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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
397 12.73%
$22K TO $28K
456 14.62%
$28K TO $34K
506 16.22%
$34K TO $40K
530 16.99%
$40K TO $46K
298 9.55%
MORE THAN $46K
932 29.88%

12-18-2021 , 11:47 PM
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12-18-2021 , 11:47 PM
One bullet and done….
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12-18-2021 , 11:48 PM
Whaaaat the **** was that!
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12-18-2021 , 11:49 PM
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12-18-2021 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by skillz_2106
Whaaaat the **** was that!
he put him on exactly AK and didn't want to be bluffed again by the same guy. in the beginning of the stream he bluffed BvB with 52o vs RR 6d7d on A568x. he overbet river for $1.5k after betting both flop and turn then tabled his cards when RR folded. ego too big.



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Originally Posted by skillz_2106
KK raised, Rayz min reraise, AK cold call. KK 4b, c, c.
Rayz called down all three streets including 6.5k overbet river. AK called flop folded turn. Think it was 500 flop, 1.4 turn.
that commentator kept saying TheRayz has 2 million followers of this thread. views don't equal followers, dude...

Last edited by MastaAces; 12-19-2021 at 12:08 AM.
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12-18-2021 , 11:53 PM
Calling it off with a middle pair when the original raiser/4 bettor barrels OOP into 2 people twice and fires a third bullet OTR is going to have a lot of -EV associated with it
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12-18-2021 , 11:54 PM
KK raised, Rayz min reraise, AK cold call. KK 4b, c, c.
Rayz called down all three streets including 6.5k overbet river. AK called flop folded turn. Think it was 500 flop, 1.4 turn.
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12-18-2021 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Calling it off with a middle pair when the original raiser/4 bettor barrels OOP into 2 people twice and fires a third bullet OTR is going to have a lot of -EV associated with it

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12-18-2021 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MastaAces
he put him on exactly AK and didn't want to be bluffed again by the same guy. in the beginning of the stream he bluffed BvB with 52o vs RR 6d7d on A568x. he overbet river for $1.5k then tabled his cards when RR folded.



check/raised on turn, all-in for 6.5k on the river. what was the action pf and on the flop?

that commentator kept saying TheRayz has 2 million followers of this thread. views don't equal followers, dude...

There was no check raise

JC was +2, opened to 50
Ray 3! To 100
John called in HJ (I believe, regardless he was IP)

Flop JC leads, both called
Turn JC leads, Ray called, John folded
River JC leads, Ray tank called
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12-19-2021 , 12:00 AM
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There was no check raise

JC was +2, opened to 50
Ray 3! To 100
John called in HJ (I believe, regardless he was IP)

Flop JC leads, both called
Turn JC leads, Ray called, John folded
River JC leads, Ray tank called
aight, my bad. i was grinding myself and got a bit confused, thanks for clearing things up!

$19.1k pot. guess he wanted to be a hero on stream, but I'm looking forward to hearing RR discuss his thought process.
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12-19-2021 , 12:03 AM
jc 4! pre to 400

it was a loose call for sure but i think you're being a bit harsh, we've all made these calls
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12-19-2021 , 12:03 AM
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12-19-2021 , 12:28 AM
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jc 4! pre to 400

it was a loose call for sure but i think you're being a bit harsh, we've all made these calls
I did miss writing the 4! In my quick recap, but it was to $500, not $400


i disagree with it being a “loose call”, I think it is probably hardly ever a winning call.

if it’s heads up (or at least HU OTT), maybe AK/AQ barrel like this, but any person with half a brain is slowing down to some extent on the turn with AK/AQ when both players IP call. JC just barreled ahead without a care in the world. The only way that call OTR is good is if you think JC is just clicking buttons. I’ve never watched a stream with him and I was only half paying attention to this, but he seemed to have a clue about how to play.
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12-19-2021 , 02:02 AM
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I did miss writing the 4! In my quick recap, but it was to $500, not $400


i disagree with it being a “loose call”, I think it is probably hardly ever a winning call.

if it’s heads up (or at least HU OTT), maybe AK/AQ barrel like this, but any person with half a brain is slowing down to some extent on the turn with AK/AQ when both players IP call. JC just barreled ahead without a care in the world. The only way that call OTR is good is if you think JC is just clicking buttons. I’ve never watched a stream with him and I was only half paying attention to this, but he seemed to have a clue about how to play.
i agree, in fact i'd be folding pre here most of the time but once you've gone that far it's a tough mental decision to lay it down purely based off villain actions as in a vacuum that's a pretty decent board for him

but there are far greater mistakes to be made than ambitiously bluff catching and it feels kinda mean everyone just dunking on him for doing that
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12-19-2021 , 02:21 AM
Agree folks shouldn't be dunking, it's easy to judge seeing the cards and not being under the bright lights. Props to Rayz for having the guts to go on stream.

