He has literally punted in very similar ways multiple times this year alone.

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No. His punts are different from that.

1k MTT on Ignition. I opened EP with whatever. CO flats the K7o.

Such a site is chock full of rando gamblers who have the same addiction problems as 6bm (and myself), but are way way worse at the actual game.

LET'S F****** GO!!!
6bet, you have more people rooting for you than against you. I don't post often but I read your blog almost everyday. =)

basically nobody is rooting against him.

of course not, thread would die

also, could really kick it up a notch if he had money to spend and play higher - pretty sure absolutely everyone here wants 6bm to succeed

strongly agree with whoever said he should go into vlogging, those sweet youtube checks could subsidize the aggression a la rampage

You must be new to this thread lol. OP flats half his 40bb stack with ATs just to see a flop. He would be be dead money on 10nl. You sound like one of those crappy 500 zone regs who think they are good at poker by beating up idiots who in reality could not beat 25 zoom.

Yeah you idiot. Don't you know the microstakes that JimmyBusto plays is where all the best players are!

Incorrect.

lol you're still going? Yes let's trust the lurker with 18 posts instead of bencb and Upswing
If you can find any mid/high stakes MTT players who agrees with your theory let me know

You can't piggyback off a guy who understands what he's talking about to justify your math and line of thinking that's still completely wrong.

Thanks for your post, it made me do a bit of digging in icmizer and gave me a slightly deeper understanding of bounty mechanics.

Yeah this is a good point. This is clearly true, though this effect should (?) be magnified the further away you get from the start of the tournament. It seems pretty reasonable to me hand 1 to take the bounty as equivalent to this amount of chips and then build in some edgepassing, which (edgepassing) will build in the effect of doubling our stack not quite doubling our ev in the bounty pool.

With that said, I think I still happen to be mostly correct but arguably more for luck reasons. 6b's hand was played in relatively early stages of the tournament which should lead to a relatively marginal divergence effect, which should in practice mean that the direct cev equivalence plus some edgepassing should not (?) be a bad heuristic approximation. And the general approach of treating bounties as some form of cev (although not one matching an exact starting stack) is still a perfectly good model to understand the math behind what's happening.

HRC documentation suggests that their calcs leave players post-hand with a proportional share of the remaining bounty pool, so if we bust someone early (where pool is relatively undepleted) we will be approaching a doubled cev equivalent value minus some change, unless I'm misunderstanding something.

This all stands in stark contrast to Simple Rick's approach which still seems to me to be complete nonsense.


This all seemed very complex to me with a lot of moving parts and is far more than 20 mins of messing around with a few unrealistic constructed examples could come close to covering But it seems clear from a logic perspective that if we consider bounty ev proportional to chip share relative to the remaining bounty pool, in the beginning of the tournament the cev value of a bounty will be quite close to the rule of thumb equivalence and as we progress throughout the tournament (and bounty pool gets depleted) the divergence will scale. Then also we have scaling icm effects and infinitely complex future game as tournament progresses to further complicate things? But in early and early-mid stages, the impact of all these confounding effects should be relatively minimized, no? Except for the future game one because everyone sucks lol.

Good post and thanks for sharing! I'd be happy to hear if you think this is far off somehow.

I want to see this happen, but it seems sad ol’ Jimmy B would prefer to pretend to not see it.

I also concur with this. 6bet youtube content would be quality. He would start out with a following from 2p2 which would be a nice springboard as would immediately hit the subscribers count needed to monetize! No harm in giving it a go and should generate more cash than the unemployment check!

Just read through all the comments I missed the past couple of days. It was a lot to go through, but I enjoyed it, especially the discussion around bounty tournament maths.

I also want to say thank you to those who were nice and supportive to me as I was losing at poker. It's never fun losing a massive chunk of your bankroll in a short time frame, and it's nice to know that not everyone's trying to kick me when I'm down.

I can't reply to each comment individually (because there's so many!) but I did want to respond to this one:

Thanks for taking the time to write out this thoughtful reply!

