That's the way brah. I'd take the $900 and get 10 tatted up chicks and heaps of booze and live it up in your moms basement.

Hey Spyutastic! There is a decent chance you might not remember me, but If I remember correctly I played you at 200NL on BetOnline back in the day. I was on a massive downswing at the time. I remember a hand where I bet a majority of my stack on the river. You made a tiny raise all-in and I was about to call, when I said to myself "you know what, **** it, they always have it here." and folded. You ended up showing the bluff with ace high.

Also in an MTT you knocked me out when I 3-bet jammed way too wide vs. your raise.

I'm always on a massive downswing. Down 700 buy-ins in $100 live mtts.

Hey there. I do remember your SN though I don't remember the hand, but sounds like something I'd do yeah haha.

You still playing on there? Did you get over your downswing?

Wow how did I miss this thread till now? You're back lol. Seems like you haven't learned from any of your past mistakes. What a shame to see.

Well I hope it goes well for you anyway, good luck!

Laughed out loud at this. I love his logic "you could get cancer or die in a car crash, therefore I'm not using proper bankroll management".

Me to, its just too good to be true. But hey, what could go wrong? Unemployed,living in his moms basement, grinding unregulated sites on the phone with $900 to your name.

I just read the original post (about 7 highly unproductive work days) -was kind of sad at the finale, like when you've watched a long running series and get to know all the characters, and then it ends.

Then saw this and it's like OH HELL YEAH, in on the ground floor in the reboot.

So many great posters, like Isolated, Feel Wrath, Rick, some other folks.

Just happy to be here and watch the trainwreck.

(I will say, if this isn't a troll - 60/40 against, I'd say - keeping that kind attitude and still updating with HH and life moments was very resilient. I mean, you did ragingly stupid things, but at least you kept a kinda nice, if not naive, defiant attitude about it.)

GLGLGL

Oh ****, this is great. I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS:

1. Why do you feel that grinding 40nl on one app is making you more money than driving for Uber?

2. How often are you using that PIO that you bought?

3. How often are you eating at KFC? Is it still more +ev to eat at KFC than making food yourself? Why/why not?

4. Is your wife still an abusive alcoholic?

5. Why haven't you gotten one of those easy 50k/yr jobs your buddy was talking about in the other thread?

6. In your goal list, you didn't mention moving out of your mom's basement with your wife. Why not? Is the long term goal to live with your family for the foreseeable future?

7. How much rakeback are you getting on the app?

Great to have you back! Crush it in 2020!

I still play on there and I did eventually get out of that downswing. I took about a year or so break from poker, but I've been getting back into it lately. I'm a bit too scared to go back up to the stakes I used to play at even though I'm properly rolled for it. I may be outclassed there and I don't feel like losing money. Competition is pretty tough, at least for me. I've been getting more experience in short stacked tourneys as of late. Results are easier to measure and it feels good to know for certain when you have an edge.

Nice glad to hear it. Yeah I've heard that site is pretty tough. For me the player pool was just too small.

The most insane cash game I've ever seen

So around midnight two nights ago, I opened up the app and sat down at a couple of 60nl tables. I quickly noticed that everyone on one of the tables was much deeper stacked than usual. There were 5 players on $250+ stacks, with the chip leader having a $470 stack. I made a comment in the chat about how everyone has such big stacks, and one player replied "we're playing 0.3/0.6/15".

After a couple of minutes, I began to realise what he was talking about, when I see one player open raise to ~$14 then call a 3bet jam of $120 with 75o. And this guy was almost to my direct right, with a $350 stack. I had the Jesus seat. This was the dream.

I topped up to $120 (max buyin) to maximise my EV against the whale. I didn't expect him to stay for very long, as I'd had experience in live poker of maniacs quickly busting and then walking away, so I wanted to get in a few +EV flips against him before he inevitably went broke.

Soon I see a 3way all-in where the hands shown are: AKo vs AQo vs A5o. Of course, the whale has A5o and rivers a 5 to pick up a $620 pot. I've never seen a 1 pair hand win a >1000bb pot before this.

