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08-10-2020 , 01:09 PM
Those hiking pictures are great! What camera are you using?

Last edited by iamdonkey; 08-10-2020 at 01:23 PM.
08-10-2020 , 01:41 PM
To the hands:

h1:
Agree that JTs is probably the best hands to barrel off there. Just got to take a note on V and abuse him from now on.

h2:
depends very much on V. If he is the usual tight zoom reg I would just fold flop at 100bb effective. On turn you don´t have foldequity and he is probably betting his AK this big about 1% of the time, but fold is not an option when you got that far I guess.

h3:
Would bet bigger on the flop SB vs BB. I am not sure but think 33% sizing isn´t great in these positions on a board like this. Rest of the hand is well played I think. You might have gotten him to fold with a bigger river sizing with his specific combo but as so many things in poker it depends a lot on villain. Some fish will even snap you with 84 there if you shoved
08-10-2020 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
JT looks good to me
Re: AQ hand, from my experience, these players who 4bet very big then use a 2-street size OOP tend to be 4betting fairly linear and tight. I don't mind calling the 4bet but I just exploit the large size by mostly playing ship or fold on this flop.
87 - I mostly check flops here since people really overstab bvb. Obv betting some frequency is also fine. Regarding the river, assuming we don't have specific reads I think the only thing I'd say is that we need to be careful with frequency control here, assuming we also consider As7 9s7 etc candidates for taking this line because we really don't reach the river with that much value, so unless we've got a reason to deviate, probably only want to be x/r a couple of bluff combos at most.
Completely agree with watching the frequencies, and it is very hard to keep it in control. Actually did this one as a pure x/r, and could probably find more pure x/r if I'm not careful enough.

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Originally Posted by Grubz37
H1 I like a lot. Like you said there are really no natural bluffs and blocking TT and QJ seems great. I also think this line will be super under bluffed at 50z and below.

H2 I face these spots pretty often on Bovada and they're pretty frustrating. In my experience when players use these strange/poor sizings they tend to be pretty value heavy. Against my player pool I would be pretty tempted to nit fold this pre.

H3 I need to study b v b more but your thought process seems solid. Turn you have enough SDV to x/c and I prefer that over betting. I agree you could go a little bigger with the x/r on river.

Glad to see you mixing it up in the 50z streets. I think you have a very strong grasp on theory and will do very well just a matter of time until the shot sticks. Best of luck Ship!
Hey thanks man. Means alot. How is your grind going? :-)

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Originally Posted by iamdonkey
Those hiking pictures are great! What camera are you using?
Thanks! My girlfriend took those with a Honor 8 :-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamdonkey
To the hands:

h1:
Agree that JTs is probably the best hands to barrel off there. Just got to take a note on V and abuse him from now on.

h2:
depends very much on V. If he is the usual tight zoom reg I would just fold flop at 100bb effective. On turn you don´t have foldequity and he is probably betting his AK this big about 1% of the time, but fold is not an option when you got that far I guess.

h3:
Would bet bigger on the flop SB vs BB. I am not sure but think 33% sizing isn´t great in these positions on a board like this. Rest of the hand is well played I think. You might have gotten him to fold with a bigger river sizing with his specific combo but as so many things in poker it depends a lot on villain. Some fish will even snap you with 84 there if you shoved
Abuse him verbally in chat you mean? ;-)

H3 - I have solver mostly go small in my sims, but my SBvBB sims are not very accurate because of performance reasons. Have to limit sizings on later streets. Solver goes bigger too with some %.
08-10-2020 , 03:34 PM
Nice thread and great results OP. Could you give some insight on how you approach studying and improving at the game in general?
08-10-2020 , 03:49 PM
Subbed OP. Will be giving this thread a good read when I get the time - GL in the meantime
08-10-2020 , 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Any2Suited
Nice thread and great results OP. Could you give some insight on how you approach studying and improving at the game in general?
Thanks! :-)

I keep book over stuff I know well and stuff I need to improve.

At this point my only resources are GTO+, discord and uNL forum here on 2+2. Most of the answers to questions I can find running sims and figuring out what questions to ask to arrive closer to equilibrium.

When I started re-learning poker in december 2019 I browsed all kinds of resources (Upswingpoker articles, Applications of no-limit hold'em by Matthew Janda, Youtube etc.) and found out what the most important poker concepts are. I made a list of those and learned them one by one. Once I got a solver I checked if solver solutions reflect those concepts (they did).

When playing I take note of spots I struggle with, where I find myself making guesses and using up my entire time-bank because I'm lost.