I mostly agree with you, although I'll say that I do think I've shown a good amount of restraint and discipline even at the poker tables. There's a fair bit of bias in the hands that I post, in that they're usually the big and/or interesting pots, as opposed to the small and standard pots, so you're not seeing everything just from reading the thread alone.

For example, there have been countless hands where I've had something like KJo/ATo and just folded pre after someone else opened. That's discipline, but it doesn't make it into the thread.

Regarding the possible course of action: I'll tally up all my results after this trip and come up with a plan then. It's tough for me to plan the future when the next 3 days could make or break my bankroll, since I'm playing cash games underrolled here.

But once I know where I'm at, I'll decide which route to go down: perhaps continue with the 1/3 NL live grind, perhaps go back to the apps, perhaps look for a loan/stake, or perhaps look for a job. It all depends.

It's only been recommended to him like a million times but the first occurrence probably came way back in May of 2018:



I'm not sure how OP is going to vlog when he is unwilling to even take a photo in the casino but perhaps this vlog which he was a part of 2 years ago could serve as inspiration:

We are 3 days away from the 4 years anniversary of 6bet starting his PGC journey. (2/8/2018)

Note: That's not counting his old 2016 PGC thread where he aimed to beat 100NL online and 1000NL live by the year 2018.

FYI Crown Casino where 6bet plays actively ban people filming on premises.

I worked as a videography/photography contractor there and you need to jump through hoops to get permission as a business.

6 has mentioned previously that someone was banned after the fact when that person published their own video blog of their Crown session

It would need to be done with no table action


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This isn’t kicking you when you’re down. It’s watching a car crash unfold, and we’re telling you to take the Ford, not the Ferrari because you’re drunk and ill equipped to handle it, racing the big boys.

You wouldn’t be in this position if you stayed in Melbourne, and taken the grind your 10k bankroll up at 1/3 like I & many others said.

All this said, it’s been an entertaining thread and you make good decisions from time to time, just not enough to mitigate the hubris filled, addiction motivated or pleasure seeking decisions you regularly decide to make.

You’re a good bloke in need of a perspective change. You may feel you’re disciplined but you aren’t. Selling a ticket as you’re underrolled is motivated by desperation, not discipline.

Saying no to a Brisvegas trip isn’t disciplined, it’s common sense for a professional. I think you made this choice with hedonism in mind & probably went with the flow of your mates who have larger bankrolls and/or poker skill. Who knows.

All in all, I feel you’re motivated to be a winning poker player, but not a professional one as you regularly treat this as a source of fun and pleasure, rather than a craft which requires more sacrifice than taking losses & spending large amounts of time chasing action.

If you do decide to get a job, it’ll be the best decision you’ve made in this thread.

If you get another 10k loan with vig, it’ll be the dumbest decision yet. You’ve been warned.


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Yeah don't get a loan unless it will somehow be considered a gift if you lose it!

Simple Ricks example is kind of weird, because it only involves two people whereas in an actual tourney you are dealing with a whole lot more (this is a pretty big difference). It is smart to oversimplify a problem to figure out its workings, but sometimes it can fundamentally change what you are working with to begin with. It got me thinking about super knockout bounty tournaments which I'm a complete noob with, but was still interested in the discussion. I was struggling to try and conceptualize how it all worked out. I think the bare bones of it all is the money is the root with bounty and chips being the other factors. In a tournament it is more pragmatic to think in terms of chips than actual money so we convert the bounty value to tourney chips rather than money. In essence though, I think: ICM + BCM (bounty chip model) = Money where ICM and BCM are not so intuitively easy to figure out, but they should add up to prize pool / number of players if the game is symmetrical in terms of equal stacks. Just to be clear, BCM accounts for the value of future bounties we may receive given a certain stack depth.

If you enter a bounty tourney $50 + $50 (ignoring rake for simplicity) with only two players with 1000 starting stacks you get:

Buy In>>>
player1: $50 + $50
player2: $50 + $50
Prize: $100
Bounty: $100

Value>>>
player1: 1000 * $0.05 + 1000 * $0.05 = $100
player2: 1000 * $0.05 + 1000 * $0.05 = $100
Total chips: 2000

When a bounty has only two players, the prize pool of the bounty functions exactly the same as a heads up match since you get all the money when you win and get nothing when you lose. Using this logic we can do 100 / 2000 to get $0.05 for ICM value and the same to get $0.05 for BCM. Calling an all-in will require more than 50% equity in order to be +EV.


