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04-03-2020 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
You dont need a 500NL reg to tell you that people's x range oop in general are super unbalanced and weak lul, especially live players or these donks on these shady ass apps. Anyone good player at even 25NL or even 10NL knows that

PIO is a much better investment than any coach could offer anybody but people are just damn too lazy to figure out how to use it. Yep, keep dumping 7% of your roll biweekly or whatever on coaching lul
He went into waaaaaay more detail than that. He showed us specific hands, specific board textures, exactly what hands Pio bets, exactly what bet sizes Pio uses, how node locking changes everything, etc.

There were some pretty cool hand histories he showed us too, such as overbetting the river with 99 on a Q75Q2 board after the turn went check-check and the OOP player checked river as well. And he explained the psychology behind it, why players are hesitant to overbet in that spot, and why it's super profitable to overbet, even though it looks very counterintuitive.
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04-03-2020 , 04:02 AM
I feel like I've received a $60 coaching lesson tonight for free.
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04-03-2020 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
He went into waaaaaay more detail than that. He showed us specific hands, specific board textures, exactly what hands Pio bets, exactly what bet sizes Pio uses, how node locking changes everything, etc.

There were some pretty cool hand histories he showed us too, such as overbetting the river with 99 on a Q75Q2 board after the turn went check-check and the OOP player checked river as well. And he explained the psychology behind it, why players are hesitant to overbet in that spot, and why it's super profitable to overbet, even though it looks very counterintuitive.
I was going to roast you again for how dumb it is to get coaching from a dude who specializes in theory/pio while you have done zero of both for 7% of your net worth biweekly or whatever, but hey at least it's a lot more solid than buying $200 worth of face crean or degenning it up for drinks and a night of gambooool. So i guess it's not too bad lol

No one cares how cool that overbet for value is there. You'll never be able to construct a proper OB range there without PIO no matter how good your coach or how good he teaches. You'll just be guessing or spazzing random ass combos, like always. But id never imagine you'd be not lazy enough to use pio.

And the fact that he even shows that hand seems like a huge waste of time to me for first lesson. You literally learn nothing from that. You dont even know how to overbet turns correctly; river overbets are like one of the last things you should be learning in pio. It's like tryna teach a baby how to sprint. Seems pretty dumb to me

Outside of this session, when was the last time you even studied? You cant call yourself a poker pro or hope to have a candle of hope to succeed if you dont study. You're just Godmoding rn but soon enough it'll come crashing down

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04-03-2020 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
how node locking changes everything, etc.
wait what?! node locking changes everything? so if we remove certain bluffs it changes the strat? are you sure?!?
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04-03-2020 , 05:11 AM
6bm, take this piece of advice however you will.

Sometimes the biggest improvements in WR comes from the simplest of changes to our game. Up until a couple of years ago, I spent 9-10 years playing HUSNGs refusing to let anyone donk bet into me post-flop when I'd raised pre on the button. It pretty much became a personal vendetta because I had raised, I had the initiative, donk betting is weak and I'm not going to just give up pots that easily. A lot of the time raising or floating would work, I could take it down on later streets but a not insignificant % of the time, I would end up punting off my stack for the sake of what was a very small pot.

I took a conscious decision not too long ago to just accept that some players are going to use this strategy and there's far better ways of dealing with it than just spewing to assert some sort of dominance from the button. Since then my WR has increased massively and I haven't needed a solver for it.

My point is that there are likely similar types of leaks in your own game that a coach could fix which would increase your WR by a few bb/100 without the need for ridiculously complex spots which are likely not even needed at the stakes you play. Minatorr sums it up well above. You probably have a decent fundamental understanding of poker but if I were playing against you I would let you hang yourself post-flop in every pot that we play as you have this seeming need to be the table hero at all times, whether that's calling or bluffing (and showing).

I know I've given you **** in here but I do believe you could make some decent money from poker if you bluffed a lot less.
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04-03-2020 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
I was going to roast you again for how dumb it is to get coaching from a dude who specializes in theory/pio while you have done zero of both for 7% of your net worth biweekly or whatever, but hey at least it's a lot more solid than buying $200 worth of face crean or degenning it up for drinks and a night of gambooool. So i guess it's not too bad lol

No one cares how cool that overbet for value is there. You'll never be able to construct a proper OB range there without PIO no matter how good your coach or how good he teaches. You'll just be guessing or spazzing random ass combos, like always. But id never imagine you'd be not lazy enough to use pio.

