or talented recreationals with 9-5s?