Good luck!

Might want to re-evaluate your BR Reqs. 65 BI is nowhere near enough for STT's. Also, get HEM, SNGWizard, learn to use PokerStove and get ready for sweet swings.

As a rec player, I'd recommend 100 buy-ins for STTs with a willingness to move down. 300+ as a "Pro" and even that would be on the light side IMO. Chance of going busto on 65 buy-ins is like greater than 50%...

Gl op.
Where do you get the number that 65buy ins you will go bust 50% of the time, this seems a little far fetched.

If you suck

If you have no experience in STTs its very possible for you to go on 100+ BI downswings. Even good players have ~200 BI downswings sometimes. The games are ridiculously hard these days and are only getting worse. I recommend learning cash if you haven't invested a lot of time trying to learn STTs.

Thanks Dude.

Really? At $1 level?

I have HEM, and also Pokerstove (need to research how to get the best out of this). SNG wizard is also something I've heard everyone talk about but never seen it in action.

Thanks for your advice means a lot.

Thankyou.

I'd also like to know this. But really do appreciate anybody's comments regarding my bankroll management.

Only time will tell.



To be honest with you I have played cash and when i was at the peak of my poker addiction, and I lost a lot. I honestly think that tournament poker is where i can knuckle down and get the basics of poker down again. Hopefully I can be sucessful at cash someday soon though. I'm ready to take this all in my stride, I'm fully aware swings are part of the game. Thanks for your comments also.

Don't really feel like breaking down all the math to it, but simply put, you are paying 20% rake to play a game that is highly likely to be unbeatable for 25% ROI (15% ROI after rake in a typical 10% rake level). That would put you at 5% ROI in the $1.20 games (maybe 10% if you crush and the players are as bad as I'd expect.

Check out a risk of ruin calculator for STT's in which you cash ~38% of the time, earn 5% long term ROI and you will see your risk of ruin with 65 buy-ins is EXTREMELY high.

I'd recommend grinding out 2NL or something until you have 100 buy-ins for $2 or $3 STTs where the rake is greatly lowered.

I fully appreciate where your coming from, and thanks for giving me some advice. Rake will be a bitch I know that.

I'm going to put my all into It study wise before I get there. However I need to get there first playing these DoN's.

The reason I've started with STT's is that I feel I can apply myself harder. I've lost a heap over the years playing cash. Having said that I will turn my hand to cash again one day.

BAEVentures It would be great If you could rail now and if/when I start the $1+$0.20 STT's to offer some constructive criticism.

Thank you.

Stars have added the 50/50 tourneys at the $1.08 level. I'll probably play these as It's saving on rake, albeit a pony amount. But I cannot see the difference between DoN's or 50/50's anyone??

I just played a set of two and lost them both. I will never moan about bad beats as I know they are a part of the game. NH move on and all that jazz. However I've posted the hands below because I'd like constructive criticism on both, because my confidence on my return to poker isnt great to be honest.

Hand 1:

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.08 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 10 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

MP3: t1430 47.67 BBs
CO: t1485 49.50 BBs
BTN: t1455 48.50 BBs
SB: t1470 49 BBs
Hero (BB): t1615 53.83 BBs
UTG: t1470 49 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+2: t1500 50 BBs
MP1: t1500 50 BBs
MP2: t1575 52.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with A K
UTG calls t30, 7 folds, SB calls t15, Hero raises to t120, UTG calls t90, 1 fold

Flop: (t270) 3 A 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t150, Hero raises to t420, UTG calls t270

Turn: (t1110) J (2 players)
Hero bets t750, UTG raises to t930 all in, Hero calls t180

River: (t2970) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)


Hand 2:

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.08 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t2320 M = 10.09
SB: t970 M = 4.22
BB: t4260 M = 18.52
UTG: t1415 M = 6.15
UTG+1: t1390 M = 6.04
MP1: t1450 M = 6.30
MP2: t1700 M = 7.39
Hero (CO): t1495 M = 6.50

Pre Flop: (t230) Hero is CO with Q Q
2 folds, MP1 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t350, 3 folds, MP1 calls t250

Flop: (t930) 8 T 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t730, MP1 calls t730

Turn: (t2390) 5 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t405 all in, MP1 calls t360 all in

River: (t3110) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)



Thanks.

Hey good luck with your challenge!

I'm currently grinding the STTs from $50 up to $1000, and I was using a 50BI strategy. I can imagine 100 is good if you're just starting out learning STTs. I don't see anything wrong with trying the 65BI.

I was beating the 1.20's at 17.5% ROI over a small sample, but was enough to jump to the 3.40's. The rake is terrible at these, but so are the players. Learn push/fold theory inside out, I use it when I'm below 10M (15bb), this really bumps quite a few % to your ROI.

Good luck with your challenge I'm rooting for you! Maybe I'll see you at my levels soon

Thanks mate. It means a lot. Would appreciate you subscribing to the thread and railing. Would be nice to network with others with experience and intrest.

As for the brm, I wanted to set an achievable target. If I get to 100 BI end of feb that would be great. I guess I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Yeah push fold theory. Do u have any idea where I should start? Do you actually use m ratio in stt then?

Cheers again, hope so too!

Learn ICM calculations, and get SNGWiz (even for the free trial to analyze some of your late games, and the quiz mode). And I use a push/fold chart personally, with estimated ranges. Eventually you get a feel for what's good and what's not.

I use M value... most people don't for STTs. So you can take that as you will. I have this thread in my favorites and will check back!

I think if you're playing for a living and intending to play thousands upon thousands of these, then 100BI would be good. I think 50 is enough if you're a winning player and know what you're doing. I've had some nutty variance in some cases, but I bet it's nothing compared to what COULD happen.

I think your variance is much higher if you're doing the STT turbos.

I will do man deffo. And will be on the look out for push/fold charts.

Appreciate you railing dude. You never know what can happen, first stop is to study and absolutely murder the micros.

Just thought I'd provide an update on how I'm doing. I've literally only played the $1.08 Fifty50 tourneys instead of the $1.10 DoN's. For some weird reason they are softer, extremely softer. Dont know whether it because they are new and donks are giving them a quick blast, also because of the payout structure of these after the bubble players are doing the most ridic things to accumulate chips. I'm not complaining.


I've only played for 4.1 hours because of work and other stuff. If I can step the volume up a bit and variance stays on my side, My $70-$100 bankroll will be achieved in no time.

Congrats on the great start! I'm doing a similar Challenge/Goal (Climbing the STT Ladder) except it's with turbos and I'm starting at the $1.75's with $105, so I'm taking a shot with a bit less than 65 BI's so you're not alone in that regard. GL bro, subscribed.

GL man. I always like to see small stakes players put forth the effort to move up the ladder.

GL

My advice, when you get to your desired BR to play $1.20s, seriously consider the $1.40 knockouts. The rake is 25% lower, and knockout bonuses can add up. If you win, you're guaranteed $5 (4.50 + your .25 back + 2nd place's .25). Just something to think about. This is the route I've taken, and I have pushed my BR from $10 to $110 in two weeks (made Mercury HO leaderboard too).

Hope it continues. good luck with yours, please stick around then! be great to share experiances and learn new stuff from fellow grinders. Thanks for subscribing.

Dude that means a lot, And spurs me on to want it more.

Thanks. Hope fully its not that long till i get to my desired bankroll, of which im kinda unsure of now. Will definatley be exploring all avenues. Rail, stick around.

Good luck dude

Thankyou.

How is this challenge coming along? Kind of curious!

Same, was a good little read.