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08-31-2013 , 03:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr
There is a huge difference for a backer when horse is on a downswing and still makes money and be on a downswing and loose a good chunk

Imo it is really unfair for the backer to drop the horse when on downswing. Visa versa, does the horse has the right to leave when be on upswing?
i dont understand your first paragraph. how can a horse be on a downswing and make money? if he is on a downswing, he is always losing money, right?

why is it unfair to drop a horse when he is on a downswing? its the backers money and they can do whatever they want with it and they can get out of the deal when they feel its time. obviously if they drop the horse, the MU dies. I think a horse can leave the deal whenever they are out of MU. pretty sure thats an industry standard and has been for as long as i can remember.
08-31-2013 , 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zima421
dont think MU being under 100% was ever a question. people vastly over estimate what MU is worth (always funny when other backers try to sell MU).

Also, there are other ways to structure deals so the horse sees "profit" even if they are buried in MU. i think every time we have asked someone to move down we have also done a couple other things for the horse so they would be able to make a little money on the side (loans/getting pre cashouts as they clear MU etc).

its all just a big compromise tbh. as long as both sides arent idiots and come into it with an open mind and have the same goal in mind, it should be able to be worked out.


We would never ask someone who was playing 80-90 avg buyin grind a 10-20 avg buyin schedule. one of the guys who we recently dropped in big MU we tried everything with him. changed schedule, incentives, coaching, HH works etc. was he + in a 20 avg schedule, for sure. is it fair to ask him to grind at that level, no, probably not. We let him go and all his MU went away as well. He owes us some money for loans we gave, but thats it.
When i recently got 1k cash for 2k on makeup i referenced u and elio as doing this as a regular thing and the guy with a bigger % of the stake thought it was crazy, never heard of that before, but did end up doing it. my problem is when it comes to the next month and bills are due, how crazy is it gonna be again if im still not making money for mysel/ the stake
08-31-2013 , 03:28 AM
Well, to be fair, we have cut back a lot on loans as they usually just dont work out. maybe i am just selectively remembering the bad ones, ha ha

its tough. once you loan someone once, you kinda gotta loan them again if they are still in MU. its a hard thing to balance.

maybe trying to make money in other ways is something you should look in too. playing cash on a small euro site/coaching/whatever.

Loans complicate things soooooo much, as once we loan people i tend to be a lot more on top of them and scrutinize everything that much more. volume requirements come in, schedules are a lot more strict.


cliffs: loaning money sucks for everyone, ha ha
08-31-2013 , 04:25 AM
Obviously not every backer has unlimited loot, or has as seasoned an eye for evaluating EV as Zima/Elio. I think using their example of business as an industry default is going to be giving too much power to less experienced backers.

