I have no problem with that.

But he markets himself as a HS online reg to people that can’t tell the difference.

If you pretend to be something that you’re not to sell products to people that don’t know any better then you’re going to get called out on it.

Hey crimson. I would love to hear some of your insights on what are some factors that differentiates say a player like jnandez, versus someone in top 10% of PLO. Ive always felt that the best players are a mixture of both solver solution mixed in with human exploits vs the field. Jnandez seems to also believe in this methodology, but what makes his game or style worse compared to say a top tier reg? thanks for the input

Mix of max exploit and thurough understanding of GTO is def the way.

What seperates the best players is intensity.

An inherent intuition for aggression

Incredible nuance and thoughtfulness to details. The best player I know personally plays very intuitive/feel but with incredible attention to detail of the exact spot.

Hand reading skills and an understanding of human player dynamics

Extremely critical of their own plays. This is very important. Good players will wonder why their bluff didnt get through. Bad players will justify their punt.

Also more nuanced understanding of GTO

Agree with everything you said. Intuition is so important in PLO more so than any form of poker. Naturally intuitive players who understand GTO AND people are the best ones to do it. Hoping to get there one day thanks for the s/o. I can’t speak on jnandez I actually met him in Vegas/ I respect what’s he’s done for the game and I actually think the PLO mastermind is good content, not going to speak to his actual abilities online bc I haven’t played w him.

I think it’s a solid beginner intro to plo.

The trainer is genuinly a valuable tool.

It’s just that the marketing himself as a successful online HS player is dishonest. People should know that this content will
not get you there.

It reminds me of that Charlie Munger quote.

“I was in Minnesota and I was buying a fishing lure. And I looked at them and they were pink and green and so I asked the shopkeeper, do fish really take this lure? And the old-timer behind the counter said, Mister, I don't sell to fish.”

If you have to give 2 nl and 2 plo content creators worth watching their videos who would you choose?

Even if they just have courses not only some youtube channel or rio coaches

Theres the israeli NL player that always looks super anxious when he's explaining, but its really solid. Forgot his name. From recent years

Galfond is solid for plo. There is no other proper plo content imo. but Jnandez does have fine beginner material.

Get a solver and try to figure things out yourself is the way to really learn.

I believe you are thinking of Uri Peleg and I agree.

Uri Peleg?

yes thats the guy

I'm a bit surprised about your comments on Nandez. I respect you and I'm only a 100PLO scrub, so I would lean toward me missing the mark here, but I always thought Nandez was solid if not somewhat underrated in a way. He's not a top player and doesn't claim to be one, but I imagine he is solid at HS. I remember watching VeniVidi -- I don't recall him say anything negative about Nandez's game -- and he did say that while they both share a lot of the same knowledge, what separates them is that Veni executes better. I always thought that Nandez has good explanations, thoughtful analysis, and doesn't hide his mistakes. So, I don't really see him as a bullshitter or dishonestly marketing himself. He's also shown great results in the past couple of years. I also like a lot of the coaches he has had on his site like Suhepx, Shuller, and Lokfable. That's just my 2c, but again, I'm not that experienced so what do I know!

One other thing I do think is interesting that you talk about is balancing solver knowledge and intuition. For me personally, I'm trying to rely on my intuition more as I usually kick myself when my intuition says to do one thing (which would have been correct), but then I override my intuition because "the solver says to do this". Especially in games where your opponents are not playing solver-based lines - I think you have to be more creative in these situations.

What I don't really get... PLO is easy AF, how can anyone with a brain be a full time player and not completely crush the game lol?

You can literally wait for the nuts against fish and make a lot of money. Where's that rocket science?

I was actually contemplating PM'ing you to get in touch for potentially some coaching, but figured this post would be better.

The rake is huge.

If u wanna start out at micros. Theres only a select few places to play at where the rake is less than 10bb/100. Some sites/apps is like way over 20bb/100.

