Two sessions back this week and two contrasting results. On Tuesday I dropped $700 which wasn't much fun at all. Put in a decent session at the table, around 7 hours, but boy was I card dead for the most part. Early I had some hands, hands that sent me broke, one really shouldn't have and after I knew I made a big mistake here. Will go through the hands below in case anyone would like to offer their thoughts:

$2/$3 Full ring NL Holdem

Hero MP1 ($400) K K
V BB ($350) - Complete unknown, american, mid 20's.

Limps to Hero who makes it $17 and gets 4 callers.

Flop 10105 (pot $80)

Checks to Hero who bets $25, V1 only caller to turn.

Turn 8 (pot $130)

V checks to Hero, Hero bets $40, V calls.

River 3 (pot $210)

V checks, Hero bets $65, V jams all in for it was around $180 more, Hero calls, V shows 910

All in all, I don't feel like I played this badly, until I called the check jam on the river. I thought about all the streets and as always am totally open minded to be told different, but the only thing I had discussed with a friend I might have changed was the value bet on the river. However when he check calls two streets and checks again I think he has a PP himself, the jam though on the river should have let me get away. I think I can still get value from some other PP on the river when he checks to me and its a leak to not value bet the river here, thoughts anyone??

Next hand was against the same villain, had more reads by this stage after playing for a few hours together. He has little to no idea what he is doing. Watched him jam it in on river with 62 on K55k4 board after clear action on all streets that someone had a K or 5. He then rolled his hand over and said "I have a flush" as if it was good.

Hero MP2 ($250) K Q
V1 UTG ($700)

Limps to Hero who raises to $17, 5 players to the flop.

Flop KQJ (pot $90)

V1 Donk leads $40, folds to Hero, with one person to act after Hero, Hero raises to $90, V1 looks at hands again and pushes all in for $160 more, Hero makes the call.

Turn x, River x.

V1 shows 109

Can I get away from this in anyway, any advice on the three streets here will be looked at with an open mind.

After that tough day, got back in the groove with an $880 winning night last night over 6.5 hours of play. Started to get some cards, had my hands I needed to hold up and some things went my way. Was great to claw back what I lost the night before +180.



Cheers Mac

notI play at Tres pretty often as well. I presume you're playing 2/4 now because I didn't think the 1/3 ran very often... I don't go as much as the regs but I know for a fact a lot of the regs there are absolutely atrocious. EZ game. Will be following.

Yeah mate, you got it, some of these sessions have been down the Gold Coast too thought which is a 2/3 game. Thanks for following

Wow, what a game last night was. I was supposed to run the stairs for boxing training this morning with the crew but I could not leave this game as a professional. Games like this DO NOT come around that often that I really had to stay. We ended up with "Kevin" on the table, a businessman from Sydney who loves to drink just as much as he loves to gamble. Kevin managed to get this Indian guy Ash for about 3 BI and had him steaming which was awesome. He got him from jamming all in blind for $300, one was awesome, board K55xx, Ash had AK, Kevin turned over 95o hahahahaha.

Anyway, Kevin has $1100 in front of him, he is drunk out of his mind and continuing to drink, I'm immediately to his left, he holds back from entering into a pot with me a few times I 3bet him pre and he folds, but now he is just jamming every hand for $1100 blind, finally I get QQ and it's on! I'm all in for $900, then Ash calls behind for $400 with AKcc. Kevin turns over 74o

Come on, fade the ****ing A & K one time for a $2,200 scoop pllleeeeaassseee!!!!!!!!

3rd Brisbanite checking in!

GLGL!

Did have a hand from last night I'm really keen to get some extra eyes to look over and some thoughts shared. I have another buddy who was on the table that I chat through these hands with and we were split, I liked it, he didn't haha so be good to know what everyone else thinks.

2/3 10 handed, $300 cap game.

Hero (Button) - Late 20s, FT player, in hoodie, seen in the room a lot, known winner at this level ($600 stack)

V1 (EP) - 60+ y.o female, mostly thinking about her own hand and not others ranges. But like most 1 level thinkers, able to identify scary boards for her hand. Not a lot of reads, but told she can be a little sticky. Generalised her to be one that will get scared against big raises etc and had already bluffed her with some double barrels on scare cards earlier in the session.

5 limpers to Hero with 95, hero raises standard raise to $17, 3 callers to flop.

(Pot $73) Flop: 966

V1 donk leads $10, others fold, hero raises to $45, V1 calls.

(Pot $163) Turn: 5

V1 donk leads $20, Hero calls.

(Pot $203) River: 8

V1 bets $20, Hero raises to $165.

Thoughts on all streets please, mostly interested on my option to turn hand into bluff on river.

Cheers Mac

Nice! Welcome!

5 limpers to Hero with 95, hero raises standard raise to $17, 3 callers to flop.
I know Treasury can be juicy but I'm folding here; no need to balance your range at these stakes :\

(Pot $73) Flop: 966
I gave the woman a VPIP of 50% and so you have 66% equity on the flop against her.

V1 donk leads $10, others fold, hero raises to $45, V1 calls.
Against hands that a "typical" player would call with here, you have 38% equity...

(Pot $163) Turn: 5
V1 donk leads $20, Hero calls.
I took out some more hands from her donking range here (some estimations) and you are ~11% equity...

(Pot $203) River: 8

V1 bets $20, Hero raises to $165.
~3.5% equity now. Not looking good. Judging by her donk bets, why would she fold to a bluff on the river? You've been doing her work for her the whole hand

I'm guessing she had either;
2 diamonds
7x
6x
Over pair
?