I fully believe that your decision making regarding a horses schedule is made in the best interest of both parties, but I'm not sure you could say the same for every backer that is given that level of responsibility. I think giving backers the right to alter a horses schedule on a whim is a pretty dangerous precedent and leaves open the possibility of horses being exploited pretty hard.
08-31-2013 , 04:37 AM
hmm seems the problem is you agreed to new deal? Is it permanently cutting the bigger buyins or is it just until you start playing a bit better and making more runs and making some money? This is obv pretty important in big downswings sometimes it is best to cut back stakes until you get some traction. In bigger buy ins you are going to facer tougher spots and you need to have full confidence in your ability of making the "right" decision. Sometimes during downswings confidence lacks obv player dependant. I wouldn't be surprised if you upswinged 10-15k or so if they started putting you back on your old schedule.
08-31-2013 , 04:38 AM
i agree that there is a lot of responsibility in terms of making schedules/changing schedules. i know first hand of a lot of horses who have gotten abused (and still are getting abused) by their backers.
08-31-2013 , 06:45 AM
IMO the backers job, except for bankrolling is keeping the horses in the most +EV games for booth parties, If thats done objectively then having the horse move down should be very reasonable. But as said, if its because backers getting cold feet/getting worried over big MU then its no OK and the backer either needs to let horse continue with the high BI or drop him.
08-31-2013 , 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonP
hmm seems the problem is you agreed to new deal? Is it permanently cutting the bigger buyins or is it just until you start playing a bit better and making more runs and making some money? This is obv pretty important in big downswings sometimes it is best to cut back stakes until you get some traction. In bigger buy ins you are going to facer tougher spots and you need to have full confidence in your ability of making the "right" decision. Sometimes during downswings confidence lacks obv player dependant. I wouldn't be surprised if you upswinged 10-15k or so if they started putting you back on your old schedule.
this isnt a permanent situation and if i ever do regain "traction" my schedule should slowly increase.
08-31-2013 , 12:44 PM
Also lets just say some how im actually +ev in the big 162 hot 75 and hot 55. does anyone feel that any of those tournys should be cut out of a "Value" schedule? Value is what my backer is looking to get out of every tourny i play now. which to mean seems like only play reg speeds and no turbos really.
08-31-2013 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
why is it unfair to drop a horse when he is on a downswing? its the backers money and they can do whatever they want with it and they can get out of the deal when they feel its time. obviously if they drop the horse, the MU dies. I think a horse can leave the deal whenever they are out of MU. pretty sure thats an industry standard and has been for as long as i can remember.
100% agree with Zima. I mean the makeup is getting wiped so I cant see how the horse would have issue with starting a different stake and getting an immediate share of profits.

Belth, Im curious. How do you think stakes would ever end if backers cant drop horses when theyre down and horses cant leave when theyre up?
08-31-2013 , 06:11 PM
Time for a small update, haven't posted one in a few days now. WRT ufgators situation, it's a ****ty spot once he agrees to the 180 side deal as that basically is the resolution for the time being. Hopefully just hit an upswing and be right back in the games you should be in, all you can do for the time being I guess

VPP Count: 924,062

Been kinda half assing it this past week, getting settled into the new condo, finishing clearing out the old one, going out to TJ one night, dinners every night, etc... Not used to having roommates, need to get better about passing up on stuff and just grind more.

Hoping to get in a good amount of volume this next week, like I had said, would like to be as close to being done with SNE as possible before WCOOP starts; anything under 975k VPPs on the morning of Sept 8th will be considered a fail .

Just had a good session right before heading out to lunch with 2 of my roommates, felt good winning almost every bubble hand after running pretty horrid 3-3 handed for the past about 15 days.

Anyway graphs below, gonna study some hands and get back on the grind pending the games being reasonable, gla on sundayfunday!



08-31-2013 , 08:46 PM
(rain)


    Poker Stars, $96.49 Buy-in (60/120 blinds, 12 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19182062

    Hero (BTN): 920 (7.7 bb)
    SB: 1,470 (12.3 bb)
    BB: 610 (5.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
    Hero raises to 908 and is all-in, SB raises to 1,458 and is all-in, BB folds

    Flop: (1,972) 6 7 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: (1,972) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (1,972) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,972 pot
    Final Board: 6 7 5 K 5
    Hero showed K K and lost (-920 net)
    SB showed 5 5 and won 1,972 (1,052 net)



    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    08-31-2013 , 08:57 PM
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    09-01-2013 , 02:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippin_criss
    nicemonth.com/letskiss


    Gl in sept broski

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    Meh, just ended August with a pretty tilting session; about an hour straight where I couldn't win a ****** hand, luckily it's the dead of offpeak and therefore at least half my table count was 30s, so wasn't as bad as it could have been.

    Looking back at August, was a very good month for me, not only profit wise (which was nice obv), but just the fact that I got confidence back in my game by seeing that I can crush another format with just a tad bit of study. The hypers truly are by far the toughest SNGs online right now, and it's just not even close. Most of the 'good' regs from all the other formats all switched to them, leaving the other game formats full of not so great regs .

