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04-18-2020 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Nice Fubar_TV! I'll try this out.

Thank you!

EDIT: why no dickupicku?


Its so small so it doesnt show on pictures.....
04-18-2020 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Fubar_TV
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Its so small so it doesnt show on pictures.....
My understanding is that you have kids so can't be that bad!
04-18-2020 , 06:14 AM
officially subbed!
Interesting hands, interesting read. As of yesterday joined the 25nl pool. so see you there
04-18-2020 , 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks man! I can't PM you but maybe you can post your discord (or skype) here?
Discord - synth#0131
04-19-2020 , 03:47 PM
HAND 1:

44 is usually a fold preflop on a decent table. I don't love post flop. Good thing is he doesn't have as many 22/33 like in a BTNvBB spot, where I would do this OB -> OB stuff more often on Txx. Here villain has more TT in his pre calling range. Low frequency OB barrell.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $81.45 (326 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $31.73 (127 bb)
BU: $72.97 (292 bb)
SB: $26.17 (105 bb)
BB: $26.35 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 4 4
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, 2 players fold, SB calls $0.52, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.49) 2 T 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.13, SB calls $2.13

Turn: ($5.75) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.49, SB calls $5.49

River: ($16.73) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


HAND 2:

Marginal call pre vs small sizing, probably a fold though. Very low frequency x/r OTF. Our value range is really narrow, in optimal play we x/r as "thin" as AQ for value sometimes if we assume villain range cbets. Don't know if river is a shove here. Would rather have AJs/A5s blocking AA and AQ.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $28.64 (115 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $38.25 (153 bb)
BU: $11.21 (45 bb)
SB: $27.38 (110 bb)
BB: $25.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with K 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, CO 3-bets to $1.75, 3 players fold, Hero calls $1.13

Flop: ($3.85) T Q 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.21, Hero raises to $3.75, CO calls $2.54

Turn: ($11.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, CO calls $4.75

River: ($20.85) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Last edited by Shipnickle; 04-19-2020 at 03:59 PM.
04-19-2020 , 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
HAND 1:

I don't think I like this. SB cold calls are weird. Good thing is he doesn't have as many 22/33 like in a BTNvBB spot, where I would do this OB -> OB stuff more often on Txx. Here villain has more TT in his pre calling range. Low frequency OB barrell.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $81.45 (326 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $31.73 (127 bb)
BU: $72.97 (292 bb)
SB: $26.17 (105 bb)
BB: $26.35 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 4 4
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, 2 players fold, SB calls $0.52, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.49) 2 T 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.13, SB calls $2.13

Turn: ($5.75) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.49, SB calls $5.49

River: ($16.73) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

I would Cbet small OTF and then big OTT with Q and give up on river.

HAND 2:

Marginal call pre vs small sizing, probably a fold though. Very low frequency x/r OTF. Our value range is really narrow. Don't know if river is a shove here. Would rather have AJs/A5s blocking AA and AQ.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $28.64 (115 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $38.25 (153 bb)
BU: $11.21 (45 bb)
SB: $27.38 (110 bb)
BB: $25.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with K 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, CO 3-bets to $1.75, 3 players fold, Hero calls $1.13

Flop: ($3.85) T Q 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.21, Hero raises to $3.75, CO calls $2.54

Turn: ($11.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, CO calls $4.75

River: ($20.85) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
I would rather fold or 4bet vs small size 3Bet, but as played i like the raise OTF but OTT a PSB+ even maybe OB jam with that EQ u have.
04-19-2020 , 04:15 PM
Thanks fubar.

I think 33%/check flop strategy is good on Txx too.