I approach the solver work in a way that I can rationalize every spot by asking a few simple questions that will help me play my whole range properly. Sometimes I open excel and start making simplifications that will output something close to what the solver would in a given spot. Examples of this:
- A document to "calculate" raise frequencies for any given combo on the flop in a SRP, based on properties of the combination relative to the board texture.
- Similar to above but for turn barrels

I also use excelsheets where I have flopsizing simplifications for a list of flops in different positions and for SRP/3b/4b.

These kinds of tools I mostly use when training or reviewing some hands, rarely in-game because they are pretty easy to remember roughly when playing around a bit.

In reality I rarely make new solver sims. I use old ones from a bigger database I have solved some time ago, just to get an idea how similar spots are played. The goal is always to generalize spots, because running exact sims for hand X doesn't really help me much. Only looking at solver to find concepts that apply in general and by doing that I can roughly figure out how another spot should be played even if it is a bit different, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm limiting myself doing it this way, but once I get a new PC I can run sims faster.

Hope that answers your question :-)
08-10-2020 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wynner88888
Subbed OP. Will be giving this thread a good read when I get the time - GL in the meantime
Thanks :-) You too man!
08-10-2020 , 04:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks! :-)

I keep book over stuff I know well and stuff I need to improve.

At this point my only resources are GTO+, discord and uNL forum here on 2+2. Most of the answers to questions I can find running sims and figuring out what questions to ask to arrive closer to equilibrium.

When I started re-learning poker in december 2019 I browsed all kinds of resources (Upswingpoker articles, Applications of no-limit hold'em by Matthew Janda, Youtube etc.) and found out what the most important poker concepts are. I made a list of those and learned them one by one. Once I got a solver I checked if solver solutions reflect those concepts (they did).

When playing I take note of spots I struggle with, where I find myself making guesses and using up my entire time-bank because I'm lost.

I approach the solver work in a way that I can rationalize every spot by asking a few simple questions that will help me play my whole range properly. Sometimes I open excel and start making simplifications that will output something close to what the solver would in a given spot. Examples of this:
- A document to "calculate" raise frequencies for any given combo on the flop in a SRP, based on properties of the combination relative to the board texture.
- Similar to above but for turn barrels

I also use excelsheets where I have flopsizing simplifications for a list of flops in different positions and for SRP/3b/4b.

These kinds of tools I mostly use when training or reviewing some hands, rarely in-game because they are pretty easy to remember roughly when playing around a bit.

In reality I rarely make new solver sims. I use old ones from a bigger database I have solved some time ago, just to get an idea how similar spots are played. The goal is always to generalize spots, because running exact sims for hand X doesn't really help me much. Only looking at solver to find concepts that apply in general and by doing that I can roughly figure out how another spot should be played even if it is a bit different, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm limiting myself doing it this way, but once I get a new PC I can run sims faster.

Hope that answers your question :-)
Sounds to me like you're doing it absolutely perfectly. The only potential improvement on this is to perhaps go through a really good course that does exactly what you're doing, ie seeing how the solver plays different spots and making generalisations, but in doing so you may (or may not) pick up some extra concepts in reading solver outputs, plus it may add entirely new generalisations to your game that you haven't already picked up on. But this isn't by any means necessary and it sounds like you're on THE right track. Good work and once I again I look forward to reviewing this thread in more detail
08-10-2020 , 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Abuse him verbally in chat you mean? ;-)

H3 - I have solver mostly go small in my sims, but my SBvBB sims are not very accurate because of performance reasons. Have to limit sizings on later streets. Solver goes bigger too with some %.
Yes abuse him in chat, but more so at playing cards
Thinking about it.. his calldown is alright though against an unknown.


@h3: That´s interesting. Gonna tell you my thoughts on discord!
08-10-2020 , 05:18 PM
Thinking about it, I suppose that the only critique would be that even seemingly small changes in sim inputs can have significant effects on how the ranges interact, but you said you're getting a more powerful PC at some point so I'm assuming you'll be running more sims then. Fwiw, my laptop has 6 cores and 64gb ram and that's more than enough to run Pio trees relatively quickly providing they're not too complex. GTO+ runs even faster for whatever reason, if I remember correctly
08-10-2020 , 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamdonkey
Yes abuse him in chat, but more so at playing cards
Thinking about it.. his calldown is alright though against an unknown.


@h3: That´s interesting. Gonna tell you my thoughts on discord!
Yeah calldown probably fine. The snap was rude though.
08-10-2020 , 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks! :-)

I keep book over stuff I know well and stuff I need to improve.