Pretty soon we're dealt AJo. The whale opens to $12 and the player to his direct left flats $12. Now it's on me. I'm sweating a bit because my bankroll is only around $700 at this stage, but I know what I must do: I rip it in for $120. The whale pretty much snap calls and the other player folds. The whale has J6s. I offer to run it 3 times, and to my surprise, the whale actually accepts. We get a nice clean runout on all 3 boards and successfully double up (+$130).

Soon our stack is $320 and the whale covers us. The whale opens to $18 this time in MP and the HJ flats $18. We look down at AKhh in the CO. I contemplate jamming $320, but I have seen the whale make some folds when nitty players rip in 500bbs+ pre, so I ultimately decide to 3bet to $72 instead, to tempt him to get involved with some dominated hands. The whale calls $72, the HJ now jams $76 and we both call his $76. So there's a $228 locked pot with $246 behind. The board comes Q9xxx and we check it down to see the whale scoop with K9o. Oh well, could've gotten stacked if we jammed pre, so I can't be too upset about that one.

My stack dwindles down a bit but eventually, I stack off for $230 pre against the whale with AKo vs AJo, we run it 3 times, I scoop on 2 boards and chop on the third board, bringing me up to a $400 stack.

After a bit more dwindling, I decide to do some calculations. My bankroll is $980. My stack is $370. The whale's stack is $600. "At what point should I cashout?", I asked myself. On one hand, I will probably never get a chance to earn this much EV in my entire life, but on the other hand, having almost half my bankroll on one table feels pretty reckless.

I pass up on a few +EV spots when I get nervous for the amount of money I'm playing for. To give an example: the whale opens in UTG+1 to $60.90 (yep you read that correctly) and I look down at KTs with $360 effective. I decide to fold because even though I'm probably a slight favourite against his range, I'm just not comfortable taking this flip for that amount of money. Another hand: UTG limps $0.60, whale jams $270 UTG+1, hero folds BTN with KQo. It was a combination of not wanting to risk so much on such a small edge, and also a slight fear that UTG could be trapping with some nutted limps, or one of the other players behind could wake up with a monster.

But then eventually, this hand happens:

60nl, $260 effective
Whale opens $12 UTG
Hero calls $12 UTG+2 with AJo (I should've 3bet pre but I was playing scared money)

Flop ($25) is T53

Whale bets $18
Hero calls $18 (Why didn't I just fold here?)

Turn ($61) is T53Q

Whale bets $40
Hero calls $40

River ($141) is T53QJ

Whale jams $190
Hero ???



Unfortunately, I was playing 2 x 60nl tables at the same time, and the other one wasn't going too well either. I had stacked off for 200bbs pre with QQ vs KK, convincing myself that the other player was a reg and could have some 4bet bluffs. I lost a bunch of other pots there too and was probably down about $200 on that table.

And then to top it all off, the table I was on broke. I was too busy messaging some friends at this point to realise that the whale was playing on 3 other 60nl tables at the same time. By the time I cooled off and checked the lobby, which typically only has about 25 players in the entire 60nl pool at this ungodly hour of night, I found ridiculously long waiting lists on all 3 tables that the whale was on. There were 12 players waiting to sit down at one of the tables, and one player, I'm not exaggerating here, had literally a $1950 stack at 60nl! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.

So I'd lost a huge chunk of my bankroll, I was tilting hard at not only misplaying the AJo hand but also missing the opportunity to play more hands against the whale, I had an argument with a real life friend, and everything was falling to pieces. I rage quit. I can't remember what my bankroll fell to exactly, but it would've been somewhere around $600.

I was intending to update this thread that night, but I was so tilted that I didn't want to post. I just watched netflix, youtube and played chess instead. Bad habits, I know. But I figured it was better than playing when tilted or doing anything that might make myself more tilted.

So yesterday and today, I grinded more. A mix of 40nl and 60nl. These hands were all relatively boring compared to the whale hands from the previous night, but for the most part, I felt I was not only outplaying my opponents hard, bluffing and bluff catching at the perfect moments, but also running hot and hitting boards hard. In just 2 days, I got the bankroll up from ~$600 to $1170, after which I proceeded to withdraw $70 for liferoll purposes, leaving the bankroll at $1100 now.

I'm no longer tilted, my bankroll is no longer dangerously low for the stakes I'm playing, and I've regained so much confidence after that short but sweet heater. Now, since it's Valentine's Day, I plan to take the rest of the day off and spend time with my wife. I shall answer everyone's questions later.