    But yea, besides results, getting confidence in my game back, I also got myself set up in a legit spot where I'm going to save a TON of money, which will definitely help WRT getting on my own dime sooner rather than later.

    Speaking of getting on my own dime, my *plan* right now is to finish up SNE, then have all my own action at $30 hypers and stay backed for $60s/$100s, ofc buying into my own action at those $60s/$100s as I make money and can afford to. Seems like the best course of action, probs will be a lot of $30 grinding for the rest of the yr, especially in nov/dec when the games will get super ****ty.

    Yea so hoping to do quite a bit of grinding in September, might offer some freerolls later in the month, but for right now, my only main goal will be....175+ hours/165k+ vpps, big month! Not rlly sure what my VPP/hr is now that I'm mixing 30s-100s (also depends on how good/bad the games are and the sleep schedule I stay on), but couldn't see it being lower than 950 vpp/hr.

    Anyway, graphs below, gla in September!


    August Graphs

    MTD w RB:




    6m HTs pre Rb




    18s pre RB




    6m HT redline graph
    09-01-2013 , 12:55 PM
    Super withered end to the month after putting in 60 hours during happy hour week. But padded the BR a bit and upped my abi. Only at 436k VPPs so Sept is make or break for the SNE chase. Hopefully can start the month off right w a 7k vpp sunday.



    gl
    09-01-2013 , 02:10 PM
    Don't hope, ****in do it ya jerk!
    09-01-2013 , 02:11 PM
    Don't make me fly to Mexico and smack you around.
    09-01-2013 , 03:09 PM
    Ruse if you don't hit SNE this year I'm gonna be really pissed off at you.

    Book a prop bet tho so I can bet against you
    09-01-2013 , 05:05 PM
    Yeah are you still running that prop? Now I'm tempted to bet against just to spite you.
    09-01-2013 , 08:52 PM
    joshua why u stopped playing 18 mans after winning $3 a game pre rb? :O
    09-01-2013 , 09:13 PM
    I got a few small SNE props booked and down to book more.

    Sippin, how much longer do I need to tool drag to get a visit? Def in.

    Was telling jdawg that ill play all of Dec drunk with a 100 abi if need be so prob save your money on the prop.
    09-01-2013 , 10:28 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

    ill play all of Dec drunk with a 100 abi
    hero
    09-01-2013 , 11:22 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rusemandingo
    Was telling jdawg that ill play all of Dec drunk with a 100 abi if need be so prob save your money on the prop.
    So like a normal month, but $100 abi?
    09-02-2013 , 12:36 AM
    good point
    09-02-2013 , 09:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sippin_criss
    Don't make me fly to Mexico and smack you around.
    Oh my, plz do

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gramps
    So like a normal month, but $100 abi?
    Hahah lol'd real hard at this one

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Thommehh
    joshua why u stopped playing 18 mans after winning $3 a game pre rb? :O
    Making more playing my normal games...I didn't realize I was still up pre RB this yr at $60/$100 6m hts over pretty big samples, I fig'd cuz I was down well over 100k pre RB, that I was getting crushed at everything. B/e pre RB at 1k vpp/hr (my vpp/hr i think is a bit more, might even be as high as like 1300-1400) is already a $130 hourly, and my EV line has been looking decent as of late.

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    VPP Count: 936858.08

    Didn't get in as much volume as I would have liked to, but did start off with some heattttt for the month! Got sidetracked going out to eat with Ruse which obv involved drinks, and then came back and roommate was deep in the Bigger 55 but he ran KK into AA for like 2x as many chips as 2nd with 19 left (rain). Started to grind, and then in walked 3 of the other bros and on top of that, Ruse made special () brownies (dance)

    All in all, fun day, but would have liked to have grinded a decent amount more. Hoping for a lot of hrs tomorrow, been trying to fall asleep but that brownie isn't letting me yet. Graphs below, gla on the tables


    Day:


    And 6m EV since starting this new DB

          
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