At this point my only resources are GTO+, discord and uNL forum here on 2+2. Most of the answers to questions I can find running sims and figuring out what questions to ask to arrive closer to equilibrium.

When I started re-learning poker in december 2019 I browsed all kinds of resources (Upswingpoker articles, Applications of no-limit hold'em by Matthew Janda, Youtube etc.) and found out what the most important poker concepts are. I made a list of those and learned them one by one. Once I got a solver I checked if solver solutions reflect those concepts (they did).

When playing I take note of spots I struggle with, where I find myself making guesses and using up my entire time-bank because I'm lost.

I approach the solver work in a way that I can rationalize every spot by asking a few simple questions that will help me play my whole range properly. Sometimes I open excel and start making simplifications that will output something close to what the solver would in a given spot. Examples of this:
- A document to "calculate" raise frequencies for any given combo on the flop in a SRP, based on properties of the combination relative to the board texture.
- Similar to above but for turn barrels

I also use excelsheets where I have flopsizing simplifications for a list of flops in different positions and for SRP/3b/4b.

These kinds of tools I mostly use when training or reviewing some hands, rarely in-game because they are pretty easy to remember roughly when playing around a bit.

In reality I rarely make new solver sims. I use old ones from a bigger database I have solved some time ago, just to get an idea how similar spots are played. The goal is always to generalize spots, because running exact sims for hand X doesn't really help me much. Only looking at solver to find concepts that apply in general and by doing that I can roughly figure out how another spot should be played even if it is a bit different, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm limiting myself doing it this way, but once I get a new PC I can run sims faster.

Hope that answers your question :-)
This is super insightful, thanks.

Would love to sweat you on discord sometime if you're interested.
08-10-2020 , 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks! :-)

I keep book over stuff I know well and stuff I need to improve.

At this point my only resources are GTO+, discord and uNL forum here on 2+2. Most of the answers to questions I can find running sims and figuring out what questions to ask to arrive closer to equilibrium.

When I started re-learning poker in december 2019 I browsed all kinds of resources (Upswingpoker articles, Applications of no-limit hold'em by Matthew Janda, Youtube etc.) and found out what the most important poker concepts are. I made a list of those and learned them one by one. Once I got a solver I checked if solver solutions reflect those concepts (they did).

When playing I take note of spots I struggle with, where I find myself making guesses and using up my entire time-bank because I'm lost.

I approach the solver work in a way that I can rationalize every spot by asking a few simple questions that will help me play my whole range properly. Sometimes I open excel and start making simplifications that will output something close to what the solver would in a given spot. Examples of this:
- A document to "calculate" raise frequencies for any given combo on the flop in a SRP, based on properties of the combination relative to the board texture.
- Similar to above but for turn barrels

I also use excelsheets where I have flopsizing simplifications for a list of flops in different positions and for SRP/3b/4b.

These kinds of tools I mostly use when training or reviewing some hands, rarely in-game because they are pretty easy to remember roughly when playing around a bit.

In reality I rarely make new solver sims. I use old ones from a bigger database I have solved some time ago, just to get an idea how similar spots are played. The goal is always to generalize spots, because running exact sims for hand X doesn't really help me much. Only looking at solver to find concepts that apply in general and by doing that I can roughly figure out how another spot should be played even if it is a bit different, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm limiting myself doing it this way, but once I get a new PC I can run sims faster.

Hope that answers your question :-)
Any chance of being able to join said discord ?
08-11-2020 , 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS
This is super insightful, thanks.

Would love to sweat you on discord sometime if you're interested.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Herbbb
Any chance of being able to join said discord ?
I mostly just talk 1-on-1 with a small circle of study-buddies from 2+2. So no group really where I'm active. I'm in one group that has become somewhat inactive. The admin of it reads this PGC so he can PM you if he wants to add more people.

Right now I'll keep my discord on the quiet side.
08-12-2020 , 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks! :-)

I keep book over stuff I know well and stuff I need to improve.

At this point my only resources are GTO+, discord and uNL forum here on 2+2. Most of the answers to questions I can find running sims and figuring out what questions to ask to arrive closer to equilibrium.

When I started re-learning poker in december 2019 I browsed all kinds of resources (Upswingpoker articles, Applications of no-limit hold'em by Matthew Janda, Youtube etc.) and found out what the most important poker concepts are. I made a list of those and learned them one by one. Once I got a solver I checked if solver solutions reflect those concepts (they did).

When playing I take note of spots I struggle with, where I find myself making guesses and using up my entire time-bank because I'm lost.

