So he just happened to be talking to another player not in the house and decided that to get max value out of his gutshot he just hit the best play was to minraise his friend. Why do I find it hard to believe that someone playing 200nl living with 4 other regs thinks its a good play. Maybe its because he actually says "minraise is obv bad" right after he says he should have shared his hole cards.


If it looks like a horse, smells like a horse, and walks like a horse....its probably not a kangaroo

Complete bogus “explanation”. Yeah, no ****, this looks really bad.

...and this has to do with skuz how?

The implications of this should be fairly obvious and surely don’t need to be explained to someone who’s been accused of cheating by multiple people and probably is/has been involved in all sorts of shady practices.

oh yeh, the implications are that Skuz is now a cheater and floor 24 is just a front for a collusion rink , wow well done bro you outed them

I've been playing with/vs skuzz on the pb app for a few months now. All i can say is from what I see he acts like a gentleman at the tables 100% of the time.

I have not seen him doing any **** like sq guys out of pots or any other nonsense. He also pretty much stays at whatever tables he is at and is not trying to hop seats or do any other predatory ****

Iam not a fan of a bunch of guys in a house playing on these apps but I actually think skuzz is a stand up dude and feel comfortable with him at my tables.

I don't know skuzz and i'm just giving my honest opinion. If I were forced to bet id bet skuzz is a straight shooter.


Idk anything about his roommates or whatever. All I can comment on is how I've seens skuzz act at the tables.


I have seen guys doing things that I suspected was collusion. Multiple times actually.

His mate was basically saying: “I made a mistake, I should’ve cheated better.” This is happening under OPs nose and yes, the implications are indeed that he condones cheating or could be cheating as well, to assume otherwise would be naive.

bro

it certainly doesn't look great

I think the rest of the house involved themselves when as a group they decided to delete the video because of how damaging it would be.

Looks very sketchy. Even if Skuzz wasn't involved, hard to believe he wasn't aware.

Open to being totally wrong here. Apologies if I am mistaking this for something innocent.

Toward the end of the video (around 10-11s remaining), after guy A says he should have tried to collude, guy B in background making something at the counter quickly looks up and points between guy A and Skuz, almost as if he's trying to hint that Skuz is streaming, and that guy A should be quiet.

Also reacted to that, especially given the sudden hesitation in the voice of the person talking after the guy in the background points to him and then skuz -> person on the phone stops talking

I actually think he was pointing at the drink/food he was making/offering it to the other guy. I wouldn't look in to that too much.

That being said, Skuz, you wouldn't be the first person stuck between a rock and a hard place like this. I've also had to criticise friends for soft playing. It's not fun and you feel bad but it's the right thing and you really shouldn't try to just excuse it away.

It is clear by that HH that they are, at the very least softplaying each other if not actively colluding. It's clear as day and no serious poker player would claim otherwise while looking at that min raise.

As for some of the other stuff, some of you guys 100% play the same sites/stakes. some dude was streaming 200z the other day on bodog. Also are you saying that if you improve that you are not going to play 500z because scotty plays there? FWIW I'm not against playing in the same games but the integrity issue is about collusion, not playing same sites etc.

In regards to the reason for removing the Vod I laughed when a friend sent me this clip. Obviously you can understand why people are questioning the Vod.



Finally, I don't really know you lot very well but I think you and scotty seem really nice guys. I'm not hating on with my post, I think you're unfortunate to have been the guy streaming while your mates were being thick as **** in the background. the heat isn't/shouldn't be on you and I wouldn't bother going down with the ship defending them. They clearly did something wrong, it's far better to agree to that than semi defend it. I don't know what that means for your grindhouse/stream but i think the flack that will follow will only intensify if you try to play it off. Anyway good luck.

Hey I’m the person speaking in the clip. I really don't want to derail Ricky's thread but I know it's important for people know what happened. I’ve tried to be super transparent, I got permission to take the clip down from the clipper before I did it. I shared the actual hand history knowing full well its very mong. If people want to ask questions or have a look at my database pm me and I’ll share everything.

You asked me if I would take the clip down and I said I'm not going to because I believe I know what I heard. I followed up by saying that you guys can take it down if you want because I already had it saved and was debating what to do with it because I didn't want to throw skuz under this fire.

Skuz is a gentleman and a crusher. He is 100x the poker player that I'll ever be.

There's no way he would get involved with anything like this. He can destroy the games easily by himself, so why would he ever put his integrity on the line?

And the voice of stupidity has arrived...

Besides the incident in this thread, my assumption going into these games was that this kind of behavior was absolutely expected? - and that the question worth wrestling with was whether or not it was still worth it to take a seat?

What happened?

u guys are making some serious accusations, especially when the vid only discusses the potential/possibility for collusion in a spot. it's not a good look obviously but stop making it out to be a huge deal when it's not.

also fwiw pre sure living together makes colluding harder not easier so stop pushing forward that angle

Nah cash game collusion is not to be expected, is 100% cheating and will result on your funds being confiscated.

This is why it's a pretty serious allegation, and why we should be hesitant to lynch the wrong person.

You feelin the river minraise here then? How about any reg who thinks minraising river here is totally standard and in no way adds to suspicion please come forward

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor?

Maybe you bellieve it was a joke? Explain the minraise then....maybe you believe he just didnt know that minraise is bad...oh he said it was bad.....maybe he was joking and then misclicked in a spot where he happened to have the nuts...

Or its softplaying/collusion

Yeah exactly this. The fact that there are both GPS & IP restrictions makes it very difficult to collude if you live together.

Like sure, you can use a VPN and have everyone using their own internet to get around the IP restrictions, but how on Earth would you get around the GPS restrictions? It's pretty much impossible.

So what is your explanation?

if he minraised with nothing yes i would be sus but he had the nuts. hand literally shows nothing

guy can just upload all hands from that sesh, prove no collusion and this whole thing will die