Yeah I 4b or fold makes sense with K9s. Turn is a bit tricky. Betting bigger than 1/2 pretty much makes river awkward if we dont OB shove. Cant see many OB shoves but deff possible its a thing.
04-19-2020 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
HAND 1:

44 is usually a fold preflop on a decent table. I don't love post flop. Good thing is he doesn't have as many 22/33 like in a BTNvBB spot, where I would do this OB -> OB stuff more often on Txx. Here villain has more TT in his pre calling range. Low frequency OB barrell.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $81.45 (326 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $31.73 (127 bb)
BU: $72.97 (292 bb)
SB: $26.17 (105 bb)
BB: $26.35 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 4 4
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, 2 players fold, SB calls $0.52, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.49) 2 T 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.13, SB calls $2.13

Turn: ($5.75) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.49, SB calls $5.49

River: ($16.73) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks


HAND 2:

Marginal call pre vs small sizing, probably a fold though. Very low frequency x/r OTF. Our value range is really narrow, in optimal play we x/r as "thin" as AQ for value sometimes if we assume villain range cbets. Don't know if river is a shove here. Would rather have AJs/A5s blocking AA and AQ.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $28.64 (115 bb)
MP (Hero): $25.00 (100 bb)
CO: $38.25 (153 bb)
BU: $11.21 (45 bb)
SB: $27.38 (110 bb)
BB: $25.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with K 9
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.62, CO 3-bets to $1.75, 3 players fold, Hero calls $1.13

Flop: ($3.85) T Q 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.21, Hero raises to $3.75, CO calls $2.54

Turn: ($11.35) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, CO calls $4.75

River: ($20.85) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Hand 1 is a really interesting line, I only use one size on flops so I've never looked at stuff like this. Assuming this is pio approved then it's quite eye opening. I guess 44 benefits from folding out all overcard floats with the large bet on the flop. Then the turn is just so great for your range as Villian has folded all Qx without a ten or a flush draw on the flop. So you hands like QJo and KQo can bomb it for value. So it makes sense that these low pocket pairs would be used as a bluff. I think river give up seems best, you even beat some combo draws.

I just wonder whether this plays entirely different vs a SB flatting range that is really pair and broad way heavy, than vs BB defend which has far more junk that has a tough time defending. Otherwise I think this puts Villain in some really sick spots, and I think 99.9% of 25nl players would have no clue how to play well against this (you will gain EV because people will play terribly against this).

Hand 2 I think K9s is just a pure fold preflop but I'm a huge nit while OOP (and I haven't seen a light 3bet bluff at 25nl in weeks lol). This reminds me of when you called Q8s SB vs BB. Maybe this is a call against an optimal BB 3bet but way under 3bets BvB - and probably 3bets very linear with hands like QTs and QJs which dominate you. I don't think people find the like low frequency A3o 3bets that you see at 25/50

I think flop raise makes sense at low frequency and as you say the solver raises very frequently OOP (and very wide for value). I would personally just ship it on the turn, this way you fold out all his Tx and draws like KJs. Maybe this isn't how you would play your value so you shouldn't play a bluff like this. But I think you want max fold equity against any marginal holdings

As played I think you this is probably a river give up because you don't want to block clubs that floated turn. (Like AKcc or T9cc that would fold) and completely unblocked his value. Better to bluff with the KJhh i guess

Just my thoughts, may be terrible
04-19-2020 , 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossman0161
I would personally just ship it on the turn
Agree with this. Stacks are too awkward to bet say 75%. This 1/3 give up still allows ace high floats OTT (although idk 25z tendencies enough to know how true this is).
04-20-2020 , 01:22 PM
******************** 60k hand update ********************



Mind-game notes:
- I keep checking results during sessions -> get slightly affected on both green and red numbers
- I feel like I have to sit out and review a hand after a potential blunder -> bugs me during a session
- I start playing a lot faster when I'm in the red -> might miss some obvious spots, sometimes I even fold an obvious open pre

- I don't let tilt lead to massive blunders or spew -> can't find one monkey-tilt hand in my database
- My mental game is 100x better than back in the day


Strategy notes:
- Seems easy to implement new theory in-game -> studying pays off?
- Feels like my turn overbets never get called. Even regs seem to be overfolding. Won't make any adjustment to pool before I can confirm this.
- I see no reason to deviate a lot from theory, playing to what I think is closer to GTO seems to be working so far. Spots where I have to deviate like crazy vs regs don't really come up often, but relatively often in bluffcatching spots where I expect regs or fish to be underbluffing.

