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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
396 12.72%
$22K TO $28K
455 14.62%
$28K TO $34K
506 16.26%
$34K TO $40K
529 17.00%
$40K TO $46K
296 9.51%
MORE THAN $46K
930 29.88%

01-11-2022 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
Then you have Buffalo (+150) at KC. You bet 4K to win 6K. KC wins, now you have invested 10K to win 25K

Then you have KC at Tenn (-150). You bet 15K to win 10K. KC wins, now you have invested 25K to win 25K.

Then the superbowl. KC wins, you break even, KC loses you lose 25K.

In this hedging scenario, you either break even if any underdog wins, or lose 20K.

Please tell me where I am mistaken.

Thanks in advance.
I never said it was a good idea. In general if you were to hedge something like this (you shouldn’t or why bet in the first place) you would wait until the Super Bowl. If KC loses in the first round they never had a shot anyway.

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01-11-2022 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
pics or it didn't happen

Check dms
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01-11-2022 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
Then you have Buffalo (+150) at KC. You bet 4K to win 6K. KC wins, now you have invested 10K to win 25K

Then you have KC at Tenn (-150). You bet 15K to win 10K. KC wins, now you have invested 25K to win 25K.

Then the superbowl. KC wins, you break even, KC loses you lose 25K.

In this hedging scenario, you either break even if any underdog wins, or lose 20K.

Please tell me where I am mistaken.

Thanks in advance.

The reason it doesn’t work is because the odds of the bet are effectively the same today as they were when the bet was placed. Oddsmakers are going to work out the scenarios of the playoff games and bake the odds of the potential matchups into the futures odds so you can’t just take a futures bet and hedge it every week into the SB. Since the odds BS got are the same as the current odds, it’s been figured out by sports books.

The only way hedging really works out mathematically is if BS’s bet from months ago had way better odds associated with it, then he could hedge through more or all of the playoffs, or waiting several games into the playoffs before hedging, maybe even waiting through all until the SB
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01-11-2022 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
He could hedge by placing money line wagers on the Chiefs opponents through the playoffs,,,
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
...The only way hedging really works out mathematically is if BS’s bet from months ago had way better odds associated with it, then he could hedge through more or all of the playoffs, or waiting several games into the playoffs before hedging, maybe even waiting through all until the SB
The second quote is what I thought
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01-11-2022 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
The second quote is what I thought

The first quote was because I thought you were asking what hedging was. If you knew, then I misunderstood your question. I wasn’t advocating that he could do it through the entirety of the playoffs
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01-11-2022 , 11:49 PM
I think hedging wouldn’t work here bc of the vig, which is paid both ways if you book a futures bet then hedge it. If you book at +500 it implies that the book thinks the true odds are worse, like +550 or whatever. If you could bet each game ex vig you should lock in a small loss (assuming lines you get are what they were expected to be when you made the futures bet). Since you have to also pay vig on those games, you’ll lose more.

Hedging also wouldn’t work if chiefs expectations go down after you bet, for instance if mahomes got hurt. In this case the lines would move away from the chiefs and you would effectively get worse odds to hedge each game, resulting in a loss. Another way to think about it is that if you bet 1k, your bet is worth 1k of ev (ex vig), but if mahomes gets hurt it might be worth 500 in ev so you lost 500 at that time. Hedging based on the new lines (ex vig) should then lock in your new ev of 500. This would work the other way too, so if chiefs expectations go up you could lock in a profit.
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01-11-2022 , 11:54 PM
Its a moot point since BS ain't no *****.
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01-12-2022 , 12:10 AM
Yes, should probably have lead with that
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01-12-2022 , 10:31 AM
This hedge talk is funny.

Chiefs have been rolling lately and have a fairly dull path to the SB.

Game 1 - Steelers - LOL - Big Rapelessberger has been pitiful, would need a miracle to beat the chiefs

Game 2 - Most likely Bills/Bengals/Raiders - this is the bigger concern. Bills are the team to worry about most. Cincy did beat chiefs, but think Chiefs win a rematch in arrowhead. Chiefs crushed the Raiders twice so not as concerning.

Game 3 - AFC Championship - We are expecting the Chiefs to at least reach this game. This is where we can consider our hedge opportunities. Both on live and future wagers. Most likely looking at either AT Tennessee or Home vs a much weaker opponent. Ideal scenario is Titans getting upset by Patriots/Bengals.

