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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
396 12.72%
$22K TO $28K
455 14.61%
$28K TO $34K
506 16.25%
$34K TO $40K
529 16.99%
$40K TO $46K
296 9.51%
MORE THAN $46K
932 29.93%

12-27-2021 , 02:15 PM
Hey Ray, just wanted to wish you good luck and keep your head up! Stay focused on the positives, life is too short, and keep it up!
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12-27-2021 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ForBroke
The Southern Indiana player skill hate is funny. I live close and I can’t be bothered to drive out there normally and just play online. (I need that meet up game to make it worth it)

I’ve played countless hours in a few poker rooms and I would say the boat is on the tougher side but some of the daytime regulars have exploitable leaks and play everyday. I’m sure BS has learned to print money off them. Their consistency of play may not be found elsewhere and for sure helps the win rate.
your edge in poker is of course relative to your competition but the best measure we have to assess skill universally is software training against an equilibrium solver and how much you lose vs it.

itt people are talking mainly about live low stakes holdem. almost none of those players have any clue how the game should actually play regardless of venue and would get pummeled against an equilibrium strategy.

that doesn't mean there aren't losers and big winners in these games or that there aren't exploits a plenty to take advantage of, its just that the losers in these games are absolutely terrible, the winners are some degree better than that but still likely not great.
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12-27-2021 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinb1983
your edge in poker is of course relative to your competition but the best measure we have to assess skill universally is software training against an equilibrium solver and how much you lose vs it.

itt people are talking mainly about live low stakes holdem. almost none of those players have any clue how the game should actually play regardless of venue and would get pummeled against an equilibrium strategy.

that doesn't mean there aren't losers and big winners in these games or that there aren't exploits a plenty to take advantage of, its just that the losers in these games are absolutely terrible, the winners are some degree better than that but still likely not great.
I agree it’s tough to compare live games. I’m just saying that it helps to play the same bad players over and over because you know the optimal way to exploit them. I think it would be tough to find a casino with more consistent low stakes regs that also always has games running. I see the same faces about every time I’m there and it’s not often.

So using how BS plays/wins in this field isn’t a good metric for how tough or soft the games are. It just means he is good at exploiting the player base that he has played with for 20 years.
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12-28-2021 , 11:50 AM
Trying my best to get in a healthy mindset and shake these negative thoughts. Failures over wins always wanna boggle my mind. Doing my best to rectify the mood, and figured only way possible is to keep showing up.

back in the fire.
Jan 22nd round 2. LodgeLive.
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12-28-2021 , 12:02 PM
Good luck.
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12-28-2021 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Sell the house, take some time apart, put all money on mana, make a milly, and get back together.
don't want to delve into your relationships but this has been bugging me for a while

if this was a list of what has already happened and what you expect to happen then fine

but another way to read this is that there are implications that having a million dollars solves or overcomes whatever problems you had together

if it's the former rather than the latter then wish you all the best, if it's the latter then i'd suggest taking some more time alone to really think about what you want and what makes you happy before doing anything about trying to rekindle - make sure you're truly at a place where you're now used to, comfortable, and accepting of the fact you are single before you try to change that situation imo

glgl on the next stream, last one was not ideal but there are much worse punts out there and most of us itt have made that same mistake as well, use that lesson to sharpen your knives for the next time
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12-28-2021 , 12:11 PM
In the grand scheme of things 13k isn't **** to you, hero. Don't let one hand, or one mistake, change your outlook.

Take some time off to enjoy life for a bit.
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12-28-2021 , 03:39 PM
Just go to Winstar

Dallas Oklahoma border


You LL thank me
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12-28-2021 , 04:55 PM
Appreciate the posts guys. Sometimes I can’t respond to everything but try. Appreciate u guys and see u guys. @marknfw @bahah @spy @simple @gator @hello @tsw @doughboy @forbroke @kevin @masta @rickroll @bart999 and others. All u guys brings something different to the table and as a whole we hv a gd team here.
Keep grinding dudes. We don’t gv up. We go for “it”.
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We may try some flip sells on some duplicates in 2022.

Now we concentrate on the 2022 goals. We will do a re-post of that goal in a couple of days.
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12-28-2021 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Trying my best to get in a healthy mindset and shake these negative thoughts. Failures over wins always wanna boggle my mind. Doing my best to rectify the mood, and figured only way possible is to keep showing up.

back in the fire.
Jan 22nd round 2. LodgeLive.

What is your plan for round 2? Are you planning on bringing multiple bullets? How much u buying in for?
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12-28-2021 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
What is your plan for round 2? Are you planning on bringing multiple bullets? How much u buying in for?

20k, and gonna try to juice the game up higher.
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12-28-2021 , 08:13 PM
Is that sports card market still on fire?
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12-28-2021 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
20k, and gonna try to juice the game up higher.