I approach the solver work in a way that I can rationalize every spot by asking a few simple questions that will help me play my whole range properly. Sometimes I open excel and start making simplifications that will output something close to what the solver would in a given spot. Examples of this:
- A document to "calculate" raise frequencies for any given combo on the flop in a SRP, based on properties of the combination relative to the board texture.
- Similar to above but for turn barrels

I also use excelsheets where I have flopsizing simplifications for a list of flops in different positions and for SRP/3b/4b.

These kinds of tools I mostly use when training or reviewing some hands, rarely in-game because they are pretty easy to remember roughly when playing around a bit.

In reality I rarely make new solver sims. I use old ones from a bigger database I have solved some time ago, just to get an idea how similar spots are played. The goal is always to generalize spots, because running exact sims for hand X doesn't really help me much. Only looking at solver to find concepts that apply in general and by doing that I can roughly figure out how another spot should be played even if it is a bit different, if that makes sense. Maybe I'm limiting myself doing it this way, but once I get a new PC I can run sims faster.

Hope that answers your question :-)


Crusher.

Good stuff man, this was helpful. glgl
08-12-2020 , 01:43 PM
Hey nickles,

just popping in to say hi and wish you luck. I know we had that freeroll for the HH review a few months ago but it is honestly okay, I've been doing pretty dang good so far at my new stake. Hopefully same to you cheers
08-12-2020 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ejames209
Hey nickles,

just popping in to say hi and wish you luck. I know we had that freeroll for the HH review a few months ago but it is honestly okay, I've been doing pretty dang good so far at my new stake. Hopefully same to you cheers
Hey James. I looked at discord now and yes, I completely forgot about it after I asked for your recording :-( Good thing is that my input is of better quality now than 3 months ago. Send me a new one mate and I'll comment on it.

Happy to hear you're doing well. Talk to you on discord :-)

Thanks for dropping by!
08-13-2020 , 02:00 AM
Late to the party, just wondering if anything still going on in here?
08-13-2020 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by meale
Late to the party, just wondering if anything still going on in here?
Welcome mate. There is booze in the fridge.
08-13-2020 , 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro


Crusher.

Good stuff man, this was helpful. glgl
Hehe I wish. Glad it helps! Thanks :-)
08-13-2020 , 02:52 AM
Been playing well on my 50z shot. Unfortunately not winning pots so gotta move down to 25z.

Another reminder of why playing low volume sucks, regrinding can take a long time. Just gotta find a way to get it the rhythm of the swings and enjoy them.

08-13-2020 , 02:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Been playing well on my 50z shot. Unfortunately not winning pots so gotta move down to 25z.

Another reminder of why playing low volume sucks, regrinding can take a long time. Just gotta find a way to get it the rhythm of the swings and enjoy them.

Shame about the variance but good to hear you're at least playing well! I'm curious, what sort of off-table study work are you doing to improve your game btw?
08-13-2020 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by meale
Shame about the variance but good to hear you're at least playing well! I'm curious, what sort of off-table study work are you doing to improve your game btw?
Yep it's no surprise that so many PG&C's die out almost on the daily. I have much confidence in my work and how I'm applying it in-game so I'm not going to give up that easily.

I mostly work in the solver and study spots I find tough from playing. I've written a bunch of theory posts on earlier pages. Those show pretty much how I approach solver work off-table. Also if you scroll up a few posts I wrote a short explanation.

Also post/read quite a bit in the 2+2 uNL forum and Poker theory.

Last edited by Shipnickle; 08-13-2020 at 03:42 AM.
08-13-2020 , 03:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Yep it's no surprise that so many PG&C's die out almost on the daily. I have much confidence in my work and how I'm applying it in-game so I'm not going to give up that easily.

I mostly work in the solver and study spots I find tough from playing. I've written a bunch of theory posts on earlier pages. Those show pretty much how I approach solver work off-table. Also if you scroll up a few posts I wrote a short explanation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
All my earlier short theory updates below, need to compile them from time to time so they're more easily accessible.

Battling the micros - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...4&postcount=26
Node-lock for passiveness - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...0&postcount=75
Playing medium overpairs in 3b pots - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=109
How to choose bluffing candidates with wide capped ranges - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=149
How cbet sizing affects the game-tree - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=154
Bluffing turn in 4b pots - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=164
A blocker example OTF - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=171
3 street poker breakdown - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=172
Pattern recognition (flop raise frequencies) - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=206
When do we want to cbet turn for 1/3 sizing? - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=224
There
08-13-2020 , 04:25 AM
Awesome stuff man, looks like you're killing it and I'm sure the hard work will pay off! Let's go!

      
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