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01-31-2024 , 04:19 AM
Hello!
Is everything going as planned?
One question - do you use hud/tracker on the applications and if so, which ones?

Thanks GL!
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07-10-2024 , 06:22 AM
Unfortunately I’ve had a six month set back from having to battle this horrible Lyme disease. The damage of this interruption to what I was working towards is huge.

I live out of my truck in the god foresaken mountains because it is the only way my symptoms managble.

But ultimately there is a choice to make and that is to focus on moving forward.

I’m angry now. Let’s channel the frustration to make up for the lost time.

Just put in the first 3hrs of play and study this morning. I’m sharp and the rust is not bad at all. Solid fundamentals study pays off as it sticks well.

The goal: 50-100k/monthly winnings within 3 months time. Let’s see if we can do it.
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07-22-2024 , 08:20 AM
glgl, you can do it in 2 months good to see back in action. Post hands or send hands(can be even all of them lol)
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07-26-2024 , 01:03 AM
Thanks guys appreciate the kinds words and support.

Blog update:
Still been getting a lot of physical rest but my brain fog is starting to clear out. Small milestone: I played an 8h session 3 handed reg battle at 10/20 6card yesterday. This is very promising for my ability to focus and grind. Played good poker, a few sloppy mistakes like misreading my hand and still room for improvement.

Also a personal milestone: I lost 14BI and felt close to zero tilt or frustration over the session and kept playing strong poker.

How I study after a session like that:
Mark 20 hands during the session. Go deep on all of them before playing again.

For example, sb v btn 100bb 3b pot. I’m in the sb with AKT762ds. A34r flop. Cbet, call. Turn 7 with an SPR of 2. This is a fairly classic situation. A good flop for us OOP as the 3bettor and the nut worst turn for our range since IP clear has all the 56. For 2SPR I did what most people would do with my hand: close your eyes and rip it.

This is alright for given combo but it we go deeper into the spot we see that betting smaller, like half pot, is a better strategy here. The reason is that on such a straight completing turn we are mostly going to have hands like sets, two pairs and a few straights and lots of weak/mediocre one/2p type hands.

If we decide to just rip our good hands we allow our opponent to play perfect vs that size and more importantly we leave only weak hands in our checking range. Intuitively I expect most but the very best reg to be guilty of this mistake.

A better strategy is to barrel a balanced mixed of strong hands that can play rivers (2pairs with a nut gutter or straight blocker, sets with a straight blocker, straights) and check a few good hands as well like sets without blocker or even 2pairs with a straight blocker.


More importantly, if we assume most regs intuitively make the same mistake how can we best exploit that in this situation? Can you think of other board textures where this pattern would be similar?
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07-26-2024 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
Thanks guys appreciate the kinds words and support.

Blog update:
Still been getting a lot of physical rest but my brain fog is starting to clear out. Small milestone: I played an 8h session 3 handed reg battle at 10/20 6card yesterday. This is very promising for my ability to focus and grind. Played good poker, a few sloppy mistakes like misreading my hand and still room for improvement.

Also a personal milestone: I lost 14BI and felt close to zero tilt or frustration over the session and kept playing strong poker.

How I study after a session like that:
Mark 20 hands during the session. Go deep on all of them before playing again.

For example, sb v btn 100bb 3b pot. I’m in the sb with AKT762ds. A34r flop. Cbet, call. Turn 7 with an SPR of 2. This is a fairly classic situation. A good flop for us OOP as the 3bettor and the nut worst turn for our range since IP clear has all the 56. For 2SPR I did what most people would do with my hand: close your eyes and rip it.

This is alright for given combo but it we go deeper into the spot we see that betting smaller, like half pot, is a better strategy here. The reason is that on such a straight completing turn we are mostly going to have hands like sets, two pairs and a few straights and lots of weak/mediocre one/2p type hands.

If we decide to just rip our good hands we allow our opponent to play perfect vs that size and more importantly we leave only weak hands in our checking range. Intuitively I expect most but the very best reg to be guilty of this mistake.

A better strategy is to barrel a balanced mixed of strong hands that can play rivers (2pairs with a nut gutter or straight blocker, sets with a straight blocker, straights) and check a few good hands as well like sets without blocker or even 2pairs with a straight blocker.