Game 4 - Super Bowl - More hedging opportunities. Chiefs will face Green Bay and will have a battle for the ages.
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01-12-2022 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tswpoker1
Game 2 - Most likely Bills/Bengals/Raiders
Not most likely. Certainly.
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01-12-2022 , 01:24 PM
Crypto back up. Are we seeing a bet on the Hoosiers tomorrow night? Also Woodson said he isn’t wearing a suit…
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01-12-2022 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ForBroke
Crypto back up. Are we seeing a bet on the Hoosiers tomorrow night? Also Woodson said he isn’t wearing a suit…


No I think I’m gonna wait until Purdue at home on 20th and see what the odds are. Of course, if xlm above .29. Trying to be a responsible sports better during this experiment.

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Trolls keep it spicy, haters drive me, supporters keep me in check. I need to just let things roll where they may. It’s all working just fine.
Stay up and after it dudes.
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01-12-2022 , 06:06 PM
Maybe I missed an explanation somewhere but why are you tying your sports betting to the price of xlm? Isn’t the money for sports betting liquid or in a different place than your crypto account?
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01-12-2022 , 06:08 PM
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Maybe I missed an explanation somewhere but why are you tying your sports betting to the price of xlm? Isn’t the money for sports betting liquid or in a different place than your crypto account?
He cant pay his taxes if xlm is tanking. He would have to use his cash instead of selling some xlm.
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01-12-2022 , 06:55 PM
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Maybe I missed an explanation somewhere but why are you tying your sports betting to the price of xlm? Isn’t the money for sports betting liquid or in a different place than your crypto account?

All my money is in play w xlm. I don’t hv extra money to bet 2k weekly when xlm is below .29.
*Current avg .2849
When it’s above .29, I sell some and hv money to spend.
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01-12-2022 , 07:01 PM
wtf kind of 40 yr old man acts this way with their life roll, but I guess it's not surprising given you post like a 20 yr old texts.

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01-12-2022 , 07:11 PM
in after a post that made OP heaps of money.
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01-12-2022 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fozzy71
wtf kind of 40 yr old man acts this way with their life roll, but I guess it's not surprising given you post like a 20 yr old texts.

A man with a impossible high self esteem, and thinks education is a big lie.
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01-12-2022 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
A man with a impossible high self esteem, and thinks education is a big lie.
Thats real king ****. The peasants wouldn't understand.
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01-12-2022 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by meshanti
A man with a impossible high self esteem, and thinks education is a big lie.
huh? i don't get it?
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01-12-2022 , 11:50 PM
I don't think he said it's a lie. From memory, it was more along the lines of "it's overrated".
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01-12-2022 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Appreciate the response. I like to try to respond to subs here that don’t post often.
So where to start??
College fund, nah. College is over rated over price, and people that grad w piles of debt is a step backwards IMO. But u do u. It’s safe, I get it. Throw it in a cd too while ur at it.
Other safe investments, is not me. U shd know by now. U can throw all on FANGS, Mutuals funds n sheet, but I like pennies.
Next off, my life is fine. I’m gd. Family gd. Hv u heard of #LATcouples. It’s kind of where we are right now, and it’s better than what is was. So step forward IMO, but I can see how small mind traditionalist can see otherwise.
Lastly, did I not say the doc is a suicide mission??. A death trap??? and everything else that makes me look bad??? Ones that are implying that I feel this doc will make my look like a hero is just not paying attention.
MANA is not a unicorn it’s the future. Get familiar
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A small %.
We just made our first payment on her college.
She is going small college her locally and I’ll make sure she’ll graduate without any debt.

If you need to know Rays stance on education. What's next abortion?
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01-13-2022 , 01:31 AM
^^^

Talking about having too much time on his hands.

I was exaggerating about his views on education. He just thinks fromal education is a scam.

(I really would rather be sleeping right now.)
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01-13-2022 , 01:41 AM
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^^^

Talking about having too much time on his hands.

I was exaggerating about his views on education. He just thinks fromal education is a scam.

(I really would rather be sleeping right now.)
I did say I have too much time on my hands, but still not enough to call poker rooms to checkup on Trooper Thursday.
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01-13-2022 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY
I did say I have too much time on my hands, but still not enough to call poker rooms to checkup on Trooper Thursday.
The call only took a few minutes
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