If we do the same thing with a third player assuming winner takes all for ICM simplicity:

Buy In>>>
player1: $50 + $50
player2: $50 + $50
player3: $50 + $50
Prize: $150
Bounty: $150

Value>>>
player1: 1000 * ICM + 1000 * BCM = $100
player2: 1000 * ICM + 1000 * BCM = $100
player3: 1000 * ICM + 1000 * BCM = $100
Total: 3000

For three players the same rules don't apply, so ICM and BCM values are harder to figure out. You can figure out the equity needed for an all-in jam though, because we know what the stacks will look like with two players and the corresponding values of their chips. If player 1 calls player 3's all-in jam and wins the stacks will look as follows:

Value>>>
Player1: 2000 * $0.05 + 2000 * $0.03~ = $166.66
Player2: 1000 * $0.05 + 1000 * $0.03~ = $83.33

Since $50 has been taken out of the bounty prize pool we do 100 / 3000 to calculate BCM per chip. When player 1 faces player 3's all-in he has the option of turning his $100 stack into a $166.66 stack on top of getting an immediate $50 bounty. So he is essentially needing more than $100 / ($166.66 + $50) = 46.15% equity to make an all-in call.

I was going to try this with 4 players to see how the equity needed to call an all-in would change, but another variable comes into play that I'm not sure how to deal with. With a larger stack size your BCM value should increase. Interestingly this is the opposite of how ICM works. I believe the equity needed to call an all-in first hand in a symmetrical game will continually decline the more players you add at a decreasing rate until you approach a certain number without ever actually getting to that number. Intuitively, that is what I figure, but it could be wrong. I suppose the end number may be 33%, but I'm not convinced that our intuition can be correct if we assume the starting stack is equal to getting a bounty.

It seems like the bounty should be half of a starting stack which would be 40% equity and not 33%. If you could give up a certain percentage of your starting stack to immediately get half your buy-in back it would be half of your chips, not all of them. Maybe not even that much since your BCM would drop, since you are now lower than the average starting stack. The top pages on Google say that 50:50 bounty is equal to starting stack though, so I've probably screwed up somewhere in my thinking.

I wonder what a tournament with nothing, but bounties and no placement would look like. Perhaps figuring out this, would shed some insight into strategies about these knockout games. With the logic of 50:50 bounty being worth a full stack, would 0:100 bounty be worth an infinite stack?

I have a hunch that BCM could be calculated by taking the square root of the number of players and multiplying it by the bounty buy-in cost somehow since the average tournament winner should roughly knock out the square root of the number of entrants.

tl;dr: Knockout tournaments seem pretty complicated.

As far as the 66 hand. I think fold on the flop is good, because multiway and betting 5/6ish pot is pretty expensive. Turn is a call. At river: check/fold > check/call > bet/fold > bet/call imo.

I swear this whale has more lives than a cat.

lol @ OG TUFF still wasting bandwidth advising this muppet.

Repping Ace King

2/5 NL, 8-handed, $205 eff (everyone covers me)

4 limpers
Hero raises $35 SB with JJ
BB calls $35
UTG calls $35
BTN calls $35

Flop ($135, 4ways) T84r

Hero bets $35
BB folds
UTG folds
BTN calls $35

Turn ($205, HU) T842

Hero checks (I like to be a little sneaky here and there :P )
BTN jams $135 eff
Hero snap calls $135 all-in

I think you should absolutely ask for a loan or stake regardless of your bankroll. Maybe you'll handle someone else's money better (provided they say no pit games and have careful guidelines) than your own since you have such upstanding ethics.

Jimmy show us some credentials that prove your a winning player? Super skeptical now that you are swerving playing OP

Do you have a sharkscope that can prove it? For example you can search my name on scope

It's pretty clear Mr. Busto's not a winning player. I don't think he's ever even claimed he is. It's just variance though. You wouldn't understand.