More importantly, if we assume most regs intuitively make the same mistake how can we best exploit that in this situation? Can you think of other board textures where this pattern would be similar?
this is a huge punt. i would imagine a 6c solver would high freq check flop actually.
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07-26-2024 , 04:22 AM
You are mistaken. This is a near range bet in 5c otf. While we run into more straights in 6c, we also have more AA and we will have more random connectivity to back up our other hands.

On the turn bombing top two with a straight and fd blocker will likely still be a low frequency play. Just consider the range: we can bet straights, we can bet sets with blockers and redraws. Our bluffs will be top 2p with blockers. While a small size is better, ripping it is a 1-2bb error at most.
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07-28-2024 , 02:41 PM
I took a look and stand corrected. Thank you
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07-29-2024 , 11:15 AM
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07-29-2024 , 11:51 AM
Are you mainly focusing on app games? Think it will be worth your while to focus on the regular sites and more 4c. Gl gl
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07-29-2024 , 12:43 PM
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Are you mainly focusing on app games? Think it will be worth your while to focus on the regular sites and more 4c. Gl gl
5/6c in a good spot rn for midstakes imo, and only getting better as time goes on.
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08-01-2024 , 08:17 PM
hey best of luck, I played a lot on ClubGG mainly NLH and saw how great the plo5 games were. Definitely a flip fest with the antes and short stacks and such but I was thinking you could make a ton of profit there.

Btw, I would definitely recommend using asian hand converter w ClubGG. It will track player names and rake paid correctly so you can get a better understanding of winrates. glgl
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08-01-2024 , 11:57 PM
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hey best of luck, I played a lot on ClubGG mainly NLH and saw how great the plo5 games were. Definitely a flip fest with the antes and short stacks and such but I was thinking you could make a ton of profit there.

Btw, I would definitely recommend using asian hand converter w ClubGG. It will track player names and rake paid correctly so you can get a better understanding of winrates. glgl
Thanks! I started using asianhand converter along with DriveHud which is the best tracking software I’ve ever used. I’m not good with configuring software and h2n was always a nightmare to use. Drivehud is intuitive and user friendly the way an iPhone is.

Update: we’re gaining momentum. Right now I’m crushing 10/20 which I feel very comfortable at. There is a common viewpoint that the difference between 10/20 and 25/50+ is mostly a matter of bankroll and emotional management. This could not be further from the truth. While I feel extremely confident playing reg heavy line ups at 10/20 that confidence gets crushed when I sit down at 25/50.

The regs at 5/10 and 10/20 are quite predictable, unbalanced in spots and lack a certain killer instinct. But at 25/50 everyone is extremely aggressive and even if they make fundamental mistakes here and there they are all tough. At 10/20 I can tune into my reads and exploit quite far out of range. But at 25/50 attempting to do so backfires and the proper approach is to exploit more at the margins.

Confidence can be a dangerous thing, it can make you arrogant and this can make you vulnerable.

The proper approach now is humility: continue the process, play the pool at 10/20, carefully game select to ease into 25/50+.

There is that Warren Buffett quote in investing: investing is about waiting for the right pitch. You don’t have to swing at every ball.

I’ve found the same to be true when it comes to reads and exploits. Whenever I try to exploit my opponents to hard and make genius poker happen I just end up spewing. You have to play solid poker and wait for the openings to show themselves. Stick to your gameplan and wait for the next exploits to show up.
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08-02-2024 , 12:04 PM
What do you think about 1k and 2k on major unions? Diamond, paradise, RGS and Panam. GL on breaking through to 5k!
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08-04-2024 , 02:50 AM
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What do you think about 1k and 2k on major unions? Diamond, paradise, RGS and Panam. GL on breaking through to 5k!
I have no idea what any of those are, are those club unions?

I play mostly just CGG and have a great relation with a trustworthy agent that finds the clubs for me. While you should be very careful on apps (and online poker in general) I have a level of trust with my agent where I can feel confident in outsourcing that job entirely to him.
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08-04-2024 , 02:53 AM
Update:

Almost have 10k hands in since starting back up, overall feeling very good at my level of play and it’s been well over expectation. That said there is of course still plenty of room for improvement and my study routine has been good.