Fwiw, I think folks would be much less inclined to do that though if you were a bit more humble.
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12-19-2021 , 02:39 AM


the last hand.

bug occurs when embedding videos with timestamps apparently. here's the correct link if the above isn't lining up right.
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12-19-2021 , 03:05 AM
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it's a bug
it's a different format, you can't copy paste the time embed

instead of

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you should use

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12-19-2021 , 03:10 AM
Hopefully he got his buyin paid for wearing that patch.
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12-19-2021 , 03:53 AM
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if it’s heads up (or at least HU OTT), maybe AK/AQ barrel like this, but any person with half a brain is slowing down to some extent on the turn with AK/AQ when both players IP call. JC just barreled ahead without a care in the world. The only way that call OTR is good is if you think JC is just clicking buttons.
yeah and seat 2 looks like a huge whale/calling station which should make JC value heavy when he bets turn.

normally pre-flop would go 4-bet from AK, 5 bet KK then 10s can get away. Pretty unlucky for Ray that AK flatted.
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12-19-2021 , 08:17 AM
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Agree folks shouldn't be dunking, it's easy to judge seeing the cards and not being under the bright lights. Props to Rayz for having the guts to go on stream.

Fwiw, I think folks would be much less inclined to do that though if you were a bit more humble.
Hand starts @ about 1hr 42min mark for those looking.

Everyone haz butchered hands if you haven't, you haven't played enough poker. This one happens to be butchered every street except the flop as played. Especially within the context of this trip.

I've always used these stinging defeats to humble myself and as motivation to improve. Being good is never good enough. Getting coached as a pro is a thing, I've done it as do many others.

If it was me I would quickly switch gears from degening sports bets to getting better and coming back to crush some streams. Not to mention providing a revenue stream while waiting for lumens to do their thing if they do.

But that's just my 2c, I hate losing way more than most.
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12-19-2021 , 10:29 AM
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Agree folks shouldn't be dunking, it's easy to judge seeing the cards and not being under the bright lights. Props to Rayz for having the guts to go on stream.

Fwiw, I think folks would be much less inclined to do that though if you were a bit more humble.

This is it in a nutshell. Let’s not forget the history he has:

- He has continually argued with everyone about hands he played poorly with his thought process

- He refuses to think he needs to get better by studying

- He’s said has an edge at most games he would play in

- He rants about how Indiana poker is basically the epitome of poker difficulty

- He’s tried to pump steaks up on people who challenge him to where the opponent might feel uncomfortable.


And fwiw, I don’t think people are dunking on him. We’ve been talking about the hand, but it seems to be fairly constructive. In his situation, he can’t expect to go on a live stream and have hands discussed by the people in the thread.
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12-19-2021 , 10:44 AM
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In his situation, he can’t expect to go on a live stream and have hands discussed by the people in the thread.
I think you're missing a negation somewhere.
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12-19-2021 , 11:17 AM
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I think you're missing a negation somewhere.


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In his situation, he can’t expect to go on a live stream and not have hands discussed by the people in the thread.
Fixed
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12-19-2021 , 01:17 PM
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Hand starts @ about 1hr 42min mark for those looking.
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Everyone haz butchered hands if you haven't, you haven't played enough poker. This one happens to be butchered every street except the flop as played. Especially within the context of this trip.

I've always used these stinging defeats to humble myself and as motivation to improve. Being good is never good enough. Getting coached as a pro is a thing, I've done it as do many others.

If it was me I would quickly switch gears from degening sports bets to getting better and coming back to crush some streams. Not to mention providing a revenue stream while waiting for lumens to do their thing if they do.

But that's just my 2c, I hate losing way more than most.
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This is it in a nutshell. Let’s not forget the history he has:

Spoiler:
- He has continually argued with everyone about hands he played poorly with his thought process

- He refuses to think he needs to get better by studying

- He’s said has an edge at most games he would play in

- He rants about how Indiana poker is basically the epitome of poker difficulty

- He’s tried to pump steaks up on people who challenge him to where the opponent might feel uncomfortable.


And fwiw, I don’t think people are dunking on him. We’ve been talking about the hand, but it seems to be fairly constructive. In his situation, he can’t expect to go on a live stream and have hands discussed by the people in the thread.
great posts!
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12-19-2021 , 02:36 PM
I think his unwarranted arrogance regarding his own skill level is his biggest leak and downfall.

He wears "not studying" as a badge of honor implying his natural brain power and talent alone is enough to beat any game.

It remains to be seen after this if it changes his stance on putting effort into improving.

If he chalks it up to simply bad luck and goes back to his schtick of "I've been a pro for 20yrs, Indiana game is always full of allstars and I crush them, bring on anyone any stakes." Well he's likely to have some more bad luck when he goes to play 50/100.

That JC guy owned his soul twice in a matter of an hour. And he wants to battle with Garrett thinking he's close to the same level.

That turn bet with QQ was pretty bad too as well as open limping 33 in EP.

Hopefully he uses this opportunity to identify some weaknesses and plug his leaks, but based on history I guess we won't hold our breath.
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