Nobody's surprised.

Good job getting your roll to $1k+. gogogo but stay at $60 for a while

My favorite two bits.

lul. Did she at least buy you something for valentines this time?

Started typing a suggestion but realised the futility of it.

4 fig bankroll, leggo!

You were playing deep 2/5 games like 6 months ago that were the softest in the world and now you're saying this whales $600 is the biggest opportunity you've ever had? What?

Remarkable recall of detail Op has for a man playing several tables on his phone without a tracker. Seem to recall this amazing eidetic memory of his being up for discussion in the original thread.

Great skillz...wish I had them.

Pity it doesn't help his actual poker skills though.

I've got to you say. You are a captivating writer. That was intense!

A guy with $2000ish at 60nl is quite impressive. Probably made his winrate sky rocket high.

Playing with wild players like that can be some of the most exhilarating yet frustrating experiences.

OP, what are you eating each day? Still eating KFC/similar fast food or do you finally make your own food now?

2/11
2/14
"around midnight 2 nights ago"

/does math/

so 2/12

so on 2/11, you're "maybe going to play 1 table of 60 nl" and 1 night later, with not a significant change in BR, you auto fire up 2 tables of 60nl. it's really no wonder you continue to be broke. you have zero self control.

Both were 4bet pots. Both involved weak overpairs on either T77r or T53r. Both were LP vs BTN. They're remarkably similar spots.

Well I'm not actually living in a basement. It's a small bedroom at the end of the house. But yeah the rest is true.

There's a big difference between listening to advice vs blindly doing what other people tell you. I listen to all the advice I get. I carefully analyse it, cross-reference it with other advice that I get from other people, and ultimately come to a conclusion that I think is the most logical.

Even in this thread, you'll see some people have suggested dropping down to 20nl, whilst others have suggested withdrawing it all and playing live 1/3, or even withdrawing it all and cheating on my wife with some women with tattoos. The advice I get ranges dramatically, so I can't just blindly do what everyone tells me to do. I have to actually stop and think about the consequences and likely outcome of each decision.

It's not really as bad as you're making it out to be:
1) I have a safety net if things go wrong and I bust.
2) There's a gap on my resume anyway, so another year can't hurt.
3) I'm still relatively young (25y) and I'll probably never get a chance to do this once I'm in my 30s or 40s and I'm tied down to a soul-sucking, time-draining, full-time job, so I want to make the most of my present opportunity.

Obviously starting with a $900 bankroll isn't ideal, but sometimes in poker, you raise pre with JJ and the flop comes AQ2 and you just have to play the cards you're dealt as best as you can, even if the situation is far from an optimal one.

Thank you!

In theory, if I was a robot that was completely immune to tilt or jumping stakes, then I'd honestly say my RoR would be less than 1%. That's because my plan involves moving down to 20nl if my bankroll gets below $200.

In reality, maybe there's a 10% chance I bust, but I still expect to succeed 90% of the time.

Yeah I agree that cold calling 3bets is almost always torching money. I try not to do it very often, if at all.

Yeah I am open to the idea of getting a job and playing poker on the side. Poker has been going well recently, but I will seriously consider this if my bankroll starts to drop, especially if it gets down to $200 or less.

And thank you!

I do listen to advice though. But sometimes, other people don't always know what's best for me. I don't think it's arrogant for me to say that.

If I hit a jackpot and my bankroll suddenly jumped to $5k overnight, I would honestly just play 100nl. I'm taking riskier shots at the early stages because there's less damage to clean up if I go busto, but I plan to become more conservative with my BRM as it gets bigger.

So maybe the train wreck you're waiting for will never happen... sorry to disappoint.

Thank you. But I assure you that I'm receiving nothing off Centrelink (welfare) and haven't received a single dollar from them since the day I first went pro a few years ago.

1. With Uber, you would actually lose money if you take a week off. I calculated that with car rent, I had to work around 20hrs per week just to break even, and only if I did more than that would I actually make a profit. But with poker, if I take a week off, I break even, and if I play 20hrs in a week, then I'm winning a decent amount of EV. There's no vaccuum cleaner on my bank account that is sucking out money at a fixed rate anymore, ever since I returned the car.

