I'd rephrase that more strongly, if he showed you privately and mucked, you are obliged keep silent.

Once hands are tabled, best hand must win the pot.

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yeah correct

Of course speaking up when a hand isn't live (tabled) is a def no no!

I can't stand anyone talking about a hand or looking at someone's hand saying u got a flush etc before a pot has been declared to the winner. That shdnt b tolerated at all.

In the case of last night, it's different and both hands already tabled, and dealer pushing the pot to wrong person.

I put up a 24hr Twitter poll on this topic.
And the results after 33 votes were 70/30 for speaking up.

Does this mean it's the right play? I'm still not sure. Unless it stated in the rules, I still feel players have the choice to speak up or not. Therefore, I believe it's matter of opinion, of what u think is the right by YOUR OWN GUIDELINES. Rules are rules, and if it's not in the rules; then u have choices. One can say u hv a morally responsibility to speak up, and others can say u should speak up when it benefits u, others can say never speak up over smone elses money, and others cd also say that I they wd speak up on situation X but wdnt on situation y, and so on and so on.

Poker is a game with many layers. There is always a game within the game goin on. Is this part of it, prob not. But, smone cd say, mayb so. Who knows?

The takeaway I derive from this is...it's on the player to take responsibility of their own hand, and it's on others to do what they want...speak up/or not. My belief, is no right or wrong answer since it's not stated in the rules.

Btw, I voted "not to speak up". On a different day though, it's possible I cd vote "to speak up". I'll still wait for others to stick their neck out before I try to get in the middle of something that doesn't have too much effect on me. Everyone is different. #beautifulworld

Thanks for the feedback.

If I was 100% sure the dealer made a mistake, I would say something. If I was not paying attention enough to be sure, I would stay quiet.

But I thought you said you didn't know if it is in the rules at HSI or not...it certainly is a rule in a lot of places and in Robert's Rules of Poker:

"Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help keep mistakes of this nature to a minimum." (Section 3, The Showdown, Rule 3).

It is absolutely the players' responsibility to ensure the integrity of the game.

A pretty good resource for poker rules is "Robert's rules of Poker". It can be found at:

http://www.pokercoach.us/robspkrrules4.htm

In the section titled "The Showdown", Rule 3 states:
"Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help us keep mistakes of this nature to a minimum."

I would say this rule is very common in cardrooms. Like you said yourself, it is there to keep the integrity of the game.

If I knew it was a rule at HSI I wd hv spoke up

Just got done playing tennis on this beautiful 60d sunny day, and realize my body is not what it used to be. I'm beat like a drum right now.
I came home to an empty house and wondering where the fam was. After a text, she's at the store with the bulleyes logo.
Yep, that one. Very popular on Sundays too.

I decide to step outside for some "meditation", and just got back in with 3 things that came to my mind.

1). The full moon outside is very sharp, w a vivid glow...just way too perfect. It still is daylight too. Something fishy is gonna happen...be on alert.

2). So happy w the 6 or 7 day win streak i currently have. I think its 7, but dont want to grab my iphone to look.
This feels really gd after a red/black yoyo start to the year. I remember the first big plunge in the red this year and my biggest loss of 2016. It was a $2,050 loss sesh on Jan 8th, and to climb out of the hole with a decent hourly now feels great.

3). Not sure if i like who i been lately. It's a fine line of...not sure if i want to embrace this thing going on right now, or detach from it. I'll pray on it.


One thing i do know is around this time on Sunday evenings is that i start to actually look forward to do work tomorrow. Some people hate Sunday nights because they start another long work week tomorrow, but I love to get back to my passion.
Also love having the weekends off because it rejuvenates my hunger to crush. My plan is to have successful week ending w another succussful month. It's all about booking winning months for me. month to month.

I often remind myself to think month to month, month to month, month to month, and continue to stick w the game plan.
The game plan, You know...Practice BRM, keep stats and stay accountable, DON'T EVER TILT, having life balance. Put in the work, keep the volume up, play every hand the best u can possibly play it, play with a fresh mind, play the games u r making the most money.
These r my guidelines that will end my years always in the positive.
Think poker results long term, and plan accordingly!

Been slowly planning this NO TALK MARCH Challenge w more preparations w my fam. I also typed out an explanation of the NTMchallenge that I will hv readily on me to hand to people that try to talk to me. These cards will explain why, which will eliminate a lot of confusion. Yesterday I bought a small note pad that i can have on me just in case i need it. Such as: for the cashier when i get my chips, for the floor when i sign up for poker lists, and other times that will come up throughout the day.
...preparing myself for this challenge.

Btw, many people think I'm crazy, but if it's something I really want to try, it doesn't matter to me what people think. I'm my own bird.

Going to be hard in march :P
Nice blog i like the no talk idea tho, you arent that crazy

Thanks @Mepslol.

Today the 7 day win streak ended. -$168. 4hrs 49mins
It must hv been the shades I was wearing while playing .
Thought I wd wear them today to try b more incognito or not bothered. It may hv just drove more attention my way.
I'm trying to get used to wearing because I think sunglasses might b the play for "No Talk March". I feel less people will try to interact w me if I hv shades on and earbuds in. * I will prob leave one earbud out to listen for live game tells.

Back at it tomorrow.

