I've been lurking for awhile and have noticed a lot of people doing '2nl --> highsteaks XD' posts.. and seen approximately 0 people pass even 10nl

So I decided to show these people how it's done.
I have never beaten any stake over a meaningful sample. However I have always believed that with the right amount of work there is nothing that a person cannot do. I'm going to apply that theory to this challenge.

I have deposited $50 to my pokerstars account and will be moving from 2nlz and onwards using aggressive but not insane brm (so ~30-50BI).

For now I have only two concrete goals:

• move to 5nlz within 4 months
• be beating stakes >= 25nlz within the next 400k hands

as well as the more loose goals of putting in a ****load of study-volume and a sufficient amount of actual-volume..

vamo

Title was promising mate but I gotta say the "5nlz within 4 months" was a bit of a let down lol. How many hours do you plan on playing?

I asked to be in the head-seat to set up a mountain of myself.
The time it takes to get from 2nl to 5nl is not important.

For this challenge what matters is how long it takes for me to get to 50nlz.
In the bird's eye, to highstakes.

I will play as much as I feel appropriate.

Relevant to how I view the approach of others to learning the game:

Ok that's all great but some real life numbers would still be nice, it is a poker forum after all. Like what do you consider to be a "****load of study volume" and "sufficient playing volume"? It's just all a bit vague for someone looking to show 100% of aspiring players "how it's done".

****-tier banter, 0% creativity and lied about the OP

focusing on exact number of hours studied/played or the exact study: play ratio doesn't make much sense. What does matter is the general way in which you approach the situation.
To give a couple of examples:

1. I'm very new to the game therefore I shold spend a lot more time studying than playing (exponential metacognitive effect)
2. I want to get pretty good very quickly therefore I should devote a lot of time to getting better (also exponential metacognitive effect)

If someone wants to learn from a thread like mine it makes little sense that they should care about whether I spend 4 hours a day studying or 9 or 9.35654. What matters is that I'm spending a shitload of time studying.

I will continue to explain my ideas as I post updates.


My first 5k hands:


At this point I don't care too much about my immediate results and am instead focusing on improving my overall game. However, I am happy that I didn't lose money - don't want to be tending towards busto

Hand I played just now
time to sleep, have to go to school in 7 hours

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand History Converter

BTN: $1.87
SB: $2.01
BB: $2.98
Hero (UTG): $5.32
MP: $2.02
CO: $1.93

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $0.06, 4 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) J A 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.33) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

River: ($0.83) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.63, BB raises to $1.62, Hero raises to $4.91 all in, BB calls $0.95 all in

They were genuine questions and genuine quotes. It wasn't supposed to be banter, it's obviously just your ego that makes you see it like that. I'll be unfollowing after that last post anyways so all the best with your goals mate. Cockiness and arrogance don't make for a good read...

Well if you weren't lying then you simply misinterpreted my post. The funny thing is that I interpret your response to my posts as being due to your ego. Thanks for the good luck, and I wish the same to you. Enjoying your thread.

Also, just to be clear, they are not and were not genuine quotes.

Hey guys I just wanted to post this as a quick strat check up - this is the standard line with pocketed queens right?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.00
SB: $3.40
BB: $2.04
UTG: $2.32
MP: $4.61
Hero (CO): $2.47

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.16, 1 fold, BB calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.49) A 2 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, BB folds

Turn: ($0.53) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.29, Hero calls $0.29

River: ($1.11) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.53 all in, Hero calls $1.53

Ok, I said I wouldn't but I will. First off, if you've been following my thread, then you'll know that my ego manifests as insecurities and self doubt, not arrogance and certainly not malice towards others. If you look at my posting history you'll see that 99% of it is positive or encouraging. The 1% that isn't is usually in response to cockiness or rudeness. Your initial post was both of those things:

That's rude and arrogant, especially when you then go on to say you've never beaten any stake before yourself. I've personally seen a minimum of 50 challenges starting at 2nl make it to at LEAST 10nl, so you're either lying or you haven't spent much time on the forums. Either way, you insulted everyone that's done so or is aspiring to do so.

Just to be clear:

Apologies, I missed out a hyphen and the word amount, as well as writing playing volume instead of actual-volume. I would've taken the time to be more accurate if I'd have known you were going to be so pedantic.

Also, I'm not sure if you was joking or not but that's certainly not a standard line to take with QQ's. We should never be 8x'ing pre (unless one of the players left to act is the hugest whale you've ever seen - and even then...) and should never be min betting flop (unless you know villain is likely to spazz out vs a min bet (and even then...). Make it ~3x pre and check flop. Playing turn and river the same if you think villain is capable of bluffing. If he seems on the tighter side we should be folding

Sorry mate, I mildly misread your post. Your quotes were correct. For the record this thread is just meant to show the people who post failed microstakes 'moving up the ladder' type PGCs. Yes it's probably mildly rude but people obviously have the choice of not following if that upsets them. A choice most people have obviously opted for, albeit most likely for other reasons.