And the fact that he even shows that hand seems like a huge waste of time to me for first lesson. You literally learn nothing from that. You dont even know how to overbet turns correctly; river overbets are like one of the last things you should be learning in pio. It's like tryna teach a baby how to sprint. Seems pretty dumb to me

Outside of this session, when was the last time you even studied? You cant call yourself a poker pro or hope to have a candle of hope to succeed if you dont study. You're just Godmoding rn but soon enough it'll come crashing down
+1

I work my butt off in solvers and I play much lower than OP. Focusing on gaining a little bit of EV on river OB strategies is a waste of time if you don't have a solid understanding of something basic (yet hard) like different SRP flop strategies on various textures both OOP and IP. These are the most frequent spots where you either burn money over time or make money by stacking up on optimal decisions. Doesn't matter how good you are at spotting if the river is a 3/4 bet or an overbet shove it you don't know how to play earlier streets properly.

Not trying to bash OP's coach, showing some cool hands doesn't mean that's the only thing he's coaching. But based on OP's HH's the focus should shift towards basic theory starting from preflop, and there is nothing wrong or embarrassing about that.

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04-03-2020 , 05:32 AM
With the cashing out, ending the loan, and getting some high level coaching might as well rename the thread. Having a really bad downswing immediately after making poker goals. It's inevitable the play bad run bad is right around the corner. Not to jinx you OP but I've been there before.
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04-03-2020 , 06:45 AM
"Suppose I'm drunk and mad, I turn on my PC and go into self sabotage mode by sitting down at $5/$10 PLO. Would I rather have $6k in my account or $3k in my account when this happens? It's safer to only have what I need in my account."

Wasn't the plan that your loaners/backers kept the money in chunks of 1k, excactly in order to prevent this?

Good luck.
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04-03-2020 , 06:57 AM
Imagine being a professional at anything and making allowances to lose what amounts to 100+ hours of work just because you're drunk. Just another obvious troll but I did chuckle so ty for that 6b.

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04-03-2020 , 07:01 AM
OP, i am going to a homegame tonight. Its a round of each game, one round NL one round PLO. Sometimes the PLO hands makes me crazy and i feel the urge inside to spew off buyins if i get sucked out in a big pot from one of the whales. I know this is your speciality.

How do you recommend i go ahead regarding to stoploss, and how many buyins i am gonna bring to the game? The game is ubersoft and i have a huge edge in the game.
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04-03-2020 , 07:44 AM
6betme, have you ever decided to dabble in regspeed HUSNGs?

If you want a format of poker to bluff often, hero call, and play off of reads/game flow, this is definitely the game to partake in as that kind of play is often rewarded.
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04-03-2020 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
There were some pretty cool hand histories he showed us too, such as overbetting the river with 99 on a Q75Q2 board after the turn went check-check and the OOP player checked river as well. And he explained the psychology behind it, why players are hesitant to overbet in that spot, and why it's super profitable to overbet, even though it looks very counterintuitive.
That's a pretty obvious spot to bet big. Draws miss and top card pairs, making it less likely your opponent has it and even less likely if they didn't show aggression on earlier streets. Even most fish can work that one out.

Why did you pay $60/hr for something that should have been easy to figure out yourself?
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04-03-2020 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
That's a pretty obvious spot to bet big. Draws miss and top card pairs, making it less likely your opponent has it and even less likely if they didn't show aggression on earlier streets. Even most fish can work that one out.

Why did you pay $60/hr for something that should have been easy to figure out yourself?
There is a good quote, not sure whether its in English (English not my mother tongue). Its goes: "Good heart, naked ass"
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04-03-2020 , 12:15 PM
There are definitely a lot of jealous haters that wish they could be living the dream right now but I do think there are better ways for your to spend your money right now other than coaching sessions.

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04-03-2020 , 02:03 PM
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Imagine being a professional at anything and making allowances to lose what amounts to 100+ hours of work just because you're drunk. Just another obvious troll but I did chuckle so ty for that 6b.

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04-03-2020 , 03:35 PM
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04-04-2020 , 05:46 AM
Man it's insane how much groceries cost these days. I've literally spent $280 in the past week on groceries. Like just food and stuff at the supermarket.