Ill ne there tomorrow,tuesday. Hopefully we can get a good fame if a nunch of people are gonna be there. I have had trouble the last few days even gettinf a 1/2/5 going and the 1/2 games were bogus both saturday and sunday between noon and around 6 pm. I prefer to play 2/5/10 and the 1/2 has grown rather boring unless its a good game where everyone fmdoesnt just have 3 to 400 in front.

Forest Gump took a quick rest yesterday w a small loss, but broke out of his leg braces today like he was getting chased by the bullies.
+$1,130 playing 1/2nl on 5hrs 34mins.
My first 4 digit score since Vegas.

If it wasn't me scooping a pot, then it was either @raidersfan or @liveaction scooping it. Both were on the table and crushing as well. @liveaction left when I did w around $1k profit too. Gd job buddy! @Radiersfan was up big when We exited and I'm sure ended w a gd score.

These kind of sessions feels so gd, and even better when your buddies r killing it too! I can't get too high on my emotions though because i know all too well tomorrow cd b a different story. #evenkeel

Furthermore, how does everyone in the room know about "NTM"? Word travels fast.

Gonna try to get a lame one loaded up sometime tonight. #sorry

I left with around 975. Cashed in for 3. Unfortunately the table.died when you left and try as i might i was not able to find another worthwhile table so i left as well after about 5.t hours. Im thinking about playing in the rocket man tournament this weekend. I know the cash games will be excellent friday and saturday eveninf so im debating on ehat to do. I akready have 3 rooms comped this weekend ready to grind super hard all weekend and try to stack up

I wanna play 5 10 all weekend but if i can swing 5 10 and the 25k guaranteed tournament then i will probly do it.

^nice work @rfan.

I may pass on the Rocket Man, but who knows. I'm trying to keep my streak of not playing any tourneys so far this year. Rocket Man is gd value, and wish u the best.
I'll prolly just grind cash, but I'll decide Friday.

Ray u should come up to Chicago for the chicago poker classic. There will be a ton of action in the room with prolly a few 5 10s going and maybe higher.

yeah i hv been wanting to get up north. Depending on when it is, I might actually do that.
best of luck to u buddy

Vlog without warning.

Warning: here is an extremely lame one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGT4PzVRGIg

Yeah im not decided yet on the tournaments. Im goinf out ti play the world series so i wanna practice my tournament skills in the next few months.

I hear ya @raidersfan. It will b a tough field, but you're a great player. I believe in ya.


I looked down at AJ in the 1/2/5nl game, and open to $20 in mp. Things already haven't being going gd for me, I now I get the old limp/raise to $47. Aipf by the short stack. AA>AJ.
It was then, I knew that this -$800 red is a harsh reality for today's session.
The big b 4digit score yesterday was starting to vanish rapidly. #humbling.
Now after bleeding off another $47, I am clearly aware of the challenge to can climb out of this. The only thing I'm am thinking is, when shd I plan my departure. ??? Before I exited though, my goal was to manage my losses and try to get it down to -$400ish.

Thanks i won a seat to the 2k tournament

You play for a living/consider yourself a pokerpro>yet you didn't speak up when you clearly saw AK vs 99 get shipped to the wrong player. 0 Ethics. Sounds like you would be better off playing in underground games where there are 53 cards in the deck!


"WSOP RULES" : Anyone involved with the game – including dealers, players, or those involved in administration – who notices any errors in the funds of the pot or awarding of the pot is ethically bound to report the error.

A www poor baby !! Did he hurt your moral/ethic feelings with this one ?

He kept shut about it cause it got sent to the right person. All pros would do the same.

The whole underground game with 53 cards was a pretty ******ed statement.

I respect what u r saying, and also know I'm in the minority with my decision making not to speak up.
I hv a my own set of "moral obligations as to why I didn't speak up."
To tell u the truth tho, I'm not sure if I cd b always consistent on this. Meaning, sometimes I may and sometimes I may not speak up in these situations. I will say, I hv never once spoke up in these circumstances, and always waited for others to do so first.
It's all situational whether I wd even think about taking the iniative to speak up, and based on many factors...my mood, players involved, etc. *That will prob piss people off too, knowing I wd do X one day and Y on another day, but I'm just being truthful. Majority of the times I will side w NOT getting involved with people's money when it has nothing to do w me. Like I said, I hv never done otherwise in these spots.

*My ethics are not to mess w people's money... just like I wdnt want them messing w mine.
Old school rule of thumb: never fuq w people's money.

Robert's Rules also states the same... "Any player, dealer, or floorperson who sees an incorrect amount of chips put into the pot, or an error about to be made in awarding a pot, has an ethical obligation to point out the error. Please help us keep mistakes of this nature to a minimum."

The common word in both WSOP and Rob Rules is ethics, or a moral responsibility.

Because I'm old school, my moral responsibility IS not messing with one's money when it doesn't involve me. I feel my own ethics trumps the ethics/moral responsibility to speak up. This here can b debated until the cows come how, but I am giving u my moral responsibility as to why I didn't. #ethics

So now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I wd speak up even if I did know it was in HSI rules.
My moral principals or guiding philosophy aka "ethics" is my trump card.

To each their own.

It's the players fault. He is the one that let the dealer ship his pot to the wrong person.

Wow. That is drivel.