Just limp in with the 95cc. No one folds at Treasury. No one. I've resorted to raising hands like AKo to $30 pre to get some ****ing respect, still get 3 callers. -_-

great thread, GL! ..

Wtf, are you serious?

Yeah, that's why I kinda don't like playing there. Like so much money to be made but unless you run like god and can hit flops, it's pretty rough. I get so tilted seeing so few hands per hour.

Dude the variance is high I think you should follow this thread too.. he has a roll like yours but is grinding 1/2nl live FL but still wishing you luck!!!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...we-go-1480060/

EDIT: lol my bad ur doing pretty good cheers! keep it going!

why do you need to play 95s i don't understand. you can't outplay people 4 way with a **** hand, push equity advantages live like the blinds are tiny compared to the action people give live no need to play bad cards like you are playing 3 handed online

It's a fair point for sure and I'm totally open to being told I shouldn't do something as long as someone can make a good point why not to. In answer to your question though, I do this for a couple of reasons I guess:

1. I like to be known as a "bluffer/guy that plays any two"
2. When I see weak players limp I try and take the pot there if I'm in position

Unpacking those two points a little further might help to see my line of thinking.

I'm not a bluff machine and for the most part I play really strong cards in strong positions. But when I do play these cards I generally make sure they are tabled face up and use it as a form of "advertising" I guess.

I'm confident that even if I get a few callers and get the right kind of flop I can c-bet bluff and barrel turn and river if needed and board runs out how I want it to and I'm sure the player has a capped range.

Cheers Mac

Interesting man, is there software you can point me at that you punched in these hands and it gave you the equity across that range? Very cool tool to work with.



Cheers Mac

I mean its not horrendous obviously, but you know that if you try to iso with a hand and get called 3 its "confirmation" that the table doesn't think or care that you may be a nit. Also you have to think in terms of ranges for thinking about plays, if you are isoing 95s in this spot, you have to also iso raise 96s+ for your range to make sense here, theres just enough hands with better hu and multiway equity you could use to cultivate image that is not 95s.

Theres also better situations where theres a single limper whos loose/straightforward and your blinds are tight enough that you can iso them and show.

Point taken, can you give me some examples of hands that you think are better? Suited one gappers?

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I think in the first situation where you are unlikely to get it HU I would only raise with equity advantage or very good playability, 78s+. I would reserve the suited gappers for better situations. You have more live experience than me but from what I see people don't differentiate spots clearly, I can make really loose raises in very good situations and people will extrapolate that and call my huge ep opens with trash

Glad you asked
I use FlopZilla, here's a snapshot of how I came up with some values for your hand;

(1) I estimated her range as 50%, but I didn't actually know that. So I drag the range bar (bottom left corner) to 50. I then select your hand in the right column, which then tells me the equity of your hand against her range after the flop comes (62%, see "equity hand" bottom right).



(2) I then take out hands she's not sticking around with, this is just logical, but any info you had on her could be used here; does she bluff every hand? If so it could be any 2 cards. I took out silly hands, you do this by clicking on the hands in the left-hand chart to toggle them off.



(3) Then on the turn, I took more hands out of her range, say missed flush draws and weaker hands.



And you can see your equity hand value changes each time, for the worse, which makes sense seeing as she'd be probably folding weaker hands as she went along.


I accidentally used the wrong flop for pics 1 and 2, meant to be 5 of not , but in my original analysis it was correct, and either way, you're far behind, and you get my point about how to use the program.

Flopzilla is $35 to buy and so worth it.

Question about live play:

I used to play at the Tres as well, but people on 2+2 would always harp on about how the 10% rake was unbeatable, so I quit. But you seem to be killing it?
After doing some research I've come to the conclusion that 10% rake only means you are minus 10% of whatever winrate you have, correct?
If you are a 5BB/100 hand player, with 10% rake it becomes 4.5BB/100? No?

no rake is not a set amount, it depends on how many hands you are in and how many pots you win (the guy who calls everything preflop and c/f everything on the flop effectively pays 0 rake ducy?). But it is not a % of your winrate, the higher your winrate the lower % rake becomes, which is why 10% rake on a site like pokerstars would be straight up unbeatable but is not close to difficult to beat live.

Understandable. Maybe if I have less limpers or no limpers and can get it down to HU might be a better option to put in a raise OTB then. I always raise $17 as not to give any sizing tell (i.e. $25 with premium but $17 only with mid range hands). Because of that upping the size of the raise isn't an option for me and you are right, $17 with 5 limpers means not likely to get HU.

As I right that I do believe at this game I could still play exploitable and they wouldn't necessarily notice the sizing difference, I plan on playing bigger games soon and have been working on basic exploitable things I may be doing though and sizing is certainly one that good players pick up on. I know I see it a lot and 3bet bluff so many guys when they raise $11 as they always raise $25 when they have premium haha

Epic, I have heard of this flopzilla before, hugely used online tool I believe. BB answered the question about the rake below. I have no problem as do any of the other winning players in the room to beat the rake mate. I'm sure there are many that can not, but that says more about them than it does the rake.

Cheers Mac

I am glad to hear it!

Strongly considering rolling myself for 2/3 live again...

That's not to say I don't despise paying $20k + a year to play mind you haha

When you say "spend" do you mean put aside, or you have actually lost 20k so far?

I mean that's what I pay in rake per year on average...

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