2. I actually pawned my Pio to a friend. The agreement we had was that he would give me $200 for it (even though I paid closer to $400ish), but in return, I have the option of buying it back off him for $200 at any time I want. Tbh though, I find that it's easier to allow someone else to do the calculations for you and for them to just spit out a conclusion, like the YouTube channel FindingEquilibrium does.

3. I don't eat fast food anywhere near as often as I used to. I'm mostly at home all day, so I've been eating a lot of frozen oven food and frozen microwavable food. The main reason I used to eat fast food so often was because it was convenient. Like if I'm at the casino and there's a KFC open till 4am every night, it's just easier to buy that than go all the way home to cook.

4. Honestly she's more good than bad. Most days she doesn't drink. And even if she does get drunk and silly from time to time, nobody is perfect. Everyone has flaws.

For every one bad trait my wife has, she has 10 good traits to make up for that. One of the things I love about her, which is so exceedingly rare to find in a girl, is the fact that she is willing to look beyond her own personal biases to support my passions. She has a brother who is a gambling addict, and she is vehemently opposed to his behaviour (as she should be). But she is so open-minded that she is able to logically recognise the difference between me and him, and support my passion to become a professional gambler, despite the extremely negative experiences she's had so far with gambling.

Basically no other girl on the planet would do that. Most people are pretty closed-minded as it is, but once you factor in a personal bias (family member is gambling addict), there is virtually a 0% chance that they'll ever support you in that regard, even if you can prove to them that you're a successful, winning, +EV gambler. This is what makes my wife exceptional. And this is one of many reasons why I love her.

5. The easiest way to make $50k/yr in my city with no experience and no resume is probably to work in sales doing outbound phone calls. As an introvert, the idea of spending 8hrs per day calling up angry customers and trying to sell stuff to them just gives me the shivers to even think about.

6. Moving out of home is a spendings goal, not an earnings goal. It's like saying I want to buy a car, go travelling or eat out at a fancy restaurant. The goals I set should be based upon how I intend to earn money, rather than how I intend to spend money.

7. Getting no rakeback because a friend loaned me 1200 USD interest-free, in return for my rakeback on the app. It seemed like a mutually beneficial deal. If it weren't for that loan, I wouldn't even have the opportunity to play poker at all right now.

I specifically told her not to buy me any presents, because I'd rather save our money for something tangible (money to grind and food to eat) than some symbolic flowers which have no real value and are just going to die soon anyway.

Very rarely did I play on a table where someone was going all-in pre with ATC. And on the few occasions it did happen, they wouldn't last more than 5 hands before they either lost their buyin and left the table, or just cashed out.

This guy had literally been playing like this for 500+ hands and had dropped at least $5k that night, just from 60nl. Like he would immediately rebuy anytime he busted and then just go all-in again, which is unprecedented.

So not only were insane winrates possible, but since this was jus 60nl and since you could wait until you're a 70%+ favourite on every flip, the downswings would be far less than they would at your average $2/$5 live table.

It's not that hard to remember a few hand histories that you just played, especially when you add in some notes on your phone during the session.

And even if I forget the HH exactly, I'll at least remember the most important details. Like whether someone opens UTG or UTG+1 isn't overly important, just as having a board of AQQ2 vs AQQ4 isn't that important either. As long as the key points of the hand are correct, then that's good enough.

Mostly oven food and microwavable food. Yesterday for example, my mum cooked pasta for all of us, and I added to this by putting some frozen chicken tenders in the oven and making some toast as well.

It would've been the midnight on the crossover between the 12th and 13th of February. So it's not as bad.

And also I'm not broke. I have a healthy $1100 bankroll to work with. As long as I play a mix of 40nl and 60nl, and avoid the 100nl tables for now, I should be just fine.

Wait, so you’re playing on borrowed money right now?

Ah ok i guess that's why your grinding apps on your phone while all the other aussie poker pros are grinding on ignition. I guess not everyone has your high level of careful cross referenced logical analysis.

lul

One thing I think everyone can confidently say about you is that you never disappoint and never will.

Its a pity one of those traits is not learning how to cook.

18bi br is not healthy. You need 50bi minimum. This was common information back in 2005.

Do you really think he would be playing on any other kind?