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Originally Posted by tnotmotnotgwcrf
So I guess I should have waited for an upswing before asking my question is that it?
Anyway if you got the point of what I was saying you would be capable of seeing that there is nothing evil in my post. What I meant is it's just plain pointless looking at EV (as far as I understand the mistakes in HM1). sippin_criss might be seeking comfort that he is 200 buyins below EV but he might as well (if EV was correct) be -400 buyins below EV. If EV is flawed (as the program developers say it is) it should just be overlooked as it should have like zero value.
It would be about the same thing like seeking comfort in me saying in this thread "you are 200 buyins -EV", which of course I have no way of knowing. In reality you might be 200 buyins +ev (running hot even though you are so much -net winnings for the year) or you might be -400 buyins under EV (so running alot worse that EV HM1 suggests).
Anyway to summarize my point was to get information why a good player like sippin is watching over this useless (in my opinion so far) stats not to troll him in anyway. He has proven to be a good regular at midstakes+ games. Making SNE while at least braking even (as far as I can remember, i wasn't paying much attention to this thread last year, this will now change as I have subscribed) last year is something very few regs can do at 6max hypers so he has got my respect. Furthermore he seems like a very nice guy so my intention was very far from what you were suggesting.
tnot, from what I have seen and read the red line tends to have worse results than the actual EV sometimes up to 30%, but again from what I've seen from multiple people who have compared DB's in multiple softwares the actual #s are never far off, and obviously it's to be taken with a grain of salt. End of the day it's the money that matters and the only real purpose the redline serves is either a slight comfort when it looks good and results are bad, or to make you feel like **** when both are bad. I didn't take it as you were trying to troll me or anything.
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
I doubt it's off by the magnitude your examples suggest. On the samples involved, I doubt the "errors" are more significant than the inherent variance of the red line. Obviously putting much stock in limited samples is dubious, but I don't see sippin really doing that.
GL OP!
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Originally Posted by LTT777
This. Being marginally off and being useless are two different things. Further, Sippin knows very well that putting substantial stock in what the red line says for number of games less than what would be considered a legitimate sample is leaving out portions of the whole story. But grinding variance roller coaster games is hard on the mind. Very hard even. And if a little redline love can help him feel a little better about it (thats all it can do, because he isn't putting much stock in it to begin with, so just a little better) then it is fine.
Plus, considering HM2 is just a big old bag of dicks disguised as poker tracking software, I think most are happy to take that marginal error in redline in exchange for the comfort of HM1
After spending multiple hours attempting to configure HM2, I don't think I've seen (or will see) a better description than that.
I think lots of poker players myself included spend way too much time poring over useless details, looking at graphs and redlines, if I play x hours at x stake at x roi I'll have x in the bank and I can x. **** it all!! Just grind and work your ass off on your game, everything else is a distraction vortex.