Because of the first thing on the mind-game list I will only look at results every 10k hands. So next time will be at 70k hands. I removed all stats based on $$ in HEM. This is a challenge in itself, especially when my volume is low. 10k hands means several days for me. If you want to see a zen master of not checking results you need to read r00vam's PG&C (100k hands without looking????? Unreal)

It's been fun to help struggling (and even non-struggling) people reading the thread. Some really nice people on here. Not only is it fun but I learn too at the same time.

Ok GL now!

Last edited by Shipnickle; 04-20-2020 at 01:51 PM.
04-20-2020 , 02:15 PM
How have I not sub'd to this yet ... Great work. I see you mention Applications of No-Limit Hold'em.. any other book you recommend? Starting in micro here and moving my way up.
04-20-2020 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by qbvbsite
How have I not sub'd to this yet ... Great work. I see you mention Applications of No-Limit Hold'em.. any other book you recommend? Starting in micro here and moving my way up.
Thanks! :-)

The mental game of poker 1&2 by Tendler. I have read other books but Tendler and Janda have been the eye-opening ones. People say GTO is a waste of time at the micros, it's not. You don't want to start learning GTO from zero after you move up to where it starts to get really relevant.

GL!
04-20-2020 , 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
Thanks! :-)

The mental game of poker 1&2 by Tendler. I have read other books but Tendler and Janda have been the eye-opening ones. People say GTO is a waste of time at the micros, it's not. You don't want to start learning GTO from zero after you move up to where it starts to get really relevant.

GL!
Awesome, I'll check those out as well. Do you use GTP+ or PIO solver? or mainly just a reader?
04-20-2020 , 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qbvbsite
Awesome, I'll check those out as well. Do you use GTP+ or PIO solver? or mainly just a reader?
I use GTO+ :-)
04-20-2020 , 04:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
I use GTO+ :-)
Cool stuff, don't think I'm there yet to make $75 worth it but will be keeping it in mind.
04-20-2020 , 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philhermouth
officially subbed!
Interesting hands, interesting read. As of yesterday joined the 25nl pool. so see you there
I missed this. Thanks man! Yes atleast for a while we will battle. Congrats on the move up!
04-20-2020 , 05:38 PM
Thanks again for the video review. Very useful!

@K9s hand. I also prefer to 4b or fold this oop, as played ship turn. Would be nicer though if we xred flop to 4,5 or 4,8.
04-20-2020 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shipnickle
******************** 60k hand update ********************



Mind-game notes:
- I keep checking results during sessions -> get slightly affected on both green and red numbers
- I feel like I have to sit out and review a hand after a potential blunder -> bugs me during a session
- I start playing a lot faster when I'm in the red -> might miss some obvious spots, sometimes I even fold an obvious open pre

- I don't let tilt lead to massive blunders or spew -> can't find one monkey-tilt hand in my database
- My mental game is 100x better than back in the day


Strategy notes:
- Seems easy to implement new theory in-game -> studying pays off?
- Feels like my turn overbets never get called. Even regs seem to be overfolding. Won't make any adjustment to pool before I can confirm this.
- I see no reason to deviate a lot from theory, playing to what I think is closer to GTO seems to be working so far. Spots where I have to deviate like crazy vs regs don't really come up often, but relatively often in bluffcatching spots where I expect regs or fish to be underbluffing.

Because of the first thing on the mind-game list I will only look at results every 10k hands. So next time will be at 70k hands. I removed all stats based on $$ in HEM. This is a challenge in itself, especially when my volume is low. 10k hands means several days for me. If you want to see a zen master of not checking results you need to read r00vam's PG&C (100k hands without looking????? Unreal)

It's been fun to help struggling (and even non-struggling) people reading the thread. Some really nice people on here. Not only is it fun but I learn too at the same time.

Ok GL now!
Absolutely great decision mate to stop checking results as frequently! I'm honestly very happy to hear you're doing this. I'm convinced you can become a great reg at mid stakes and above if you keep doing what you're doing, with your mindset, natural ability, and willingness to study & improve!