Results -50bb/100 over those hands… yikes. I got slightly tilted from runbad in my last session and ended up making a gto river call that I knew was likely a losing call. I quit after that but should have quit before it happened. The most dangerous is when we are feeling confident.
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08-04-2024 , 02:58 AM
The key to beating plo and how to study

The key to beating midstakes/other regs is understanding how their range constructions lead to imbalances by the turn and especially by the river. This is actually something the old school players pre solver were good at because there was no other way to win but I feel that it’s something people have become worse at.

Particularly in plo you should largely forget about the theoretical notion of I have to call x/y/z part of my range to this size bet on the river. For starters ranges can not be so easily broken down in percentages vs sizes in plo but more importantly the way all but the very best players construct their ranges leading up to the river leads to heavily distorted ranges on many run outs.

This holds true for any form of poker but particularly so in plo and even more in 5c/6c.

When studying with trainer/solver the goal should be to understand how range construction should work and how different player types will deviate and what the implications are on later streets.

What you should not do is mindlessly take an isolated line of the game tree and hammer out the actions for each combos/blockers in trainer. While this can be helpful within a larger framework by itself this will not lead to great poker.
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08-04-2024 , 05:12 AM
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I have no idea what any of those are, are those club unions?

I play mostly just CGG and have a great relation with a trustworthy agent that finds the clubs for me. While you should be very careful on apps (and online poker in general) I have a level of trust with my agent where I can feel confident in outsourcing that job entirely to him.
They are pokerbros unions. ClubGG has felt quite nice yeah.
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08-04-2024 , 10:35 AM
Just binged this entire jewel of a thread. So many gems in here it should be behind a paywall. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us and GL with your goals.
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08-07-2024 , 05:23 AM
What are your thoughts on openlimping UTG/MP in 6c in general? What would you do with a hand like e.g. KKJJ83 ds (to K and to J) in MP at a loose passive table ?
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08-07-2024 , 05:48 AM
Thanks for all the kind words guys. It’s really great to hear the content is appreciated. Poker has given me so much so it’s an honour to give back and inspire others.

Short update:

Playing very good poker now, very comfortable and confident at 10/20. I feel ready for 25/50 but when we are confident is when the danger is greatest. So I will remain disciplined, continue what’s working and carefully enter some softer 25/50 line ups.

The power of compound interest at work. Tiny consistent improvements over time.

When you’re playing mark all spots/ranges you don’t feel sure about. Over a few days zoom out: what spots are the most recurring and valuable? Focus your study there. Don’t hammer the trainer mindlessly just focussing on blockers. Really try to distill the key concepts, understand those concepts and then see if you can cross apply them to other spots. Where do you still struggle?

Figure out the key concept/lesson te be learned. But don’t stop there, at that moment begin practice. Open several related instances in trainer and now hammer until flawless. Now we have really ingrained the lesson. Do this every day and after some time you’ll truly understand most of the game tree. It is at this moment, when you don’t have to think about gto anymore, that great poker can come. When all the fundamentals have become intuitive your outlook on the game will be so clear and effortless that creativity can flow.
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08-07-2024 , 05:49 AM
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What are your thoughts on openlimping UTG/MP in 6c in general? What would you do with a hand like e.g. KKJJ83 ds (to K and to J) in MP at a loose passive table ?
Most the games on apps play with a lot of ante structures so limping is a crucial strategy from all positions.

But even when playing without antes and from EP I would always consider the limping option. At LAP tables I expect that a good chunk of your EP vpip can be played as limps, exactly with the kind of combos you describe.
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08-08-2024 , 12:50 AM
Thanks for your answer, glad you are doing well, GL!!
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08-08-2024 , 09:53 AM
Just started reading thru the thread. You're level of thinking definitely is pretty high, am excited to read thru the rest.

Never even though about different categories of exploits, super interesting stuff
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08-09-2024 , 03:01 AM
Great read so far! Good luck at the tables and with the illness. Sent you PM.
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08-09-2024 , 02:27 PM
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