I plan on mostly updating at 5k-hand intervals. Since I don't want to unnecessarily clutter my thread I'll post my second graph a little early:



PSA:
Don't take this thread too seriously
I'm just here to run it up and have some fun
Obviously you shouldn't care if I call you ****, I haven't even beaten 2nl over a real sample yet, and for all you know I'm as dumb as a brick
My hope of course is that I do have success and anyone who wants to (and isn't way better than me) can learn from it



Conclusion: happy with results so far, and happy with how my study is going. Just letting the combos flow through me atm. Seems to me like you can't get much done in poker unless you have a solid framework for putting players on ranges, and I'm trying to do that through combos - you can't pre-inspect every spot of course, and that's where skill truly seems to become relevant. I'm still terribad but luckily 99.5% of everyone else at 2nlz is too. And I seem to be improving quickly.

'Seem seem seem', flawz, you've made me doubt my writing. I do hope someone other than me enjoys this thread, although I am primarily doing this for myself.

Nice post, you've redeemed yourself in my eyes. Not that my opinion matters of course. Fwiw I think you write well but intent can easily get lost in translation. I read it as cockiness but your last post helps to clear a few things up. Your approach to the game will take you far if you keep applying yourself. The fact you even know what a range is puts you ahead of most of the field up to 10nl. I'm just about to start another session but I'll check out the hands later and try to help as best I can. Re-followed

I'm not really sure what's going on in this thread, but I'm subscribing.

I don't have many subscribers, but each and every one of them is top 1% 2p2er.



It's not everyday that you get 10bet-bluffed in 2nlz:

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.32
SB: $2.14
Hero (BB): $2.16
UTG: $1.62
MP: $2.92
CO: $3.56

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A K
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.14, BTN calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.29) 2 K 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.13, BTN raises to $0.26, Hero raises to $0.39, BTN raises to $0.52, Hero raises to $0.65, BTN raises to $0.78, Hero raises to $0.91, BTN raises to $1.04, Hero raises to $1.17, BTN raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $1.43, BTN calls $0.13

Turn: ($3.15) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.59 all in, BTN calls $0.59

River: ($4.33) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Hi mate, nice challenge and quite interested as I'm at same level trying the same as u do so I'll keep watching you and GL GL.

bdw, at the above hand, I would've just call his r-click on the flop so I can keep his bluffs in range and check/call on T and R (depending on the sizing). Not sure if I'm right but this is how I'd played .. a bit low variance. Even if I have info that he goes crazy with bluffs there I would've still just called his click and let him continue with all his bluffs.
Maybe will see an opinion from a more experienced player :P
[ now let me see the results ]
loool... TsJc.. now this was not expected but regardless, I still stand by what I've said.

Hey fellow Kiwi!

GL on the climb, i'm doing a similar start from micros back up after a few years away from poker. Hopefully see you @ 10nl/25nl soon.

I'm pretty sure that 10-bet/calling with JT on K62 is a losing play in the long run. Nice hand sir!

Thanks to both of you, I'm working hard to move up...


Third graph:


over last couple of days I've been studying a lot and I think making some pretty big progress theoretically. hopefully this is reflected in future graphs

in relation to actually playing, i think i've been doing well enough. I've had one session where I majorly spewed, and sometimes I go into a mode where I'm not thinking very clearly. However, I've been playing well relative to my knowl3dge overall. I think.

hey thanks for the gl and same to you. about the QQ hand, I think sometimes you just have to go with your feelings and do what feels right. theory goes out the window when instinct contradicts it.

nice upswing today:

played well and run well too for the most part . excepting the occasional cooler e.g.:

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.11
SB: $2.38
BB: $2.82
UTG: $0.78
MP: $1.24
Hero (CO): $2.50

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 3 3
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($0.07) 6 5 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.02, BB folds, UTG calls $0.02

Turn: ($0.11) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.11) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks



also, i won about 350 evbb today in pots that pokerstars didn't report.. will get pokerstars to email me my hands sometime in the future .

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.52
Hero (SB): $3.10
BB: $2.00
UTG: $2.09
MP: $2.00
CO: $2.55

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with J J
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.34, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.70) J 8 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.76 all in, BTN calls $1.58 all in

Turn: ($5.06) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($5.06) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)




but results aside do you guys think shove is good on flop? Or call better? had 0 hands on him

*actually im 99.9% sure shove is gee tee oh

People are 4-betting T7o at 2NL?
Check-shove is fine vs villain's sizing, as he's repping QQ+, and there are a few bad turn cards for that range if you just call, so getting it in immediately should be very profitable in the long run.

knowl3dge theorm: if a game state is possible, 2nl players can achieve it.

It follows that in any given situation a 2nl player will have all technically possible combos at a non-0 frequency... wasn't exactly expecting this though

thanks for comment.

mini update on the challenge: studying is going really well. learning a lot every day. will post next graph at 30k hands, 6k to go .