Solid results, looking forward to seeing the next 60k hands
04-22-2020 , 12:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bossman0161
Hand 1 is a really interesting line, I only use one size on flops so I've never looked at stuff like this. Assuming this is pio approved then it's quite eye opening. I guess 44 benefits from folding out all overcard floats with the large bet on the flop. Then the turn is just so great for your range as Villian has folded all Qx without a ten or a flush draw on the flop. So you hands like QJo and KQo can bomb it for value. So it makes sense that these low pocket pairs would be used as a bluff. I think river give up seems best, you even beat some combo draws.

I just wonder whether this plays entirely different vs a SB flatting range that is really pair and broad way heavy, than vs BB defend which has far more junk that has a tough time defending. Otherwise I think this puts Villain in some really sick spots, and I think 99.9% of 25nl players would have no clue how to play well against this (you will gain EV because people will play terribly against this).

Hand 2 I think K9s is just a pure fold preflop but I'm a huge nit while OOP (and I haven't seen a light 3bet bluff at 25nl in weeks lol). This reminds me of when you called Q8s SB vs BB. Maybe this is a call against an optimal BB 3bet but way under 3bets BvB - and probably 3bets very linear with hands like QTs and QJs which dominate you. I don't think people find the like low frequency A3o 3bets that you see at 25/50

I think flop raise makes sense at low frequency and as you say the solver raises very frequently OOP (and very wide for value). I would personally just ship it on the turn, this way you fold out all his Tx and draws like KJs. Maybe this isn't how you would play your value so you shouldn't play a bluff like this. But I think you want max fold equity against any marginal holdings

As played I think you this is probably a river give up because you don't want to block clubs that floated turn. (Like AKcc or T9cc that would fold) and completely unblocked his value. Better to bluff with the KJhh i guess

Just my thoughts, may be terrible
Missed this too.

Not sure 44 is optimal in those positions.. I'm pretty sure solver does it some % BTNvBB. I feel pool just overfolds to overbets, that's how they play bad against it. Like I said in my 60k update I won't make huge adjustments yet, let's see.

I don't know if I'm comfortable x/r AQ for value on QT2 vs pool, just because I feel 3bets are a little bit stronger and not as many range cbets. So my range would probably be much tighter for raising than optimal. This would probably also be an argument folding pre already. About river: yeah should have better hands to bluff with than this combo.

No your thought are not terrible. Thanks boss
04-22-2020 , 12:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by r00vam
Absolutely great decision mate to stop checking results as frequently! I'm honestly very happy to hear you're doing this. I'm convinced you can become a great reg at mid stakes and above if you keep doing what you're doing, with your mindset, natural ability, and willingness to study & improve!

Solid results, looking forward to seeing the next 60k hands
Thanks for the inspiration and kind words brother

I'm looking forward to your 100k hand results!
04-22-2020 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamdonkey
Thanks again for the video review. Very useful!

@K9s hand. I also prefer to 4b or fold this oop, as played ship turn. Would be nicer though if we xred flop to 4,5 or 4,8.
No problem! :-)

Raising a bit bigger makes sense actually. Good point. This is a spot where we want to polarize and generally a flop where we won't have combinations that are raised smaller for value/protection. Also makes turn sizing not as awkward.
04-22-2020 , 07:12 AM
Great thread and good content See you in the battlefield. GL!
04-22-2020 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipnickle
I got 2 + 3 people interested in the freeroll. The first two I will help out asap, the rest I will get to later when I have a little more time. PM me with your discord (or skype) if I didn't PM you already. Won't keep book of additional people now.

Freeroll winners:
r00vam
bigdave2304

On the list:
Iamdonkey
UncleLeo
ejames209
late on posting my graph for 10nl, will pm you my discord soon! (about 3300 hands of 20nl at the end)
04-22-2020 , 10:08 AM
^^ Whats this freeroll thing?
04-22-2020 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by qbvbsite
^^ Whats this freeroll thing?
Free coaching basically. I look through stats and analyze a 30min gameplay recording.

      
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