I thought I was saving myself money by going to a butcher and buying meat there so I could cook it myself at home... nope. 8 pieces of steak cost $80. And when I cooked it for my wife, my brother and my mum, that's only 2 meals each.

I also bought back my copy of Pio for $200. I think it's a pretty essential tool for me trying to improve my game, especially since most of my coaching lessons involve using Pio.

So I had to withdraw another 300 USD from my bankroll to afford all of this. Luckily I won 100 USD today at the tables. So my new figures are:

Bankroll: $2900
Profit at 100nl: $3500
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04-04-2020 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Man it's insane how much groceries cost these days. I've literally spent $280 in the past week on groceries. Like just food and stuff at the supermarket.

I thought I was saving myself money by going to a butcher and buying meat there so I could cook it myself at home... nope. 8 pieces of steak cost $80. And when I cooked it for my wife, my brother and my mum, that's only 2 meals each.

I also bought back my copy of Pio for $200. I think it's a pretty essential tool for me trying to improve my game, especially since most of my coaching lessons involve using Pio.

So I had to withdraw another 300 USD from my bankroll to afford all of this. Luckily I won 100 USD today at the tables. So my new figures are:

Bankroll: $2900
Profit at 100nl: $3500
I still believe 99% of what you post but this is for sure a troll. Haha.
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04-04-2020 , 07:40 AM
You thought you were saving money by going to a professional butcher and buying top quality meat there? Lmao.
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04-04-2020 , 07:55 AM
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I still believe 99% of what you post but this is for sure a troll. Haha.
Thought exactly the same.
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04-04-2020 , 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
You thought you were saving money by going to a professional butcher and buying top quality meat there? Lmao.
He won like 100$ the next day by butchering some hands, so he freerolled the steaks and then some.
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04-04-2020 , 08:32 AM
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You thought you were saving money by going to a professional butcher and buying top quality meat there? Lmao.
Not sure about the meat quality???

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8 pieces of steak cost $80.
in Brit money that's a fiver a steak??? You wouldn't **** supermarket junk steak for that in the old country.

8 X 6 oz Aberdeen Angus fillets would leave no change out if $Aus240 from my local butcher.

didn't know Australia was so cheap....hmmm
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04-04-2020 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
I still believe 99% of what you post but this is for sure a troll. Haha.
How's it a troll? Do you want me to upload a pic of the steak I cook next time as proof?

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You thought you were saving money by going to a professional butcher and buying top quality meat there? Lmao.
It was just an average butcher in a supermarket. Wasn't even a fancy one.

I genuinely didn't realise how much raw meat cost.

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He won like 100$ the next day by butchering some hands, so he freerolled the steaks and then some.
That's a good way of thinking about it. Free steak

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Not sure about the meat quality???



in Brit money that's a fiver a steak??? You wouldn't **** supermarket junk steak for that in the old country.

8 X 6 oz Aberdeen Angus fillets would leave no change out if $Aus240 from my local butcher.

didn't know Australia was so cheap....hmmm
Yeah I guess when I convert this to other currencies, it's only 6 USD per steak, or 5 British Pounds per steak, which sounds a lot cheaper. Still felt like a lot though. They should've given me a discount for buying in bulk.

I got 4 x scotch fillets and 4 x rib eyes.
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04-04-2020 , 09:34 AM
Save your pennies and just get chicken breast fillets and frozen vsgies from Aldi.
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04-04-2020 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Man it's insane how much groceries cost these days. I've literally spent $280 in the past week on groceries. Like just food and stuff at the supermarket.

I thought I was saving myself money by going to a butcher and buying meat there so I could cook it myself at home... nope. 8 pieces of steak cost $80. And when I cooked it for my wife, my brother and my mum, that's only 2 meals each.

I also bought back my copy of Pio for $200. I think it's a pretty essential tool for me trying to improve my game, especially since most of my coaching lessons involve using Pio.

So I had to withdraw another 300 USD from my bankroll to afford all of this. Luckily I won 100 USD today at the tables. So my new figures are:

Bankroll: $2900
Profit at 100nl: $3500
You shouldn't be buying high quality fresh premium steak on your budget. Buy frozen meat, meat substitutes or avoid meat altogether.

On the one hand you say you want to spend as little as possible, then you go and buy only the finest cuts of meat available. Your words and actions always contradict each other.
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