Nice to see you bringing the juicer instead of getting milked again.
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12-29-2021 , 03:09 AM
I just can't wrap my head around the min raise pre.... I'm sorry im not trying to pile on but that is soo ****ing aids I just don't understand how anyone could ever make that mistake and possibly be a winning player. I'm sorry I know that sounds harsh but Jesus christ he clicked it from 50 to 100 ...what on earth
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12-29-2021 , 03:13 AM
I'm just trying to help.... I'm sorry... I had some faith in this thread but I just got caught up to this point and that blew my mind. Was that just a misclick? Were you scared playing those stakes? You seriously have to address that for your own sake... that's an unforgivable mistake. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I know I'm gonna get **** from your supporters but I play 10-10 ever time it runs at parx and there is just absolutely no way any solid reg would ever do that under any circumstances... I'm sorry.. I'm done
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12-29-2021 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Starks Pizzeria
I'm just trying to help.... I'm sorry... I had some faith in this thread but I just got caught up to this point and that blew my mind. Was that just a misclick? Were you scared playing those stakes? You seriously have to address that for your own sake... that's an unforgivable mistake. I'm sorry to be so harsh and I know I'm gonna get **** from your supporters but I play 10-10 ever time it runs at parx and there is just absolutely no way any solid reg would ever do that under any circumstances... I'm sorry.. I'm done
Hey idiot have you played down at the boat? Didn't think so. Shut your whore mouth.
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12-29-2021 , 08:05 AM
On the Meet Kevin YouTube channel he talks about SAND when he talks about the metaverse but never MANA.

Rayz what do you think about SAND?
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12-29-2021 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by D0UGHBOY
Hey idiot have you played down at the boat? Didn't think so. Shut your whore mouth.
+1
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12-29-2021 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Starks Pizzeria
I just can't wrap my head around the min raise pre.... I'm sorry im not trying to pile on but that is soo ****ing aids I just don't understand how anyone could ever make that mistake and possibly be a winning player. I'm sorry I know that sounds harsh but Jesus christ he clicked it from 50 to 100 ...what on earth

Hey @starkspizzeria I’m gd w your post. Also there is 18 wheeler pizza supplier truck right outside in the streets. That’s weird.
The sim is always working


Wanted to click it up higher trying to reduce the # of players to seeing a flop. Pockets 10s is vulnerable to begin w and more player post makes it even worse.
Didn’t love it, and didn’t wanna go to big either respecting the utg open, so we min’d it up. It’s legal right? lol

The moral of the story here is, if u wanna open a pizza establishment; then call that number and get ur crust, sauce n shitz. I get this pizza across the street from my apt, restaurants called 812 Pizza. It’s not too bad 8/10.
Tweak it how u may.
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12-29-2021 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry

Wanted to click it up higher trying to reduce the # of players to seeing a flop. Pockets 10s is vulnerable to begin w and more player post makes it even worse.
Didn’t love it, and didn’t wanna go to big either respecting the utg open, so we min’d it up. It’s legal right? lol
Legal...yup
Terrible...yup
FPS...yup
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12-29-2021 , 11:58 AM
As, I said before, BS' strength was table selection. Now that he's thrown that out the window, this could get painful.
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12-29-2021 , 12:20 PM
Is the min raise GTO? No
Is the min raise something big baller pizza boy would do? Clearly not

I don't really know the best path with 1010 in that spot with UTG raise. UTG is a good thinking player so we have to respect the raise.

Before you crucify Rayz for the min raise, let's think for a second how this bet was/should have been perceived from the other players at the table.

Questions to ponder:

1. Did they even notice? I'm not so sure all were paying attention enough to realize what happened.
2. Did UTG notice? Absolutely
3. What did Mr. Giant Scarf think of the raise and re-raise in front with his AK? I personally don't think he thought anything of it at all. I think he was jerking himself off with the AK he didn't notice anything else around him even going on.
4. Does the min raise may RR hand exploitable? If so, why?
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12-29-2021 , 02:55 PM
larger raise >>>> call >> minraise > fold
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12-29-2021 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
I feel like u guys already made me a milly. I’ll try for more. Thanks to “the roommates”, life’s a free roll.

So far @simple wants 11 matches of $200
@spy wants bigger stakes so ill gv him 11 $500s
@triggerty still trying for hu cash and I still respectfully decline.

I’ll go in without studying and no warms up. Shd b an easy lay up for u guys.

It kind of feels u guys getting me sidetracked, but we can go w the flow if this is what u want.
Cool challenges. I am sure it will be challenging to play with these 2+2 poker wizards. Takes a lot of balls to play these grinders. Reading some of these blogs, its like Einstein talking about poker using solvers and percentages. Was wondering if you have played anyone yet and how it turned out. GL grinding.
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12-29-2021 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by trytodoitagain
Cool challenges. I am sure it will be challenging to play with these 2+2 poker wizards. Takes a lot of balls to play these grinders. Reading some of these blogs, its like Einstein talking about poker using solvers and percentages. Was wondering if you have played anyone yet and how it turned out. GL grinding.
I'm certainly no poker wizard. Never used a solver, though I probably should and will soon because I'm not good.
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