It’s not just about nutpeddling. Granted this strat works well in low stakes games against soft opposition. But you can’t crush bigger games this way, perceptive opponents will see right through your strategy and quickly adjust by overfolding against you. You have to keep them guessing too and have some bluffs.

here comes myself stacking off with 5 high flushes and and trips on paired boards. i guess i am braindead

Haha yeah the latter is very relatable. I'm still torn about the right exact balance between intuition and solver. Sometimes your intuition also fools you.

Its super frustrating when you pay a valuebet in spite of your intuition because you don't want to go too far out of range. But then sometimes I show a hh to a friend where I make a fold because of intuition and he's like "??? you folded a fullhouse" and I look at it again and go oh **** what the hell did i do.

About Jnandez, I think his material is great intro to plo and he's a savy businessman. Props to him.

The part that I don't like is him marketing himself as a HS reg, for example when asked if he's in the op 10 he could just say answer with "I'm just a midstakes reg but I love explaining theory to you guys" but instead responds that its hard to say because there are different formats like hu vs 6m vs short stack so hard to put an exact top 10. Along with marketing very specific games that were pre agreed upon like action vs sammy or 500/1k on coin which is probably not for real money as if he's a regular in those.

Or incorrectly critiquing actually good HS play where he's either plain wrong or focusing on irrelevant details like this player made a -0.05bb mistake preflop.

His material is great intro to range construction but misses IMO what poker is really about. I think understanding theory is about a lot more than just knowing what blockers are good to play here and there. Its about really understanding interactions and ratio's and how to adjust them to your opponent. I think people deserve to know that following the path laid out on that site will not and can not get you beyond 1/2.

Venividi on the other hand is a very good, very smart and humble player. I like the guy. He made a million this year. I think watching his stream is great. Striking about him is indeed that his overall approach and execution is really good and his theory a little weaker.

We must have been playing against each other

I also think you are being harsh on Jnandez. Yes, hes a nit. But to say hes not beating 500 PLO makes you look kind of stupid tbh. Whats ur SN on coin?

Not really if you know who this person is. He was top 5 at HUSNG player in the world for many years. Started doing mathematical studying before solvers, and is currently quite successful PLO+ player playing stakes above jnandez

Well, that might be true. But the 500 plo comment is still stupid. And it would be stupid even if it came from an actual top reg like rahm.

And does he really market himself as a HS reg?

Yeah he does, which is why I feel compelled to say something. Obviously if he did not market himself as a HS reg it would be a dick move to bash him for no reason.

But I know that to low/mid stakes players this might not be obvious and I think they deserve to know.

I think it’s fair people stand up for him but I also don’t think it’s very interesting or fruitful to continue about it beyond this post.

I will not share my coin SN here. But if you want to take a shot at me and you’re serious I’ll be happy to arrange a hu match for a set number of hands at 25/50.

I was not trying to challenge you for a hu match, was just trying to see if you actually was competent enough to make your comments. But fair enough, i see your side and i do kind of agree.

Can you update with some results over the last yr since you made the op? Did you stick with 1k hands a day and 3-5 hrs of studying and hit your $30k a month goal? Thanks.

Sure I get that you just wanted to call me out which is fair but thought I’d give you the opportunity to have some skin in the game in doing so.

Sadly it’s still been dominated by a difficult battle with Lyme disease. The first half year I have not been able to do any poker at all.

Since June I’ve been able to pick it up. Hit the study goal more often than not. Volume has been difficult. Profitable over 25k hands at 10/20 and 25/50. Not a significant sample but played 90%+ vs regs and in my own objective and humble opinion am beating these stakes. So the only thing in the way of the monthly 30-50k profit goal is volume, which sadly is a function of my physical state. I’m fighting hard but it’s not entirely in my control and that’s the way it is for now.

generally speaking profitability at these stakes is a greater challenge than getting volume in. I do consider that a big win.